End of Regulation Play

[RU84]

Anybody else scratching their head with that play call at the end of regulation?

So the outcome was in doubt all night, first game of the year, you don’t have your A game, you’re playing a scrappy Lehigh team, you’re cold from 3, score tied, you have the final shot and have Geo launch a three? Really? If we didn’t pull it out in overtime that call would have maybe loomed larger.

I love Geo, he’s been clutch so many times, and I rarely question pike but all you need is 1 pt to win. A three pointer is still only a one in three probability. Why not have Geo drive into the paint and:

- Take a higher pct. 2 pointer?
- Draw a foul and go to the line?
- Dish to Ron for either a 2 in the short corner or a short drive to the basket where he can finish or get fouled

Am I missing something?

 

[RUEd]

Anybody else scratching their head with that play call at the end of regulation?

So the outcome was in doubt all night, first game of the year, you don’t have your A game, you’re playing a scrappy Lehigh team, you’re cold from 3, score tied, you have the final shot and have Geo launch a three? Really? If we didn’t pull it out in overtime that call would have maybe loomed larger.

I love Geo, he’s been clutch so many times, and I rarely question pike but all you need is 1 pt to win. A three pointer is still only a one in three probability. Why not have Geo drive into the paint and:

- Take a higher pct. 2 pointer?
- Draw a foul and go to the line?
- Dish to Ron for either a 2 in the short corner or a short drive to the basket where he can finish or get fouled

Am I missing something?

My sentiments exactly.

 

[cm_13]

Don’t mind the ball being in Geo’s hands, but taking a 3 pointer with the score tied in a game where Rutgers has been awful from three isn’t the look I’d be trying to get there.

 

[RUBubba]

I said the same thing. GO TO THE HOOP!

Higher percentage shot or get fouled and go to the line...

 

[G- RUnit]

I thought sound going for the last shot. Geo has made them before. Just a bit far.

 

[bac2therac]

This was the right call. Win or take chances in overtime vs tired Lehigh

 

[RW90]

Umm... play? More like Geo, here, dribble out the clock and take the last shot.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

This was the right call. Win or take chances in overtime vs tired Lehigh

You trust......
1. Geo will not turn the ball over
2. Will make his move at the right time
3. Will not leave the other team with the chance of winning
4. Has a pretty good chance of making the shot.

I have more of an issue when we do this up 3 with 2 minutes left.

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

Holding for last **** is fine. Ball in geo’s hands is right. But run a play when it hits about 7 seconds.

 

[toby83]

wasn't the worst thing in the world for ball to be in his hands since he just made a jumper, but the game tying jumper was a slight drive then jab step, bit of step back mid range shot. would have rather seen that attempt again.

 

[fatsam98]

Understand what you're saying OP but it didn't bother me. I felt pretty confident we'd win it in OT

 

[Knight Ed_rivals]

Geo's stat lines in the last two minutes of recent close games.

When trying to lock an NCAA tourney bid with a win against Minnesota the ball was put in Geo's hands at the end of regulation to lead us there:

1:43 missed free throw

1:02 missed jumper

:18 turnover

:00 missed jumper



When trying to make the Sweet 16 against Houston, last two minutes again

1:27 missed jumper

:24 foul

:.12 turnover (no one even touched him or the ball, he just lost his handle for no reason)

Yet, people are shocked he didn't deliver against lowly Lehigh???

Geo is the worst pressure player I have ever seen. He doesn't make just one horrible play at the end of games, he typically stacks one on top of the other. Please Pike, try any other play at the end instead of just handing the ball. At this point you are just being cruel to the other players on the team.

 

[PiscatawayMike]

I had no problem with it. As long as the ball was in the air when the buzzer went off, I was a happy camper.

How many times at the end of a half have we seen RU shoot too early and then the opponent gets the final shot? Did not want to see that happen. I'll take my chances in OT.

 

[PiscatawayMike]

Geo is the worst pressure player I have ever seen. He doesn't make just one horrible play at the end of games, he typically stacks one on top of the other. Please Pike, try any other play at the end instead of just handing the ball. At this point you are just being cruel to the other players on the team.

I'm not even sure how to respond to this. Have you paid much attention to RU hoops for a good portion of the past four years?

 

[ColonelRutgers]

Holding for last **** is fine. Ball in geo’s hands is right. But run a play when it hits about 7 seconds.

Absolutely not. That’s way too early to go. Not giving Lehigh any chance to get the ball was the most important thing. And there was no doubt in my mind at least that if it went to overtime we’d win.

 

[RUtrumpet92_rivals498139]

I would rather Ron have taken the last shot but have no issue with us running out the clock and ensuring Lehigh could not steal the win in regulation. Maybe 25-30% chance of winning right there, or take your chances in OT with the more talented team. If Geo starts a play with seven on the clock, we turn it over, and lose at the buzzer, hoo boy.

 

[toby83]

I had no problem with it. As long as the ball was in the air when the buzzer went off, I was a happy camper.

How many times at the end of a half have we seen RU shoot too early and then the opponent gets the final shot? Did not want to see that happen. I'll take my chances in OT.

This is loser mentality, perhaps from beaten down for many many years, so it's understood. But that's a loser mentality.

 

[PiscatawayMike]

This is loser mentality, perhaps from beaten down for many many years, so it's understood. But that's a loser mentality.

So you'd rather have an opponent have the opportunity to beat you with a final shot?

I like to keep the odds in my favor. Either I win the game or it continues in overtime.

 

[RAC’emUp]

Lehigh had no time outs left so the chances of them organizing a play off the rebound were negligible even if they got it with a few seconds left. Because of that Geo could have moved earlier allowing the possibility of a put back by us. I would have liked us going down low to Ron instead though.

 

[Loyal_2RU]

Anybody else scratching their head with that play call at the end of regulation?

So the outcome was in doubt all night, first game of the year, you don’t have your A game, you’re playing a scrappy Lehigh team, you’re cold from 3, score tied, you have the final shot and have Geo launch a three? Really? If we didn’t pull it out in overtime that call would have maybe loomed larger.

I love Geo, he’s been clutch so many times, and I rarely question pike but all you need is 1 pt to win. A three pointer is still only a one in three probability. Why not have Geo drive into the paint and:

- Take a higher pct. 2 pointer?
- Draw a foul and go to the line?
- Dish to Ron for either a 2 in the short corner or a short drive to the basket where he can finish or get fouled

Am I missing something?

Sorry I looked for this thread didn't see it and just started another.

I agree!!!

 

[rudad02]

Holding for last **** is fine. Ball in geo’s hands is right. But run a play when it hits about 7 seconds.

Yes!!!

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Lehigh had no time outs left so the chances of them organizing a play off the rebound were negligible even if they got it with a few seconds left. Because of that Geo could have moved earlier allowing the possibility of a put back by us. I would have liked us going down low to Ron instead though.

Right but with the way our luck was going they could’ve picked off a pass and taken it the length - no time out required. Pike played it conservative and it was the right move based on the situation.

 

[goru7]

You are not missing anything but you must be new here. Pike has been n doing this with Geo for 3 years no matter if Ron was red hot last year or Jacob had it going last year . At the end of the game he has been adamant that he trusts Geo will the ball and because Geo has hit a bunch of late step back threes to win ( as well as he has missed as well) that will be the end game. Yes going for an easier two or a drive to get fouled or an easy dish makes a ton more sense but it is what it is. Geo taking that shot leaving no time on the clock or little is what Pike will take and go to overtime if it doesn’t connect.

 

[RUnTeX]

Geo is the worst pressure player I have ever seen.

SMH...ever must comprise a very small sample size for you.

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

Absolutely not. That’s way too early to go. Not giving Lehigh any chance to get the ball was the most important thing. And there was no doubt in my mind at least that if it went to overtime we’d win.

Okay start the play at 5 seconds. My main point was don't just hold a ball and jack up a 3, run a play.

 

[fluoxetine]

This is loser mentality, perhaps from beaten down for many many years, so it's understood. But that's a loser mentality.

Having strategies is a loser mentality. Winners just win, no thinking required.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Anybody else scratching their head with that play call at the end of regulation?

So the outcome was in doubt all night, first game of the year, you don’t have your A game, you’re playing a scrappy Lehigh team, you’re cold from 3, score tied, you have the final shot and have Geo launch a three? Really? If we didn’t pull it out in overtime that call would have maybe loomed larger.

I love Geo, he’s been clutch so many times, and I rarely question pike but all you need is 1 pt to win. A three pointer is still only a one in three probability. Why not have Geo drive into the paint and:

- Take a higher pct. 2 pointer?
- Draw a foul and go to the line?
- Dish to Ron for either a 2 in the short corner or a short drive to the basket where he can finish or get fouled

Am I missing something?

Drive and draw EVERY time but we’ve seen this before. Weird.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Holding for last **** is fine. Ball in geo’s hands is right. But run a play when it hits about 7 seconds.

I don't want Lehigh getting a DREB with 3 seconds left. I'll give up the chance at an OREB so that worst case scenario we go to OT. Down 1 is a completely different story.

 

[RUChoppin]

Geo's stat lines in the last two minutes of recent close games.

When trying to lock an NCAA tourney bid with a win against Minnesota the ball was put in Geo's hands at the end of regulation to lead us there:

1:43 missed free throw

1:02 missed jumper

:18 turnover

:00 missed jumper



When trying to make the Sweet 16 against Houston, last two minutes again

1:27 missed jumper

:24 foul

:.12 turnover (no one even touched him or the ball, he just lost his handle for no reason)

Yet, people are shocked he didn't deliver against lowly Lehigh???

Geo is the worst pressure player I have ever seen. He doesn't make just one horrible play at the end of games, he typically stacks one on top of the other. Please Pike, try any other play at the end instead of just handing the ball. At this point you are just being cruel to the other players on the team.

Just going to skip over Clemson?
3:48 - Made 3 to put us up 3
3:12 - Offensive foul/turnover on a pass to McConnell
2:06 - Missed 3 while we were up 2
1:45 - Missed 3 while we were up 2
0:10 - Made layup to put us up 4

2/4 for our final 5 points

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

I don't want Lehigh getting a DREB with 3 seconds left. I'll give up the chance at an OREB so that worst case scenario we go to OT. Down 1 is a completely different story.

My main point is still run a play. Pounding the ball 35 feet from basket then throwing up a 3 is not a play. Start the play at 7 seconds, 5, 3, whatever. Just run an actual play.

 

[toby83]

So you'd rather have an opponent have the opportunity to beat you with a final shot?

I like to keep the odds in my favor. Either I win the game or it continues in overtime.

i get it, you want to play not to lose. that's the old Rutgers way. it needs to change.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

So you'd rather have an opponent have the opportunity to beat you with a final shot?

I like to keep the odds in my favor. Either I win the game or it continues in overtime.

No problem with the last shot but a 3 point chuck at the buzzer by Geo after a timeout in every single game ending situation is ridiculous.
The other team always knows what’s coming. You practice so you don’t have to do what we continually do.

 

[BKIn118]

i get it, you want to play not to lose. that's the old Rutgers way. it needs to change.

Ridiculous.

The kid is a rock star here, has made countless meaningful shots for us. Letting him take the big shot in front of the first home crowd in 18 months is something Pikiell will do EVERY TIME.

Maybe you wanna reach out to Pike to discuss, cause that's where that call came from.

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

Ridiculous.

The kid is a rock star here, has made countless meaningful shots for us. Letting him take the big shot in front of the first home crowd in 18 months is something Pikiell will do EVERY TIME.

Maybe you wanna reach out to Pike to discuss, cause that's where that call came from.

I have no issue with Geo taking last shot. But run a play. Maybe he or someone else gets a better look.

 

[NickRU714]

This is the main issue I have with modern basketball.
Not sure if it is a coaching issue or player issue.

Teams refuse the run a play at the end of games.
Look for the highlight contested step back 3 when you only need 1 or 2 points.

My roommate and I called it the “Bus Play” when Douby would do it - everyone else stands around waiting for a bus to arrive.

You can’t call the Geo Nebraska step back 3 that went in a great play but then complain about last night.

 

[NickRU714]

If you have Durant or Luca…sure let them take a step back contested 3.

But way to many teams do it.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

Frankly what we did was the only thing to do. You can’t risk getting the ball stolen by “working the ball around” or give the opponent a chance for any type of rebound and quick timeout. Or full court pass from inbounds after a make. Cannot give a team any time on the clock. Zero. Do the names Joe Wieskamp or Yinka Dare mean anything to you guys?

 

[NickRU714]

Frankly what we did was the only thing to do. You can’t risk getting the ball stolen by “working the ball around” or give the opponent a chance for any type of rebound and quick timeout. Or full court pass from inbounds after a make. Cannot give a team any time on the clock. Zero. Do the names Joe Wieskamp or Yinka Dare mean anything to you guys?

Got it. Just play for overtime.

Why even bother taking a shot? It could get blocked.
Or what if the ball gets stolen from Geo???
The horror


Tie game with time running out, we should just stop even trying to score at all.

 

[RUChoppin]

Got it. Just play for overtime.

Why even bother taking a shot? It could get blocked.
Or what if the ball gets stolen from Geo???
The horror


Tie game with time running out, we should just stop even trying to score at all.

No, you play so that one of two things happen: 1) You hit the shot and win, 2) you miss the shot and go to OT. Anything that allows for a third option is a worse choice.

If we were down 1, that's a different story - we absolutely need to score to win, so you want to give yourself second chance opportunities, etc. But a tie game - you want to either win or go to OT, with no chance for "oops, they get a final play" mistakes.

 

[RAC’emUp]

Frankly what we did was the only thing to do. You can’t risk getting the ball stolen by “working the ball around” or give the opponent a chance for any type of rebound and quick timeout. Or full court pass from inbounds after a make. Cannot give a team any time on the clock. Zero. Do the names Joe Wieskamp or Yinka Dare mean anything to you guys?

They had no time outs left and that matters in the choice of when to get up the shot.