It was just a taste, but the kid has something to offer as a defensive spark (if there can be such a thing). I know I was pumped to see him defend, and I thought the team (and the crowd) responded to his impact.
Impact of Miller
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I was impressed with his minutes. We could have used him in previous games.
Should of never considered a red shirt unless he’s 100% inept which would mean a wasted scholly. Would of been useful in those embarrassing losses where we defended like the school of the blind.
To be fair he was 100% inept offensively lol
He did fine defending . I did not see anything offensively that will help us but it seems he knows his role is to defend 94 feet and cover the other teams small quick guards that have given us trouble. Everyone is going a little overboard on his contribution as he played only 7 minutes and Pike subbed him perfectly , bu I think that was because Caleb and Paul played better and have for the last 2 games. We are not going to get 16 points from Caleb but hopefully the stat sheet is stuffed , the airballs are gone and the defense gets even better every game from here on out. Miller can help with the smaller quicker guards.
The jumper looked bad for sure. That can be fixed, decent take at the end for his first two points. The defense looked like he has serious potential their. Clemsons guards are solid and he basically didn’t give much
Yea, to be fair to him he took 3 shots, the jumper was awful, but I think was also a force at the end of the shot clock. On the layup in the first half, he should have went for a floater and not try to scoop under a bigger guy with creativity. If he can be a ball mover and take an floater here and there if open I wouldn't mind seeing that.
I think he fulfilled his role of holding the fort to give the other guys rest while we are down a guard. Probably needs to work out the first game jitters.
He missed one shot and made one shot. That's your definition of inept? He did not do anything to hurt the team on the offensive end. No turnovers, he did not hold the ball, he did not miss a passing opportunity that could have led to a score.
It was his first game and it was a pressure cooker, so we’ve got to give him more time on the offensive side to adjust to being in actual games. It was also LOUD, and that takes some getting used to, even for the home team’s players. I was happy to see him get in and get the work in such a tight and important game.
He played with passion, which was much needed. It’s contagious.
I was at the game. He missed two shots - an awful jumper and a ridiculous attempt at a layup. He also fumbled the ball for no apparent reason and almost got us a backcourt violation - we may have gotten lucky they didn’t call a double dribble but I’d have to watch it back. It was definitely first game nerves but he was also definitely inept offensively, which in your first 7 minutes of action against a solid opponent like Clemson isn’t a huge cause for concern.
Yeah! I was beginning to wonder if we were suffering from "too cool for school." College game depends on effort, and attention.
He’s a jitterbug on D. We don’t have another player with anything close to his lateral quickness.
Well you think you are smarter than Pike but let’s look at it objectively . He has a surplus of guards and trying to find minutes for 2 other freshman Mag and Jones , so finding minutes is a challenge.
Next he thinks his team will defend and unfortunately for the first 6 games , he realizes they are getting beat badly man to man , especially by smaller quicker guards and getting torched at the 3 point line , and we are not getting enough pressure on the guards to force disruption of their sets. Geo missed last 8 minutes of Lafayette and UMASS. Clemson has 3 really quick guards in the game including Honor who can shoot the 3. Pike plays Miller for 7 minutes and he picks up 94 feet and neutralizes Honor getting Clemson out o their sets and from the 3 . If game one is any indication , Miler will not be helping us on offense . Pike incorrectly thought our lengthy guards could stay with smaller faster guards and he got that wrong and corrected it. Yes , he could have used him to harass Fernandes at UMASS but we had the big lead of 15 and he gambled and lost.
The redshirt versus trying to find minutes for miller was a harder decision but becomes necessary because Geo is out and our guards cannot stay with smaller guards and Pike had to see it to realize it. Things are never as obvious and simple.
The first shot was ugly. Had no problem with the foul line jumper. He had to take it and it was open. He was probably just tight during his first game. The last lay-up I'm a little torn on. I would have liked to run clock there, but we were missing our FTs, so you can make the case for taking the easy extra points.
Lol, nothing you said here describes inept. A missed shot is not inept. A missed layup in traffic trying to draw a foul is not inept. Find a new word.
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I thought he looked great for first game and against our first real opponent. The loss of Mathis and Young really hurt our ability to guard quick guards. #2 is maybe the only guy on our roster with that kind of defensive quickness. His lateral movement is outstanding. I think his role needs to increase and right away.
Offensively, he doesn't appear to be as good as our other guards, but I do believe he can handle the ball and get us into an offense. Caleb and Paul back their way up the court....we need to be able to face the defense and distribute or penetrate. #2 looks to be better at it than PM and CM. So I don't think he's "inept" on offense...I think he will quickly gain confidence and contribute in ways others can't/don't.
Offensively, he doesn't appear to be as good as our other guards, but I do believe he can handle the ball and get us into an offense. Caleb and Paul back their way up the court....we need to be able to face the defense and distribute or penetrate. #2 looks to be better at it than PM and CM. So I don't think he's "inept" on offense...I think he will quickly gain confidence and contribute in ways others can't/don't.
If you watched the shots they were pretty inept. Gets a pass regardless because it was his first game action and he was helpful on D.
Although he only played 7 minutes, he played great defense and brought a spark. He definitely energized the team and the arena. Anyone who was there could attest.
His offense definitely looks real limited though.
His offense definitely looks real limited though.
The unfortunate thing is had he played in the three losses, very likely, his defense may have helped us win those games. I honestly can’t understand for the life of me why we were thinking of redshirting him if that’s the case. Very shortsighted by the coaching staff in my humble opinion (which is NOT something I would have expected from Pikes).
Shots miss, some close and some badly. I some several badly missed shots yesterday...Harper, Hyatt, Mulcahy, McConnell and Jones. Yet, Miller is the inept one....
Shot attempts are normally not described as inept. Just misses.
Do yourself a favor and watch the layup attempt before your next post. There are misses, and then there’s whatever that was. Still a good game from him overall.Shots miss, some close and some badly. I some several badly missed shots yesterday...Harper, Hyatt, Mulcahy, McConnell and Jones. Yet, Miller is the inept one....
Shot attempts are normally not described as inept. Just misses.
Yep. And that's exactly why he hasn't seen any time on the court before the last game. The
team doesn't have enough firepower to cover for a player who is a worse shooter than
the ones we already have
And you can watch the horrible attempts by some of the other players I mentioned in the first 6 games. They were horribly bad misses (hairballs, shots that hit the side of backboard, shooting bricks.....but, the one horrible attempt by Miller you wanna label as so-called inept.
I have watched them. They were bad looks and bad shots. This was an out of control windmill type panic layup attempt, where it seemed more likely that the ball had slipped from his hands than that he actually attempted the shot.
I’m not going to keep dwelling on it because I thought he was a net positive but you need to watch these things before deciding you’re right at all costs. It was a terrible shot, the other was just a bad miss with the clock winding down.
explain what a BPM is and let's see if it is a relevant metric to discuss his performance and impact on the game.
We are going to assess his impact based on this...????
As mentioned above: the coefficients vary by the position and offensive role the player plays. In other words, some statistics mean different things if the player plays point guard versus if the player is a center.
To do this, every player is assigned a standard position value and also an offensive "creation" position value. Both of these position spectrums vary between position 1 (PG & Creator) and position 5 (Center & Receiver). These position scales are calculated using regressions found in the appendix.
Here are the variables and coefficients used:
The Base Regression
The BPM 2.0 regression works off of per-100 possession statistics. All statistics are translated to per-100 team possessions. While this can potentially lose a bit of nuance (for instance, not accounting for the number of opportunities for the given stat to be accrued), it does streamline everything about the calculation. The output of the regression is in points per 100 team possessions.As mentioned above: the coefficients vary by the position and offensive role the player plays. In other words, some statistics mean different things if the player plays point guard versus if the player is a center.
To do this, every player is assigned a standard position value and also an offensive "creation" position value. Both of these position spectrums vary between position 1 (PG & Creator) and position 5 (Center & Receiver). These position scales are calculated using regressions found in the appendix.
Here are the variables and coefficients used:
| Box Plus/Minus Regression | ||
| Coefficient | ||
| Variable | Position 1.0 (PG) | Position 5.0 (C) |
| Pts (adjusted for team context) | 0.860 | |
| 3PM (3 pointer made) | 0.389 | |
| AST | 0.580 | 1.034 |
| TO | -0.964 | |
| ORB | 0.613 | 0.181 |
| DRB | 0.116 | 0.181 |
| STL | 1.369 | 1.008 |
| BLK | 1.327 | 0.703 |
| PF | -0.367 | |
| Coefficient | ||
| Variable | Offensive Role 1.0 (Creator) | Offensive Role 5.0 (Receiver) |
| FGA | -0.560 | -0.780 |
| FTA (=0.44*FGA) | -0.246 | -0.343 |
He stinks because he didn't have a steal.....even though he was out there just to stay in front of his man in the end game.
Also he stinks because 2/3 of the possessions he played were on the defensive end (compared to the normal 1/2).
Does the box score even know what position he played? Was he a 1,2,3,4 or 5?
Also he stinks because 2/3 of the possessions he played were on the defensive end (compared to the normal 1/2).
Does the box score even know what position he played? Was he a 1,2,3,4 or 5?
Actually Nuts, I think it was the opposite of short-sighted, Pike was playing the long game. He is trying to build a program and was willing to redshirt a player that could have contributed immediately. Based on what I saw watching him in person on Tuesday, Jalen can definitely help the team this season and I think the reaction of his teammates shows that they and the coaches knew that as well. Now circumstances have changed, Pike wasn't counting on losing all three of those games and Geo got hurt. Personally, I thought Jalen looked pretty confident out there, particularly since his very first college game action was against an ACC, NCAA tournament team on national television. I think it's hysterical that people are being hyper-critical because the kid had a couple bad shots.
The bigger takeaway to me is that now Pike probably needs to play Miller 10-15 MPG.
We all aren't privy to why he was to be redshirted (Pike idea vs Miller). Given the fact he wasted 6 games of him not playing I doubt Pike would go back to playing him occasionally.
Remember Duke's freshman year. I have to think there was an agreement that if Duke came here he would get minutes and be the starter. He was our starting center in the B1G as a freshman 4 years ago. Now he is scrapping for minutes for LaSalle.
We all aren't privy to why he was to be redshirted (Pike idea vs Miller). Given the fact he wasted 6 games of him not playing I doubt Pike would go back to playing him occasionally.
Remember Duke's freshman year. I have to think there was an agreement that if Duke came here he would get minutes and be the starter. He was our starting center in the B1G as a freshman 4 years ago. Now he is scrapping for minutes for LaSalle.
No idea what this means and really don’t care.
If you watched or were at the game in person you should have realized, seen and heard what Miller provided in those 7 minutes.
He didn’t carry us on his back obviously but to say he was a net negative in that game is absurd.
It does seem like people at the game thought he was good and people watching at home thought he was bad. Wonder how the crowd reaction plays into that.
Miller's raw +/- was -6, key stretch he checked in we were up 45-36 dawes hit a 3, miller bricked a jumper, dawes hit a 3, blink of an eye lead from 9 down to 3 and pike yanked miller, called t.o. put the starters back in and we stabilized.
Just given where we are in the season and this teams expectations personally I would not be working in Miller right now.
If we things go bad in this season then maybe there becomes an opportunity to play him.
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