Net Ranking
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Yea it's exepected at this point lol, if we can (not likely) right the ship we should see a more respectable number
A realistic stretch assignment for this team would be an overall .500 record. Honestly, I would give pike a lot of credit if he could get there. I don’t think the players will have much of a desire to fight seeing as where they thought they’d be and how quickly the reality has now set in.
our scheduling philosphy is pure trash and it keeps being repeated here that its good not to schedule tough OOC because we play tough enough schools in the conference slate, posters are wrong.
do you really think that Geo is going to have anything to play for IF he comes back from injury
Pike will need to totally reassess the goals for this season which means playing the younger talent we do have alot of minutes and having them take their lumps
Is it really any better if we're Arizona State and sitting at 3-6 with a top-30 SOS?
If Pike does that, and drags out this season to like 10/11 wins getting wrecked by 16+ most nights not sure how he ever rebounds.
And would probably only increase the continuing likelihood of Cliff leaving after this year. Whether it’s transfer or more likely G league stash imo
then what are the goals, you think trying to play 4 wings helps the development of the program. Jaden and Jalen need to play ALOT...and Pike needs to figure out if Hyatt is worth it at all
yes because in the long run you get better by playing better competition. You only pick up bad habits and foster a negative situation by struggling to beat low lifes. I am just a believer that you toughen up by playing better competition, it might not show up initially and it might not even show up the next season but I see no benefit to playing drek like Pike brings into the RAC every year and more often than not will lose to one of them
ASU has actually played better against better teams even in defeat, none of those losses are embarrassing, whats embarrassing for them is losing to Riverside at home and the pathetic performance vs WSU
that being said they beat Oregon last night
remember last year the Pac 12 was trash during much of the season...UCLA was one of the last teams selected and Oregon State was quite mediocre til an unlikely run in the pac 12 tourney. Now we are actually seeing alot of the Pac 12 going back to struggling yet again...oregon, osu, asu, stanford. Probably looking like a 3 bid perhaps 4 this year.
I'd think the season so far kind of validates the view that the OOC makes sense. On paper the season isn't over.
Like I said originally I think a realistic stretch goal is .500 overall.
You can’t just tank seasons for “player development” in the era of the portal. You have to show competence every year no coach/program should be let off the hook of that bar with an excuse of player development and more importantly recruits don’t want to see it.
Things move much quicker now year to year.
Bac, I mostly agree with you .Pike ‘s philosophy of 20 tough Big 10 games, Seton Hall, ACC/ BIG 10 challenge and Gavitt games or 23 out of 31 tough games is one philosophy but I think you miss out on capitalizing on Rutgers success over the last 2 years. This year and even last year and even next year , Pike should have gotten into one of these holiday tournaments or the Jimmy V or something. Not all those tournaments are filled with top 5 teams. Most are filled by teams 15-60 like us and the 2-3 game tournament settings are something that our team has traditionally under him gotten up for. Plus it is another bonding experience , not as good as the team going to Spain a few years ago , but a chance to play at a neutral site or even at a site with a small amount of fans , 500-1000 each team , and work on things against another quality team. Not against yourself and not against a lower level team at home. Playing 5 of those lower level teams and playing 3 quality teams in a tourney , not necessarily better than us could fill out the other 8 games and we would learn where we stand.
I frankly believe we played well at UMASS first game after Lafayette and without Geo , on the road , and it gave the team some confidence , and we played that way against Clemson in the win. That road game just like one of those island tourney weekends would pay dividends down the road.
Now we have a lousy situation as not only did we lose to Lafayette but worse than in other years , the remaining Rider , Central Connecticut and Maine teams are down as bad as can be with the last 2 both above 350 in Kenpom. So winning almost does you no good this year. If you would have won 1 of 3 tourney games or even 2 of 3 , then your out of conference strength of schedule is helped to offset the weak home wins against the lesser foes.
to be fair last year we had Baylor scheduled but I even see Penn State went to a tourney took LSU to overtime before beating a hapless Oregon State team
Yes but hat is my point. LSU was a better team than Penn State but the team got up for the game , like we would , and beat a team that was supposedly 15-60 but turned out not to be and got a win. That has helped them afterward from what I see of their team this year.
yeah even if you lose you get the bonding experience of traveling somewhere AWAY from him, geez Pike was bringing up the distraction of the fans as an excuse as to why RU wasnt playing well in the first couple of games, I dont even understand that.
NET ratings are irrelevant in December, I thought we covered this in the last 2 seasons....it is based on who you have played so far....RU will be around 80 or so in 2 months, once the schedule of opponents goes way up....
I still disagree and I have no idea what the connection is between this and our current NET ranking.
So, going by NET ranking only, we were upset by one lower-ranked team (Lafayette), and we upset one higher-ranked team (Clemson), so we’re right where we should be in the win column. Nice!
Loving these lower expectations.
Loving these lower expectations.
Wagner's only played 4 games and their SOS is pretty good, only loss to Seton Hall. Wagner NET will fall as their SOS goes down.
Always true…but especially so when we can’t even beat the garbage cupcakes we are scheduling. Rather lose by 40 to Gonzaga then by 1 at the buzzer at home to Lafayette. At least you can learn from playing top competition. It forces you to play harder. The only thing you learn from playing Lafayette is complacency and how bad we suck.
Except it isn't true. You are just declaring it to be true based on nothing. It's not even clear how this discussion got in this thread.
There is nothing to be gained by playing super hard schedules.
I think you're wrong. We play 2 extra confernece games then any other major confernece.
so that's equivalent to adding 2 big ten teams to our OOC in additition to seton hall, ACC team and BIG east team
Yeah I've come around on the schedule from the standpoint of: Tournament worthy teams make the tournament, and non tournament worthy teams don't. The schedule almost never matters.
From an entertainment perspective, it sucks but that's what you get with Pikiell
I think playing a super tough OOC is an actively bad idea, especially in years when the Big Ten is the toughest conference. This year could be a bit different, but there was no way to know that before the season started. If you play a bunch of tough teams OOC and have a Big Ten like we had in 2019-20 or 2020-21 then a bubble quality team is going to start to run into perception problems around overall record. I think Rutgers, for example, was much better off in 2019-20 with a 20-11 record against like a 30-50th ranked schedule than we would have been with a 18-13 record against a really tough one.
To one of the above posts, several major conferences now play 20 league games.
The other question you have to ask is what are the OOC scheduling philosophies of the other B10 teams? How many travel to MTE’s? How many schedule difficult one-off OOC games? How many play in-state H/H rivalry games? And how many overall home games does each schedule, including the 10 conference games? That all might be where the answer lies.
The other question you have to ask is what are the OOC scheduling philosophies of the other B10 teams? How many travel to MTE’s? How many schedule difficult one-off OOC games? How many play in-state H/H rivalry games? And how many overall home games does each schedule, including the 10 conference games? That all might be where the answer lies.
Here is the NC SOS for the Big Ten, according to Bart. Including both measures (Elite L% / Basic)
Michigan St. 15/7
Ohio St. 23/27
Michigan 38/13
Wisconsin 104/81
Maryland 140/40
Purdue 163/128
Illinois 191/93
Penn St. 236/176
Rutgers 249/254
Iowa 262/236
Nebraska 272/178
Northwestern 311/285
Indiana 320/216
Minnesota 330/277
it allows you to make the tourney at 18-14 rather than 20-12 with a cakewalk sos....see NC State a few years ago when their 323 sos doomed them
sos most definitely matters
so from the team sheet.....
Most important
- Games by quadrant, listing results and upcoming games
- Records by quadrant, away and neutral
- Non-Conference Strength of Schedule (SOS)
- Overall SOS
- Overall road and neutral records
- Non-Division I losses
Some value
- Average NET win and loss
- Overall record
- Non-Conference record, road record
Not nothing, but not very important
- NET and other computer rankings
- Overall home records, non-conference and by quadrant
- Game scoring margins
Not criteria
- Conference records and standings
- AP Top 25, Coaches Poll
- Tournament history
Right but going 18-14 against the good schedule is just as difficult as going 20-12 against the easier one, and with the easier one you have 20 wins which is nice. I would argue that NC State in 2019 is just an anomaly, an example of the committee not doing their jobs right.