Non-zero chance sports leagues will be shutting down again at least temporarily IMHO.
Im starting to think the season is in Jeopardy
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Shut down? No. Masks and/or vaccine card? Maybe. My family has had all their shots and boosters; even my seven year old has had his shots (no booster available yet).
Huh? Why would there be more restrictions..and only about 10-15% of 5-11 year olds are vaxxed so good luck with mandates
Are most colleges besides the insane Ivies even testing their athletes
Are most colleges besides the insane Ivies even testing their athletes
I don't think we are at that point yet but I was shocked to see tonight's Chicago Bulls-Detroit Pistons game marked as "Postponed" online.
I didn't think they were going to postpone any games and just make teams deal with it.
Side note - Nets with the gritty win tonight depsite numerous guys out because of COVID.
Depends on the level of panic. Given that there is good protection, still, from vaccines and especially for those boosted (which will be "fully vaccinated" shortly), I kind of doubt we'll see mass cancellations/lockdowns again. I do think we'll have quite a few postponements of games due to COVID (as vaccinated, but not boosted athletes get very mild COVID from omicron or delta - will probably be over for teams in a month, is my guess, as immunity from vaccination + infection is off the charts high) and the return of stricter mitigations (more indoor mask mandates, for example) - and hopefully omicron will prompt the horribly misinformed vaccination holdouts to finally get vaccinated: 800K COVID deaths, with 780K of them unvaccinated.
Below is the omicron update I just posted on FB and TOS, in case anyone is interested, before the thread gets locked down. Thought the one on the football board the other day was going ok. I still don't get why they won't allow a COVID thread and simply moderate it to remove the silliness. I imagine 70% of the board would still like having a COVID science thread (based on tons of positive feedback I got and continue to get). Would be interesting to post a poll on this, but even that would likely be squelched.
Preliminary indications from South Africa confirms that omicron is more transmissible than even delta (2-3X more and delta was 2-3X more transmissible than the original SARS-CoV-2), as we're seeing around the world with huge case spikes, which we're about to see in the US, too, where some think we could see 500K-1MM cases per day (vs. a peak last winter around 300K cases/day), based on comparisons to rates in other countries like SA and the UK, which are ahead of us. Short of getting everyone boosted overnight, the only way to slow this case surge down is distancing and wearing masks during high risk activities (especially indoors).
https://erictopol.substack.com/.../omicron-is-getting...
However, it appears that omicron may be a bit less severe, based on about half the hospitalizations per case than the previous delta wave in SA, as per the graphic below. On the other hand it's quite possible this isn't inherent to omicron being "weaker" per se, but more a function of more people having some immunity from previous infection and/or vaccines.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../south-africa.../...
Additional data from SA shows that the 2-dose Pfizer vaccine saw protection from hospitalization drop from 93% before omicron to 70% with omicron, which is likely due to a combo of waning immune protection from 2 doses combined with some immune escape of omicron from the vaccines.
https://businesstech.co.za/.../pfizer-vaccine-stops-70.../
The good news on that front is that boosted individuals with 3 doses of Pfizer (or Moderna) have seen their levels of neutralizing antibodies (in their serum) to omicron restored to similar levels seen just after the original 2 doses, so it's hoped that protection against severe COVID will be as good as it once was - hopefully we'll have real world data on protection against severe COVID in boosted individuals soon. And remember, the primary objective of the COVID vaccines is to prevent severe COVID, not to completely prevent COVID infections (that was always a bonus).
Lastly, as I posted a week or so ago, unfortunately, it appears that previous infection with earlier COVID variants, which gave very good immunity from reinfection from those variants, is not providing anywhere near as good a level of protection from reinfection with omicron. This is a major part of why cases are expected to jump much higher in countries/states with fairly high levels of unvaccinated people - the severity of such reinfections is not well known yet.
https://www.medrxiv.org/con.../10.1101/2021.12.12.21267646v1
Things are moving incredibly fast in this space, so I'll try to provide more frequent updates, but for those who want to keep up on their own, two Twitter feeds worth perusing are those of Dr. Eric Topol (Scripps) and Dr. Scott Gottleib (former FDA Commissioner), two of the best medical experts (and communicators) we have; both are linked below.
https://twitter.com/EricTopol
https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD
Below is the omicron update I just posted on FB and TOS, in case anyone is interested, before the thread gets locked down. Thought the one on the football board the other day was going ok. I still don't get why they won't allow a COVID thread and simply moderate it to remove the silliness. I imagine 70% of the board would still like having a COVID science thread (based on tons of positive feedback I got and continue to get). Would be interesting to post a poll on this, but even that would likely be squelched.
Preliminary indications from South Africa confirms that omicron is more transmissible than even delta (2-3X more and delta was 2-3X more transmissible than the original SARS-CoV-2), as we're seeing around the world with huge case spikes, which we're about to see in the US, too, where some think we could see 500K-1MM cases per day (vs. a peak last winter around 300K cases/day), based on comparisons to rates in other countries like SA and the UK, which are ahead of us. Short of getting everyone boosted overnight, the only way to slow this case surge down is distancing and wearing masks during high risk activities (especially indoors).
https://erictopol.substack.com/.../omicron-is-getting...
However, it appears that omicron may be a bit less severe, based on about half the hospitalizations per case than the previous delta wave in SA, as per the graphic below. On the other hand it's quite possible this isn't inherent to omicron being "weaker" per se, but more a function of more people having some immunity from previous infection and/or vaccines.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../south-africa.../...
Additional data from SA shows that the 2-dose Pfizer vaccine saw protection from hospitalization drop from 93% before omicron to 70% with omicron, which is likely due to a combo of waning immune protection from 2 doses combined with some immune escape of omicron from the vaccines.
https://businesstech.co.za/.../pfizer-vaccine-stops-70.../
The good news on that front is that boosted individuals with 3 doses of Pfizer (or Moderna) have seen their levels of neutralizing antibodies (in their serum) to omicron restored to similar levels seen just after the original 2 doses, so it's hoped that protection against severe COVID will be as good as it once was - hopefully we'll have real world data on protection against severe COVID in boosted individuals soon. And remember, the primary objective of the COVID vaccines is to prevent severe COVID, not to completely prevent COVID infections (that was always a bonus).
Lastly, as I posted a week or so ago, unfortunately, it appears that previous infection with earlier COVID variants, which gave very good immunity from reinfection from those variants, is not providing anywhere near as good a level of protection from reinfection with omicron. This is a major part of why cases are expected to jump much higher in countries/states with fairly high levels of unvaccinated people - the severity of such reinfections is not well known yet.
https://www.medrxiv.org/con.../10.1101/2021.12.12.21267646v1
Things are moving incredibly fast in this space, so I'll try to provide more frequent updates, but for those who want to keep up on their own, two Twitter feeds worth perusing are those of Dr. Eric Topol (Scripps) and Dr. Scott Gottleib (former FDA Commissioner), two of the best medical experts (and communicators) we have; both are linked below.
https://twitter.com/EricTopol
https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD
Lol have to just smh at those advocating for mandates and lockdowns and changing the definition of fully waxxed..more masks..lol hey lets just do all the things we did before that didnt stop spread.
Guess what..parents aren't vvaxxing their kids. And people are not getting boosters in large numbers
Guess what..we shouldn't be testing athletes. Guess what we should buying into media fear porn. Guess what most of the country is moving on from this
And once again Numbers feels only his views can be posted here and others who question are wrong
Guess what..parents aren't vvaxxing their kids. And people are not getting boosters in large numbers
Guess what..we shouldn't be testing athletes. Guess what we should buying into media fear porn. Guess what most of the country is moving on from this
And once again Numbers feels only his views can be posted here and others who question are wrong
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Yea most people who aren't vaxxed by now are the people who are like "I don't want the gov't telling me what to do" so mandates aren't going to do anything
From what I'm reading this Omicron might be a good thing. The symptoms are like a mild cold and you get the Covid immunities. Who knows, Omicron might wipe out Covid.
Got my third shot yesterday. No good reason not to, of course.
My best 2 players (Aho and Marchand) on my fantasy hockey team with COVID. Calgary has/had 4 games this week so I picked up 2 players (Coleman and Hanafin) o and yesterday Covid shut Calgary down. I only get 4 adds each week and 2 are wasted. My goalie's game (Minnesota vs. Carolina) is cancelled and now I may have to use 1 of my remaining adds on a goalie.
I am screwed.
I am screwed.
Wow, putting words in my mouth again. You're free to continue posting ridiculous anti-vaxx misinformation, while I'll continue to debunk it with real science. Yes, the definition of fully vaxxed is about to change and it should, given the clear science and the evolution of the virus, as well as the somewhat expected waning of effectiveness of a 2-dose initial vaccine - many to most vaccines for viruses employ a delayed booster to reach full immune response and it's not a surprise that that's the case for COVID.
what anti vaxx information did I post here....typical of you to make crap up...and if you are referring to last week on the football board, that was straight from the pfizer data that was obtained through a FOIA request
good luck with your changing defintion of fully vaccinated because the public isnt going for it, does not matter anyone because boosters efficacy will likely wane in a few months anyhow. The numbers for 5-11 are really low
The best part is you can drone on and on about all your scientific data and predictions and this and that but the bottom line is more and more people are skeptical of the so called experts and their science and their recommendations who dont even seem to be based on science...see masked school children and raising phony fear about children being at great risk of covid. People are tired of being randomly told to do things or they cant do things and then watch those same leaders party up while the servents/common folk and children must be masked. People are not stupid. See its not just about science and now that we have moved further into this your real science posts dont hold up when we have to live with a virus that isnt going away and vaccine which do not stop the spread. We have a media that promotes fear porn. We live in two worlds where people go out and party on the weekend and at sporting events maskless while the tv and news tries to sell new variants wiping us out.
Its been almost a week since the big superspreader event on the RAC court where the majority were maskless...isnt your saying just wait two weeks and look at hospitalizations?
Even Chris Martinson has turned. Man he is nailing it the past few weeks calling out the bull. He talks about MASS PSYCHOSIS about all they want to do is talk about vaccines and boosters while ignoring everything else we can do and also nothing that the vaccines are not turning out to be too hot. Whatever side you are on, this is a great listen, including toward the end a vid with a South African doctor who tells an interviewer that 4 weeks into the Omicron its very mild and everyone vaxxed or not comorbidities or not, are all recovering within 5 days and hospitals are not being overrun
good luck with your changing defintion of fully vaccinated because the public isnt going for it, does not matter anyone because boosters efficacy will likely wane in a few months anyhow. The numbers for 5-11 are really low
The best part is you can drone on and on about all your scientific data and predictions and this and that but the bottom line is more and more people are skeptical of the so called experts and their science and their recommendations who dont even seem to be based on science...see masked school children and raising phony fear about children being at great risk of covid. People are tired of being randomly told to do things or they cant do things and then watch those same leaders party up while the servents/common folk and children must be masked. People are not stupid. See its not just about science and now that we have moved further into this your real science posts dont hold up when we have to live with a virus that isnt going away and vaccine which do not stop the spread. We have a media that promotes fear porn. We live in two worlds where people go out and party on the weekend and at sporting events maskless while the tv and news tries to sell new variants wiping us out.
Its been almost a week since the big superspreader event on the RAC court where the majority were maskless...isnt your saying just wait two weeks and look at hospitalizations?
Even Chris Martinson has turned. Man he is nailing it the past few weeks calling out the bull. He talks about MASS PSYCHOSIS about all they want to do is talk about vaccines and boosters while ignoring everything else we can do and also nothing that the vaccines are not turning out to be too hot. Whatever side you are on, this is a great listen, including toward the end a vid with a South African doctor who tells an interviewer that 4 weeks into the Omicron its very mild and everyone vaxxed or not comorbidities or not, are all recovering within 5 days and hospitals are not being overrun
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Please define “anti-vaxx”
It’s political jargon used by one party, but how do you define it?
its a blanket statement they use to shut you up when you ask any questions and to label you as scourge. I am vaccinated, how can I be anti vaxx, that's weird for him to say
Omg
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