Politi on Pikiell
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He's exactly right, except an NIT bid isn't likely. Assuming a loss to Seton Hall we'd have to go 9-11 in conference play to pull off a winning record. That ain't happening.
But yeah, now is where Pikiell gets to prove he can build a program and not just a team. That was a very good way of putting it, and that's how he'll be judged in two or three years.
But yeah, now is where Pikiell gets to prove he can build a program and not just a team. That was a very good way of putting it, and that's how he'll be judged in two or three years.
What pikiell did on 5 short years at rutgers should earn him legend status. We should start calling him mother Theresa because of the miracle he performed.
most counted pikiell out after years 2 and 3. I will trust him now
most counted pikiell out after years 2 and 3. I will trust him now
Just because he took this team out from the grave doesn't give him that much leeway to not continue to improve on what he has done. He is getting paid good money to continue success .
It's really something when Steve Politi has to tell a fan base they are being too negative and sensationalist.
He is getting paid good money because that is the going rate for coaches.
Pikes fate will be determined how he does in the 2022 transfer portal. We were huge net losers in the 21 portal. Pike must now be a huge net winner. Keep Cliff and jones and bring in several big pieces. Otherwise it's lights out.
A lot of fragile egos have been bruised I’m afraid.
I agree 100 percent Pike should have every opportunity including next year to turn the ship around.
Cries of firing him are ludicrous.
He is not above criticism however it comes with the territory, especially after the WAY over the top evaluation of his team pre-season
Cries of firing him are ludicrous.
He is not above criticism however it comes with the territory, especially after the WAY over the top evaluation of his team pre-season
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One can still be frustrated and disappointed with team and coach so far this year , pointing out perceived weaknesses/opportunities while still giving him credit and giving him his chance to fix things. Agree he earned that and hope he does!
Even if we don't produce all the w's at least putting together a better execution and competitive effort. My expectations weren't to make the dance then go back into hibernation again but to ride somewhere in the the top half of the league most years.
Even if we don't produce all the w's at least putting together a better execution and competitive effort. My expectations weren't to make the dance then go back into hibernation again but to ride somewhere in the the top half of the league most years.
Pikiell is here through the 2023-2024 season. Politi will almost certainly have written several negative columns during that time
It boggles my mind that people are calling for the head of the first guy to get us to two straight tourneys (yes, we were going in 2020 until COVID) since the mid-70s and the first win since 1983. Sure, this team is looking like it will struggle to win more than 5-6 games in the B1G (and less is possible) and Pike clearly has earned some criticism, but it's way too early to count Pike out.
2022 transfer portal is very important. His "fate" being determined is a little dramatic.
He’s earned lots of goodwill by having two tournament level teams. Unless this season and next are disasters, he’s here for at least two more. If he didn’t blow up expectations in the pre-season, we’re probably not having this discussion..although expectations were already pretty high.
IMO, I think it’s critical that;
1. He keeps Cliff and Jones here next season
2. He, or someone on his staff, hits the transfer portal hard.
3. The team improves this season. This is the easiest one by far because we are a mess right now.
IMO, I think it’s critical that;
1. He keeps Cliff and Jones here next season
2. He, or someone on his staff, hits the transfer portal hard.
3. The team improves this season. This is the easiest one by far because we are a mess right now.
Ummm why didn't Polity mention poor *** recruiting? Horrible omission on his part.
This. Along with his tremendous reporting of the Logan Kelley situation, I have a newfound level of respect for Politi.
Also because there really isn't anything such as bad money. I mean, it's not like chicken or milk that goes bad.
Even though we all feel like we had two consecutive tourney teams the fact that we didn’t actually experience two in a row no doubt is now having an effect on how Pikiell is being viewed IMO. In a lot of ways we still feel a lot like a one year wonder which we were really weren’t. If we actually went through not one but two selection Sundays with him I think he would be looked at differently by some.
2016-17 15-18, 2017-18 (7 ret/top10) {#1, #2, #4}, #6, #7, #9 #10
2017-18 15-19, 2018-19 (5 ret/10) {#3, #4, #5}, #7, #9
2018-19 14-17, 2019-20 (7 ret/10) {#2, #3, #4, #5}, #6, #7, #8, -#1EO,+Yeboah
2019-20 20-11, 2020-21 (8 ret/10) {#1, #2, #4, #5}, #6, #7, #8, #10{Douc), 5 fr
2020-21 16-12, 2021-22 (6 ret/10) {#1, #3}, #6, #7, #8, #9(Mag-12gm,70 min)
Hyatt was 5th on LSU, 4.2pts just above #8 Cliff
Gonzales-Agee 2nd on SJSt, 11.1pts on a bad mid major
2018-19 was our worst season, for the lack of returning scorers but we showed improvement at the end, winning 7 B1G games with class of 18(RHJ, Tez, Caleb) and Myles. Our two most successful season, we returned 4 of the top 5 scorers from the year before, and added pieces we need.
This year with #3 Geo injured, we have the least amount of returning scorers in Pike's 6 seasons, even 2016-17, only RHJ at #1 of the top 5 scorers on last year's tourny team. That's a lot of scoring to replace.
Pike is struggling to find go to scorers in the first 8 games, no one is stepping up consistently, best game being Clemson. RHJ is carrying too much on his back figuratively and literally. This season is on par with 2018-19 BUT if it comes together we have a much higher ceiling potentially than the 7 wins in 2018-19 with Cliff is more of a Sophomore, and freshman Jaden, Mag, Oskar, Reiber and Jalen, and.2 transfer Hyatt, Gonzales-Agee. 7 new pieces to integrate with only 5 established guys, 4 w/out Geo.
2017-18 15-19, 2018-19 (5 ret/10) {#3, #4, #5}, #7, #9
2018-19 14-17, 2019-20 (7 ret/10) {#2, #3, #4, #5}, #6, #7, #8, -#1EO,+Yeboah
2019-20 20-11, 2020-21 (8 ret/10) {#1, #2, #4, #5}, #6, #7, #8, #10{Douc), 5 fr
2020-21 16-12, 2021-22 (6 ret/10) {#1, #3}, #6, #7, #8, #9(Mag-12gm,70 min)
Hyatt was 5th on LSU, 4.2pts just above #8 Cliff
Gonzales-Agee 2nd on SJSt, 11.1pts on a bad mid major
2018-19 was our worst season, for the lack of returning scorers but we showed improvement at the end, winning 7 B1G games with class of 18(RHJ, Tez, Caleb) and Myles. Our two most successful season, we returned 4 of the top 5 scorers from the year before, and added pieces we need.
This year with #3 Geo injured, we have the least amount of returning scorers in Pike's 6 seasons, even 2016-17, only RHJ at #1 of the top 5 scorers on last year's tourny team. That's a lot of scoring to replace.
Pike is struggling to find go to scorers in the first 8 games, no one is stepping up consistently, best game being Clemson. RHJ is carrying too much on his back figuratively and literally. This season is on par with 2018-19 BUT if it comes together we have a much higher ceiling potentially than the 7 wins in 2018-19 with Cliff is more of a Sophomore, and freshman Jaden, Mag, Oskar, Reiber and Jalen, and.2 transfer Hyatt, Gonzales-Agee. 7 new pieces to integrate with only 5 established guys, 4 w/out Geo.
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Pike has clearly earned some leeway to turn things around. But you have to wonder what he thought after we barely scraped by with victories in the first 3 games. We certainly did not look like the best team he ever assembled.
With the evidence and game films he had from those close early games, something should have changed in practice and in his lineup and usage of players to avoid a humiliating loss to Lafayette. That’s what I found most troubling and frustrating.
By the way, of all the comments he made preseason to pump up our players and get the fans excited, the one I found most baffling was his description of our backup center Agee as 6’10 and 260. That was a head-scratcher that was well beyond coachspeak. I just thought it was really strange coming from Pike.
All that being said, I’m behind him and the team 100%, and I think we make a good showing against Purdue.
With the evidence and game films he had from those close early games, something should have changed in practice and in his lineup and usage of players to avoid a humiliating loss to Lafayette. That’s what I found most troubling and frustrating.
By the way, of all the comments he made preseason to pump up our players and get the fans excited, the one I found most baffling was his description of our backup center Agee as 6’10 and 260. That was a head-scratcher that was well beyond coachspeak. I just thought it was really strange coming from Pike.
All that being said, I’m behind him and the team 100%, and I think we make a good showing against Purdue.
He deserves to take heat for the way he propped this team up. He’s no where near on the chopping block though and being angry about how the pre-season expectations were communicated is different from being unhappy with him overall as a coach.
Why are people so upset about this? I paid it no attention.
This is a great point. Also think that if we had closed the deal against Houston and we all had "Sweet 16" t-shirts and hats we would feel differently too.
I am not saying Pike has done a good job this year, but his first 5 years have been pretty remarkable.
The normal question is if all programs pay good money to their coaches to continue success, what is the bar for the rest of the B1G programs, the ACC programs, the SEC, Pac 12, Big 12 and Big East programs??
All of the Power 5/6 programs pay about the same if not more for their HC....and RU has an alumni that does not ensure their HCs in basketball, are armed with consistent talent each and every year.....
The question is, what makes RU dramatically different than 60 of the other Power 5/6 programs, that are not considered "blue bloods"???
I am not saying RU should finish last in the B1G or should be content with getting to the NCAAs in 4 years after Eddie Jordan left things essentially empty.....what is the benchmark 15 to 20 programs around the country that improves every single year without any hiccups, off-years or setbacks over a 5 to 10 year span??
Keeping Cliff and Jones may be dependent on how this season turns out. That outcome is now questionable.
If it ends poorly and we lose both then the floor drops out from under the program and under Pike as HC.
Because it wasn’t true - he had to have known it wasn’t true and therefore did it to sell more tickets (I.e. lied to the fans). Now he can’t admit it because it would be dumping on his team.
I doubt he knowingly lied and I doubt people bought tickets because of what he said. Season tickets were already pretty much gone outside of bleachers before he said anything. I don’t listen to coach team assessments good or bad. This reaction is comical
But he has to take criticism on some awful decisions due to his stubborness; We know Muhammed and Quinerly wanted to come back to Rutgers and he said no which is utter stupidity as these two players would be way better than anyone on our roster
The Oregon State team closed the deal and made the Sweet 16 and won another game, to make the Elite 8.....before they lost to Houston by 6.....
Oregon State is 1-7 this year....
I'm sure Pike knows as everyone else does, that it's a results-oriented business. Have there been missteps? Of course. Will there be more? Of course, it's the nature of the beast. It's a matter of how you overcome and limit them that will tell the tale.
I wouldn't mind him bringing in his old boss for a little advice now and then.
I wouldn't mind him bringing in his old boss for a little advice now and then.
Leeway? We are not even a quarter of the way from a second round NCAA lose for the first time in 30+ years and people want him fired? you call that leeway?
Success is not a straight line. Anyone who believes or tells you that has never had to work for anything in their life. Kind of like what Harbaugh said after the ohio state win. Some people start life on third base and think they hit a triple. In this analogy rutgers was basically the bat boy when pikiell took over. There are always ups and downs. Rutgers was starting so far behind that the appropriate amount of leeway is probably 3 or 4 bad years.
Do i have to continue listing coaches who had down years at much better programs that ultimately succeeded?
For the 10,000 time Rutgers program was so bad that Hobbs could not recruit two Atlantic 10 coaches to take the job. One coach is from Jersey and the other was in an internal catfight with his AD. They still both wouldnt take the job
At the end of the day rutgers is rutgers and one ncaa tournement does not erase 30 years of terrible to mediocre basketball. That is even more true today with NIL and places like kansas having kids get paid 100k per year. So if rutgers wants talent. They need the local community to start paying for it.
Who cares? If Cliff was good enough we have at least 2 more wins. i am tired of hearing about cliff might leave. Go. Next.
We know one particular user with a penchant for exaggeration has said that. Big difference.
By the way, people would have killed Pikiell for taking a 25% three point shooter who butted heads with Jay Wright.
Who knows they wanted to come here? What did they want in return to come here?
He deserves leeway for sure. He did two years in a row what we hadn’t done in 30 years. Let’s hope he can do it again.
As for this season, we have looked mediocre and bad except for the Clemson game. We have guys who can score and we have guys who can play D but only a few who can do both well at this time. We also lack rebounding and energy IMO. No reason we can’t win some games if we play like we did against Clemson. It’s a season long grind but hopefully our fans will help steal a few games at home.
As for this season, we have looked mediocre and bad except for the Clemson game. We have guys who can score and we have guys who can play D but only a few who can do both well at this time. We also lack rebounding and energy IMO. No reason we can’t win some games if we play like we did against Clemson. It’s a season long grind but hopefully our fans will help steal a few games at home.
What's stupid is bringing in a ball hog. I'd ask Jay Wright if he would have been a fit on a program like Rutgers.
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