There is no question that the refs gave DePaul the game. One of the worst I have seen in a long time. Not consistent in calls at all. Let DePaul get away with plenty. We had no chance in that game with the referring...none. Are we playing well? No. We have a lot of meshing to do. I think we would have beaten them easily with a fairly called game.
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We only lost by three and played terribly. Very, Very winnable game, regardless of the refs. Though is don’t think the refs were so bad, never play so poorly so that the refs can influence the outcome of the game. Period.
There is no question that the refs gave DePaul the game. One of the worst I have seen in a long time. Not consistent in calls at all. Let DePaul get away with plenty. We had no chance in that game with the referring...none. Are we playing well? No. We have a lot of meshing to do. I think we would have beaten them easily with a fairly called game.
I don't think we played terribly. I literally saw a game completely called in such a one sided manner.
Classic Stage 1 observation. While most are in Stage 2 our PSU and RU loving friend is clearly just in Stage 1
1. Denial and Isolation
When we lose someone or something important to us, it is natural to reject the idea that it could be true. In turn, we may isolate ourselves to avoid reminders of the truth. Others who wish to comfort us may only make us hurt more while we are still coming to terms with the loss.2. Anger
When it is no longer possible to live in denial, it is common to become frustrated and angry. We might feel like something extremely unfair has happened to us and wonder what we did to deserve it.3. Bargaining
In this stage, we might somehow seek to change the circumstances of the situation causing their grief. For example, a religious person whose loved one is dying might seek to negotiate with God to keep the person alive. Bargaining may help the grieving person cope by allowing them a sense of control in the face of helplessness.4. Depression
In this stage, we feel the full weight of our sadness over the loss. Feeling extremely down in the wake of a loss is normal; however, it is important to be aware that clinical depression is different from grief, and they are treated differently by mental health professionals. See “The Blurred Line Between Grief and Depression” for more information.5. Acceptance
Eventually, the grieving person may come to terms with their loss. Accepting a loss does not necessarily mean the person is no longer grieving. In fact, many grief experts say that grief can continue for a lifetime after a major loss, and coping with the loss only becomes easier over time. Waves of grief can be triggered by reminders of the loss long after it has happened and long after the person has “accepted” it. These waves may also trigger a crossover into any of the other four stages of grief.I don't think we played Terribly at all, I think Caleb and Ralph played awful games, and we had some very unlucky calls/breaks during the game but I think our last 2.5 games have showed a lot better basketball than our first 1.5
I thought the refs were very generous towards DePaul with the whistles.
We foul a lot. When we don't make any offensive moves towards the basket, we don't get fouled.
Our offense in the 1st half was atrocious. I saw way too much ISO from guys that have no business going iso. Harper is the only guy that should be allowed to go ISO.
I've seen better play at the YMCA.
Our offense in the 1st half was atrocious. I saw way too much ISO from guys that have no business going iso. Harper is the only guy that should be allowed to go ISO.
I've seen better play at the YMCA.
Providence 61 @ Wisconsin 56
PFs 18 FT 11-19, PF 19 FT 13-17
Clougherty, Smith, Roberts
Illinois 66 @ Marqutte 67
PFs 24 FT 7-11, PF 16 FT 18-31
Scirotto, Boroski, Szelc
Seton Hall 67 @ Michigan 65
PF 12 FT 10-18, PF 18 FT 10-12
O'Connell, Hampton, Anderson
Creighton 77 @ Nebraska 69
PF 14 FT 11-20, PF 18 FT 7-9
Watson, Clougherty, Driscoll
Michigan St 73 @ Butler 52(16-56, 28.6%)
PF 20 FT 19-24, PF 25 FT 11-18
Green, Pfieffer, Carstensen
St John's 74 @ Indiana 76
PF 18, FT 15-19, PF 20 FT 10-19
Simpson Szelc, Breeding
tOSU 65 @ Xavier 71
PF 18 FT 11-13, PF 17 FT 14-17
Boroski, Carstensen, Green
Rutgers 70 @ Depaul 73
PF 21 FT 4-6, PF 13 FT 18-33
Garrison, Riley, Szelc
I was blaming our team for the lack of calls and researched it, the SAME 3 reffed our home loss in 20-21 to Maryland, 59-68
Maryland PF 14, FT 18-28, Rutgers PF 22 FT 12-14
PFs 18 FT 11-19, PF 19 FT 13-17
Clougherty, Smith, Roberts
Illinois 66 @ Marqutte 67
PFs 24 FT 7-11, PF 16 FT 18-31
Scirotto, Boroski, Szelc
Seton Hall 67 @ Michigan 65
PF 12 FT 10-18, PF 18 FT 10-12
O'Connell, Hampton, Anderson
Creighton 77 @ Nebraska 69
PF 14 FT 11-20, PF 18 FT 7-9
Watson, Clougherty, Driscoll
Michigan St 73 @ Butler 52(16-56, 28.6%)
PF 20 FT 19-24, PF 25 FT 11-18
Green, Pfieffer, Carstensen
St John's 74 @ Indiana 76
PF 18, FT 15-19, PF 20 FT 10-19
Simpson Szelc, Breeding
tOSU 65 @ Xavier 71
PF 18 FT 11-13, PF 17 FT 14-17
Boroski, Carstensen, Green
Rutgers 70 @ Depaul 73
PF 21 FT 4-6, PF 13 FT 18-33
Garrison, Riley, Szelc
I was blaming our team for the lack of calls and researched it, the SAME 3 reffed our home loss in 20-21 to Maryland, 59-68
Maryland PF 14, FT 18-28, Rutgers PF 22 FT 12-14
Some of you guys really are blind. We played a reasonable good first half until the last 6-7 minutes when Cliff went to the bench. We had leads of 20-13 when Jones hit a 3 to cause a timeout. We were up 23-16 when Harper hit a three. Geo hit a couple but he had 2 bad turnovers that led to run outs and a bad foul to put them at the line late in the first half as well as a fumbled rebound right under the basket that gave them 2 more points. Caleb dribbled and then forced his way into 3 guys to take a terrible shot that led to their taking the lead. But overall not terrible.
We played a really good second half and got almost anything we wanted. We had 4 point leads multiple times but let them hit some threes, as we were a step slow in getting around screens but we came out to start the half and immediately went ahead after being down 4. Cliff getting his third foul , on the ******** call by Szelc the ref that cannot stand us , when he came from mid court to say Cliff pushed a guy out on the baseline when he never touched him , changed things and then Cliff picked up his 4th right away , trying to help Mulcahy who got beat. We would have been okay but Agee who had 3 easy layups for 6 points , hesitated for no reason, dribbled for no reason, and then put his body towards the defender to make it easier to block his shot ( criminal for a 5th year grad transfer) . He got fouled once and made 1 , so 1 point instead of 6. We could have separated and Cliff had just put down 3 flushes on nice feeds just before that. That is where the game changed and prevented us from going up 8-10 points.
In the last few minutes we got around screens late and they hit 5 threes and we hit 4 and then Geo missed the good look at the buzzer.
So those saying we played terrible did not watch this game. Paul played his best game and although Ron and Geo did not play their best , Ron ended with 19 and 11 and Geo with 15 points. Cliff and Aundre also played relatively well except for foul trouble ( His first foul was also a ******** call by Szelc) and he was really starting to heat up until he got taken out of the game. Caleb was lost and bad offensively , Reiber game up 2 offensive rebounds on foul shots , and Mag left his feet on the 3 point shooter but otherwise played well.
Still a little too much isolation offense but some good ball movement in parts of the first half, ( Mag to Andre for a layup and Mag to Agee for a layup, with another unnecessary hesitation) and most of second half but starting with Geo and Paul’s passes for Cliff’s dunks. I thought we were going to win the game in the first half and almost the entire second half.
You can make all the excuses you want. Pike’s best team (his words) lost to the probable last place Big East team. That’s really all that matters.
Depaul is the "predicted" last place team, made a lot of changes from a bad team including a new head coach. 2019-20 we were predicted to be 11-14 by most publications after 14-17 in 2018-19. We finished tied for 5th, seeded 8th. That's why they play the games, and not by predictions.
We lost but the last 6 minutes were some fun *** basketball to watch if you didn't have skin in the game. Raining threes from both teams.
I am at 3. If we get good guys in the portal we will be fine next year and I’ll take 1 bad year for good ones in the future
definitely bargaining
definitely bargaining
A few quick thoughts.
Props to DePaul. I thought this was the best DePaul team I've seen play in ... decades. Their three point shooting at the end was lights out.
I think RU's identity as a team is coming through. I think they will be fine overall - a 8/9 B1G team on the bubble of the NCAA with good upside potential.
My gripe was I thought RU played soft for the last 10 or so minutes of the first half. DePaul just owned us and seemed so much hungrier. That was sorted out in the second half.
Props to DePaul. I thought this was the best DePaul team I've seen play in ... decades. Their three point shooting at the end was lights out.
I think RU's identity as a team is coming through. I think they will be fine overall - a 8/9 B1G team on the bubble of the NCAA with good upside potential.
My gripe was I thought RU played soft for the last 10 or so minutes of the first half. DePaul just owned us and seemed so much hungrier. That was sorted out in the second half.
5 or 6 bad calls against us so it did effect the game's outcome, but siap it shouldn't have come down to the refs deciding it. We didn't play well either.
Not making any statements on officiating in that game as a whole, but that call in particular drove me insane. There was a ref on the baseline, why he felt that was his call to make from half court when all he could see was Cliff’s back was truly infuriating.
Just stop. It wasn’t the refs.
We have no transition game at all - zero. We had Caleb shoot 0-6 from the floor. The rest of our half court offense was okay. The problem was that whenever Cliff went to the bench, DePaul could score at will because Agee couldn’t stop the ball in the paint. Reiber wasn’t any better. We didn’t really try playing small.
When Caleb sat, our offensive flow improved a little (late second half) but unfortunately our perimeter defense also suffered. And that unit that was in when DePaul rattled off those 5 threes may be our best defensive line up that doesn’t include Caleb in it. Scary - but on the other hand, I don’t think DePaul wins under any circumstances if Reiber and Agee combine for 10 minutes instead of 21. Having either of them on the floor really hurt us.
That’s why we lost.
We have no transition game at all - zero. We had Caleb shoot 0-6 from the floor. The rest of our half court offense was okay. The problem was that whenever Cliff went to the bench, DePaul could score at will because Agee couldn’t stop the ball in the paint. Reiber wasn’t any better. We didn’t really try playing small.
When Caleb sat, our offensive flow improved a little (late second half) but unfortunately our perimeter defense also suffered. And that unit that was in when DePaul rattled off those 5 threes may be our best defensive line up that doesn’t include Caleb in it. Scary - but on the other hand, I don’t think DePaul wins under any circumstances if Reiber and Agee combine for 10 minutes instead of 21. Having either of them on the floor really hurt us.
That’s why we lost.