OT: Tip culture

mildone_rivals

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A tip from the Hat:

No matter what side of the Tipping fence you're on, there's always something you can find to complain about
No complaints here. I tip what I'm told is pretty generously just about everywhere and I'm happy to do so. I don't care what anybody else does, or what anybody thinks I should or shouldn't do.

So as I see it, I have nothing to complain about.

I sometimes mess w/some of my friends over tips. I usually tip $10 at the coffee shop when ordering a $3 cup of coffee. And then I, periodically, point at my soccer buddies who are there in line with me, and loudly accuse them of being poor tippers, to varying effect. Just to guilt them into tipping more than the usual $1 or $2 bucks they leave. And for the laughs. So I suppose they have reason to complain. 😃
 
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fischy5000

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was at a restaurant in Jax beach for bowl game (3 adults/2 kids). They added 18% automatically (im wondering if its similar to the 'out of town/tourist' comment from earlier in the thread).
On one hand they screwed themselves because we generally do 20% of total bill regardless even if bad. However on the flip side, this server was so bad they prob added in the auto-tip just to be safe. (issues like bringing out the food and realizing one meal was never submitted, needing to be asked to bring out silverware and bringing 3 forks and no knives/spoons for a group of 5 people, bringing the wrong drinks for refills plus other things...)

So i get that tipping is a big part of servers pay but it shouldnt have to be that they automatically should expect to get a certain amt regardless of the service provided.
 

Jtung230

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What gets me is the 4% credit card fee. If a restaurant makes me pay 4% then that comes out of the tip. 16% to the server- 4% to the credit card company. Sorry but it is what it is.
I get your point but it’s not the server’s fault. I would bring cash or just avoid the place. Punishing the server doesn’t feel right. Just my opinion.
 

goru1869

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Is it me or is this getting out of hand?

i always tip well. Takeout at a restaurant, delivery, at a restaurant?

but why is it asking for 18% at Newark airport when they’re literally just dropping off my order? Also, at the bowl game, I was asked to tip on everything.
Ignore it as I do, if you don't think it is right.
 

Knight Shift

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I heard there's an additional 10% best bartender on the Jersey Coast surcharge.

Yes, and one day I'll steal that title from you!

Is this you two guys behind the bar together?

 

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yesrutgers01

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I have. But if I order a beer at the airport, never greeted, never asked a question, just delivered my beer, why am I paying 18%? That’s not a bartender
I guess with myself…when it comes to bartenders…if I’m getting a drink and paying cash- I drop either $1 or $2 depending on the difficulty of the drink. For a beer or a pour over rocks- That is more than fair.
 

RU_DIO

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Is this you two guys behind the bar together?

I hated doing flare but some of my bartenders were awesome at it.

At night clubs we didn't do it but at the sports bars we did. ****, at Birch Hill it was a beer and a shot.
 

bac2therac

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Tricky one. I had my hair done yesterday and two different stylist worked(one is the owner) on me. My total was 110 and I gave them 15 each. Not sure if that was right or wrong. Nail salon is another one…it’s always a pedicure girl and then the nail tech(owner) I have to tip both. It’s annoying, but I’m making the choice to go.


i used to go to a place in Manville to get my haircut, bunch of spanish girls in tight jeans, the one Carmen who do a great job and they get the back of your neck read good with the razor, Cost $20 before covid, bumped it up to $25, only in the chair maybe 10-12 minutes, but I give her $35

now have to go a barber shop in Hillsborough, literally in the chair for 7 minutes, get charged $23 and pay $30,

women have it rougher geez
 
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RUckusbuck

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What do you normally tip on a haircut? Cost is $25-$30 for about 20 mins. I usually leave $5-$7 but is that too low?
I used to pay $30 for a haircut and used to tip $5. Now the cut is $35, I tipped $0.
I assumed the tip was added in.....lol
 

Shelby65

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other day at an empty Buffalo Wild Wings my 15 wing order took 45 minutes to be served.

I was annoyed and didn’t leave the recommended tip.

Was I wrong ? I hear a lot about covid staffing shortage but that didn’t seem to be the case here. To me lousy service should matter to the tip Covid or not.
 

Phi_1055

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other day at an empty Buffalo Wild Wings my 15 wing order took 45 minutes to be served.

I was annoyed and didn’t leave the recommended tip.

Was I wrong ? I hear a lot about covid staffing shortage but that didn’t seem to be the case here. To me lousy service should matter to the tip Covid or not.
You weren’t wrong

You don’t know whether the server forgot to place or pick up your order or if the kitchen messed up. If the kitchen is the problem the server can take it up with them or the manager. I worked in enough restaurants to know that the servers almost always blame the kitchen, even when it is themselves who made a mistake.

There will be people who say to leave a regular tip because it probably wasn’t the server’s fault.
As for me I overtip the server when the overall experience is good, even though a lot of the credit should go to the kitchen staff. And when the overall experience isn‘t up to par I’ll take about 5% off my usual amount.
 

RUevolution36

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other day at an empty Buffalo Wild Wings my 15 wing order took 45 minutes to be served.

I was annoyed and didn’t leave the recommended tip.

Was I wrong ? I hear a lot about covid staffing shortage but that didn’t seem to be the case here. To me lousy service should matter to the tip Covid or not.
I wouldn't go back to that BWW if I were you. Servers remember when they get f'ed by a customer. And will have very few qualms about messing with your food if you come back. Even if they're not your server. They'll tell whoever is serving you about what happened and will take care of each other. Not hypothetical from my experience. Worked at multiple restaurants and had friends who worked at others. This was basically the code at the time. Back of the house was complicit as well.
 

MADHAT1

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Eventually tips might be phased out if the servers wages of $2.13 an hour for servers can't brinh in enough waiters and waitresses to handle the traffic .
Then you'll see states refular minimum wage given servers and a service charge for tipping with every order.

More and more people are complaining about tips and a lot of servers are getting less tips then before because of help problems slowing service to customers because of not enough servers to handle the traffic.
Those making $2.13 rely on tips to make a decent pay and a lot of them don't have company health insurance and gave to buy it with their own dime
As for retirement, how much Social Security money can be had at $2.13 an hour
Company 401K unlikely and pension plan, probably invisible for servers in most places we eat.

The restaurant industry is changing and the low pay is attracting less and less workers to most places.
Some will raise the wags up from the servers minimum wage of $2.13 a, hour to a higher rate and service fee to customers so server earns tip.
Others will pay the $2.13 and add a service charge to customers bill to be added to weeks wages .
That will help the server make a better wage not relying on customers generosity for tips to supplement low wage, but the downside is now that tip money ( if cash) . can't be hid from being taxed.

Get used to service charges added to bll, it's going to be part of the futures dining out experience
 
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RUevolution36

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Eventually tips might be phased out if the servers wages of $2.13 an hour for servers can't brinh in enough waiters and waitresses to handle the traffic .
Then you'll see states refular minimum wage given servers and a service charge for tipping with every order.

More and more people are complaining about tips and a lot of servers are getting less tips then before because of help problems slowing service to customers because of not enough servers to handle the traffic.
Those making $2.13 rely on tips to make a decent pay and a lot of them don't have company health insurance and gave to buy it with their own dime
As for retirement, how much Social Security money can be had at $2.13 an hour
Company 401K unlikely and pension plan, probably invisible for servers in most places we eat.

The restaurant industry is changing and the low pay is attracting less and less workers to most places.
Some will raise the wags up from the servers minimum wage of $2.13 a, hour to a higher rate and service fee to customers so server earns tip.
Others will pay the $2.13 and add a service charge to customers bill to be added to weeks wages .
That will help the server make a better wage not relying on customers generosity for tips to supplement low wage, but the downside is now that tip money ( if cash) . can't be hid from being taxed.

Get used to service charges added to bll, it's going to be part of the futures dining out experience
I think NJ just raised the minimum wage to over $5/hr. But your point still stands. Unless you're working at a high end place that turns a lot of tables or serves a lot of drinks, it's a real grind for not much money. If a 2 top has an avg bill of $80, and you get a $16 tip, you probably walk away with $8-10 after tipping out the bussers and bartender. Need to turn 10 of those to go home with $100 in your pocket.
 
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willisneverrana43

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There could be a legitimate discussion about revamping the way that certain service jobs are paid in the US, which is different from most other places.

But, setting aside changing the system, a discussion about whether or how much to tip servers generally comes down to who’s cheap or just angry and who’s not.
 

RU_DIO

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I think NJ just raised the minimum wage to over $5/hr. But your point still stands. Unless you're working at a high end place that turns a lot of tables or serves a lot of drinks, it's a real grind for not much money. If a 2 top has an avg bill of $80, and you get a $16 tip, you probably walk away with $8-10 after tipping out the bussers and bartender. Need to turn 10 of those to go home with $100 in your pocket.
Believe me, if you work in the right place, you are making money. I only do it part time now but but I have made $20 in a shift and have made $800 in a shift. I have a few friends that would make $600 - $1000 a shift consistently.
 
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I think when there discussion about which businesses would need to comply with the escalated minimum wage requirements, many restaurants and bars sought to remain excluded because their workers on average tend to make more than the minimum wage when adding their tips. Now they would probably like both, but if the word got out that they were all getting the minimum wage and people started adjusting their tipping behavior downward, they would not be happy.

I am with the poster who earlier questioned why is it my responsibility as a patron to pay for the wait staff? Isn't that part of going out to eat? While I have come to accept it, I also believe things have gotten way out of hand with regard to situations where gratuity appears to be expected.
 

RUevolution36

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Believe me, if you work in the right place, you are making money. I only do it part time now but but I have made $20 in a shift and have made $800 in a shift. I have a few friends that would make $600 - $1000 a shift consistently.
Oh definitely. But the variability between places, or even which shifts you pick up, is killer when you've got bills to pay. There were times at the nice steakhouse I worked at where I made $30 a night, and then the next night I worked, I made $250 because a group of golfers came in and went hard on the booze.
 

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In many parts of Europe, tipping has mostly disappeared. If you pay by credit card, there is no way to add a tip to your bill, and since there is no change with a credit card, no tip to leave on the table. In Europe, as in America, most people pay for their restaurant bills by credit card, but instead of taking your credit card away, they bring a small machine to your table and you swipe or tap right there. There are no options on the machines to add tip and you are never asked. This is based on my observations in Netherlands and France, other places could be different.

In bars people still often pay with cash, but tipping is still very unusual and just leaving some extra change.
Was in Belgium last fall. Heard about not being able to tip using a card. So when I hit the ATM upon landing to have cash on hand, I took out extra for tipping. It was exactly as you said. Most didn't give the opportunity to tip when paying with a card. One bartender asked me where in the United States do I live after giving a cash tip lol. They like Americans in restaurants there!! We seem to be the last people who tip over there . At a bottle shop in Bruges I tried to tip after a few brews with some help from the guy there. He was very thankful but refused to accept the tip. He said just tell people about this place. He said that is the best tip for them. So if you love bier and visit Bruges go Bierpaleis on Katelinestraat, 25.
 
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Oh definitely. But the variability between places, or even which shifts you pick up, is killer when you've got bills to pay. There were times at the nice steakhouse I worked at where I made $30 a night, and then the next night I worked, I made $250 because a group of golfers came in and went hard on the booze.
I worked at a car wash way back at $2.35/hour. A $30 day came around only once/year- Christmas Eve. Me and this guy Bruce who played guitar and sang worked at the same place- where all it ever did was rain - we felt like riders on a downbound train. 😉 (the tip part was true at least- $10-20 bucks was a good day. )
 

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I hated doing flare but some of my bartenders were awesome at it.

At night clubs we didn't do it but at the sports bars we did. ****, at Birch Hill it was a beer and a shot.
Never did that bottle stuff. If you did it and broke one you were in deep dodo. Flipping the shakers sure but only if I was bored and wanted to entertain myself.
 

knightfan7

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Oh definitely. But the variability between places, or even which shifts you pick up, is killer when you've got bills to pay. There were times at the nice steakhouse I worked at where I made $30 a night, and then the next night I worked, I made $250 because a group of golfers came in and went hard on the booze.
Once I retired from the 9-5 world I'd work 1 or 2 crappy shifts during the week no one else wanted. In return they gave me the Fri and Sat night shifts. There were times I'd work 4 shifts on a weekend. Good $ but................
 

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I wouldn't go back to that BWW if I were you. Servers remember when they get f'ed by a customer. And will have very few qualms about messing with your food if you come back. Even if they're not your server. They'll tell whoever is serving you about what happened and will take care of each other. Not hypothetical from my experience. Worked at multiple restaurants and had friends who worked at others. This was basically the code at the time. Back of the house was complicit as well.

And if the server ignored the fact that it took 45 minutes to deliver a 15 wing order it's just another reason not to go back. When I get great service I leave more than the "recommended" tip. "Great" equates to 25% in my book. When I get crappy service I'll leave something, but definitely reduce it.
 

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I have a question for the board....What do you think would happen if a restaurant advertised "We pay our wait staff a full wage" or something to that effect? Would they get more business? Would people still tip? I think I would, but maybe slightly less? I really don't know, but I think it would be an interesting experiment.
 

Zak57

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I have a question for the board....What do you think would happen if a restaurant advertised "We pay our wait staff a full wage" or something to that effect? Would they get more business? Would people still tip? I think I would, but maybe slightly less? I really don't know, but I think it would be an interesting experiment.
Danny Meyer and his restaurants in Union Square Hospitality Group were getting rid of tippng and paying their servers more. Covid then hit so I'm not sure how successful that went or even if they're still doing that.
 

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I have a question for the board....What do you think would happen if a restaurant advertised "We pay our wait staff a full wage" or something to that effect? Would they get more business? Would people still tip? I think I would, but maybe slightly less? I really don't know, but I think it would be an interesting experiment.
There are restaurants out there that have started doing that as an experiment and telling customers on the menu and signage that they do not accept tips - they are paying their staff a living wage. Their prices went up, for obvious reasons.


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"Before the pandemic, some restaurant owners were experimenting with no-tipping approaches, like adding gratuity surcharges to their bills, and others, including Danny Meyer’s Union Square Hospitality Group starting in 2015, raised wagesby raising menu prices. The models were easier to try for higher-end restaurants, whose customers weren’t put off by higher prices and who might even be attracted to establishments that played up their worker-friendly policies, according to Michael Lynn, who studies consumer behavior and tipping.
Dozens of other restaurants moved to eliminate tips around the same time as Mr. Meyer did. But in the ensuing years, some began to quietly reverse, finding that it was difficult to compete against neighboring restaurants with lower prices and tough to recruit talented staff who could make more money going elsewhere.
“The numbers don’t lie,” said David Stockwell, owner of the Italian bistro Faun in Brooklyn, which opened tip-free in 2016 and then reintroduced tipping in 2018. “We thought it was the rare instance when a good business decision lined up with a good ethical decision. But we realized all the problems that came with the model started rearing their heads in our business.”

In July, Mr. Meyer said he was reinstating tips at all his Union Square Hospitality Group businesses because he couldn’t deny his workers extra cash in a time of crisis. He added, though, that he was still committed to the eventual elimination of tipping.
Some restaurant owners, pointing to Mr. Meyer’s example, say the pandemic has introduced new obstacles into the no-tipping movement’s path. But others say this moment presents an opportunity to rethink old industry practices.
“Demand is dead right now anyway,” said Mr. Lynn, a professor of consumer behavior at Cornell. “If you’re going to rebuild, let’s rebuild on a sounder model.”"


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"A national analysis of payments made through the app Square, by Mr. Lynn, showed that the average customer is tipping 1 to 2 percent less on dine-in orders than they did pre-pandemic — but with overall demand for dine-in services down substantially, it’s likely that workers are taking less money home in tips per shift, he said."
 

RUevolution36

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There are restaurants out there that have started doing that as an experiment and telling customers on the menu and signage that they do not accept tips - they are paying their staff a living wage. Their prices went up, for obvious reasons.


Relevant excerpts:

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"Before the pandemic, some restaurant owners were experimenting with no-tipping approaches, like adding gratuity surcharges to their bills, and others, including Danny Meyer’s Union Square Hospitality Group starting in 2015, raised wagesby raising menu prices. The models were easier to try for higher-end restaurants, whose customers weren’t put off by higher prices and who might even be attracted to establishments that played up their worker-friendly policies, according to Michael Lynn, who studies consumer behavior and tipping.
Dozens of other restaurants moved to eliminate tips around the same time as Mr. Meyer did. But in the ensuing years, some began to quietly reverse, finding that it was difficult to compete against neighboring restaurants with lower prices and tough to recruit talented staff who could make more money going elsewhere.
“The numbers don’t lie,” said David Stockwell, owner of the Italian bistro Faun in Brooklyn, which opened tip-free in 2016 and then reintroduced tipping in 2018. “We thought it was the rare instance when a good business decision lined up with a good ethical decision. But we realized all the problems that came with the model started rearing their heads in our business.”

In July, Mr. Meyer said he was reinstating tips at all his Union Square Hospitality Group businesses because he couldn’t deny his workers extra cash in a time of crisis. He added, though, that he was still committed to the eventual elimination of tipping.
Some restaurant owners, pointing to Mr. Meyer’s example, say the pandemic has introduced new obstacles into the no-tipping movement’s path. But others say this moment presents an opportunity to rethink old industry practices.
“Demand is dead right now anyway,” said Mr. Lynn, a professor of consumer behavior at Cornell. “If you’re going to rebuild, let’s rebuild on a sounder model.”"


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"A national analysis of payments made through the app Square, by Mr. Lynn, showed that the average customer is tipping 1 to 2 percent less on dine-in orders than they did pre-pandemic — but with overall demand for dine-in services down substantially, it’s likely that workers are taking less money home in tips per shift, he said."
I find this interesting, as ppl will look at a restaurant menu and see an entree, for, let's say $20. But, if another restaurant charged $24, but no tips for the same entree, ppl will still look at it as more expensive and wonder why they would pay more for the same dish, when in fact, the price would come out to be the same. the behavioral psychology behind this is fascinating.