Dick Weiss on this year's team

[Lawboy12007]

It seems an insane disproportionate number of classic basketball stories come from the Palestra. I have more vivid memories of the 1989 A10 semi there than I do the final at the RAC vs. Penn State. I can still see Craig Carter hanging in the air in the lane for the game-winner vs. Temple that made John Chaney absolutely meltdown in the post game presser. I used to have a videotape of the game showing me run on the floor but it disappeared.

I stood behind the Temple basket in the stand at basket level one half waving my red winter overcoat to try and distract the foul shooters.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Not sure how to find it.. but somewhere I saw a Weiss tweet that suggested Rutgers may be the best BB team in the northeast based on scrimmages vs UCONN and Nova. Then I found a NOVA press release from 10/17 mentioning the scrimmage positively... so it might have been an old tweet.

Still.. adding it all up it seems very positive. Go Rutgers!

 

[Scarlet83]

I have a pretty good sample size of watching how our “best players” perform in real games. I saw last year how much we relied on guys who have left on the defensive end.

not saying a big year isn’t possible. I just view this year as a rebuilding/transition year. I will be pleasantly surprised if we enter February with a chance at a postseason berth.

Greene - IMO you have a huge tendency to overweight players leaving the team while underweighting the improvement and development of the players that grow within the program. You are a thoughtful guy. Think about that.

 

[Arizona Knight]

Now not to temper expectations but just being the best team November 1st does not mean by thing by March 1st. I mean, last year, we looked like a top 10 team in actual games and it didn’t end in us looking like a top 10 team in the nation. However, these results are only encouraging and I trust this group + home fans too keep the squad together and focused for the season. As long as we do that, this team is going to be incredible

If UCLA’s starting C could have hit a guy with a basketball who was two feet away, we were in the Sweet Sixteen.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Greene - IMO you have a huge tendency to overweight players leaving the team while underweighting the improvement and development of the players that grow within the program. You are a thoughtful guy. Think about that.

So far you have been mostly correct. However I was 100% on the money that we'd be so much better with Corey leaving.

I got Eugene leaving completely wrong because, as you said, Myles development made up for it. Going in to the season I was even more worried than I am now about our defense. We ended up being actually better.

While I may be a thoughtful guy I admit my thoughts are always what can go wrong. That is how I am wired and that is the way I have to think professionally.

With that being said my bull case for this team seems to be most people's base case. My base case for the team is around .500 and if I post my bear case (maybe 30% probability of happening) I'd be villafied (sp?) more than I am now.

Hopefully no one thinks my negativeness makes me any less of a fan of the program. Doesn't mean that a player or 2 didn't get me real agitated last year from an effort standpoint.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

If UCLA’s starting C could have hit a guy with a basketball who was two feet away, we were in the Sweet Sixteen.

If that player didn't get hurt 2 days before we'd be in the Sweet 16. Is myles going to start for UCLA?

 

[Eagleton95.99]

So far you have been mostly correct. However I was 100% on the money that we'd be so much better with Corey leaving.

I got Eugene leaving completely wrong because, as you said, Myles development made up for it. Going in to the season I was even more worried than I am now about our defense. We ended up being actually better.

While I may be a thoughtful guy I admit my thoughts are always what can go wrong. That is how I am wired and that is the way I have to think professionally.

With that being said my bull case for this team seems to be most people's base case. My base case for the team is around .500 and if I post my bear case (maybe 30% probability of happening) I'd be villafied (sp?) more than I am now.

Hopefully no one thinks my negativeness makes me any less of a fan of the program. Doesn't mean that a player or 2 didn't get me real agitated last year from an effort standpoint.

When you make your assessments you make judgements about how much players in the program will advance, how transfers and frosh will pan out. There is, obviously, a ton of educated guess work there. At what point does the guesswork start to be influenced by reports from Pike and others about how the team and players are actually developing?

 

[Scarlet83]

So far you have been mostly correct. However I was 100% on the money that we'd be so much better with Corey leaving.

I got Eugene leaving completely wrong because, as you said, Myles development made up for it. Going in to the season I was even more worried than I am now about our defense. We ended up being actually better.

While I may be a thoughtful guy I admit my thoughts are always what can go wrong. That is how I am wired and that is the way I have to think professionally.

With that being said my bull case for this team seems to be most people's base case. My base case for the team is around .500 and if I post my bear case (maybe 30% probability of happening) I'd be villafied (sp?) more than I am now.

Hopefully no one thinks my negativeness makes me any less of a fan of the program. Doesn't mean that a player or 2 didn't get me real agitated last year from an effort standpoint.

Thank you for your honest insight.

I personally do not mistake your negativity and your devotion to R Hoops. You are a big fan. You just look at things differently SOMETIMES, but thoughtful, pragmatic differing opinions are important for great conversation.

Professionally, are you either an Financial Advisor or Financial Analyst?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Thank you for your honest insight.

I personally do not mistake your negativity and your devotion to R Hoops. You are a big fan. You just look at things differently SOMETIMES, but thoughtful, pragmatic differing opinions are important for great conversation.

Professionally, are you either an Financial Advisor or Financial Analyst?

Possibly

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

When you make your assessments you make judgements about how much players in the program will advance, how transfers and frosh will pan out. There is, obviously, a ton of educated guess work there. At what point does the guesswork start to be influenced by reports from Pike and others about how the team and players are actually developing?

I am most worried about our returning players. I am expecting a few of the newcomers will make big impacts.

Obviously there are a ton of unknowns and X factors. If Ron and Geo are motivated, healthy, in shape, good teammates, and hit shots I like our chances of being in the mix.

 

[Scarlet83]

Possibly

LOL! What is this possibly crap! Are you an Advisor or Analyst? I know it’s one or the other.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

LOL! What is this possibly crap! Are you an Advisor or Analyst? I know it’s one or the other.

My advice is that you are warm

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

I am most worried about our returning players. I am expecting a few of the newcomers will make big impacts.

Obviously there are a ton of unknowns and X factors. If Ron and Geo are motivated, healthy, in shape, good teammates, and hit shots I like our chances of being in the mix.

One aspect people don't factor into the equation is the opponents. You can't only look at Rutgers in a bubble. Just as Rutgers is experiencing change within the program so are others. Players transfer out and in as well as the development of existing players in the program. It has to be an apple for Apple to get a solid read on how Rutgers may perform.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

One aspect people don't factor into the equation is the opponents. You can't only look at Rutgers in a bubble. Just as Rutgers is experiencing change within the program so are others. Players transfer out and in as well as the development of existing players in the program. It has to be an apple for Apple to get a solid read on how Rutgers may perform.

If everyone plays hard and is on the same page and makes shots it doesn’t matter what the apples or oranges are

 

[Scarlet83]

My advice is that you are warm

LOL!! I am in the top row of section 105 at the RAC. It would be great to shake your hand and meet you.

 

[Plum Street]

I guess it's no different than some of the experts on the football forum. They criticize the recruiting even though none of them have played or coached on any level. Yet they are the most knowledgeable people around.

But we are usually right ! Well, some of us anyway . Go figure

 

[mikeyoc]

I will be very happy if we never hear another word about Eugene what’s his name again. That crap he pulled after we just announced a game in a foreign country FOR HIM was pathetic.

And he would be in the dustbin of basketball history if RU hadn't recruited him

 

[knight82]

I just looked at the title of this thread and thought if Dick Weiss is on this year's team, especially if he gets playing time, we in big trouble

 

[RUPete]

LOL! What is this possibly crap! Are you an Advisor or Analyst? I know it’s one or the other.

I was thinking he was in risk management or an actuary. Possibly emergency preparedness?

 

[RU_DIO]

Whenever I see a picture of Hoops Weiss, I always think of this clip.

 

[BigRnj]

That’s great. Doesnt change 1 bit that his statement means very little to me.

Just clarifying… McDonald didn’t state anything (he donated $1M), Weiss observed the practice and made the statement about RU being better than last year.

Glad to hear that from Weiss, he has actual hoops cred, perhaps you do as well, but for now you are just an Eeyore on a message board

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Most talking heads don’t know Rutgers basketball as much as many on this message board. I don’t know about Weiss. We watch every minute of every game and know more than most the inner dynamic of the team. We folllow every recruit and know their stories.

 

[Plum Street]

I am surprised dick Weiss is still around . Used to read him when I was in nyc a lot and actually bought a newspaper . That was a long long time ago !

 

[RUDutch]

My advice is that you are warm

Meteorologist?

 

[Westcoast]

It seems an insane disproportionate number of classic basketball stories come from the Palestra. I have more vivid memories of the 1989 A10 semi there than I do the final at the RAC vs. Penn State. I can still see Craig Carter hanging in the air in the lane for the game-winner vs. Temple that made John Chaney absolutely meltdown in the post game presser. I used to have a videotape of the game showing me run on the floor but it disappeared.

That was an amazing night with PSU defeating WVU before our game everyone knew a win against Temple and we would host the championship game. And thus "Back To The RAC!" Was born.
I was at that press conference when Chaney melted down. It was so intense in the press room no one said anything as Chaney ranted like a possessed lunatic. He was livid about the lane violation call on Mark Macon. I wanted to point out that it was the right call but I was afraid for my life and said nothing. Lol I don't recall any reporter asking Chaney a single question. Too afraid.

 

[CranfordKnight]

Most talking heads don’t know Rutgers basketball as much as many on this message board. I don’t know about Weiss. We watch every minute of every game and know more than most the inner dynamic of the team. We folllow every recruit and know their stories.

Look, we know you are not as optimistic about the team as others, but Weiss clearly said he attended practice and is basing his opinion on what he's observed. It's another data point among several indicating the team may be better than many think based on limited information we read online. So unless you've also attended practice, he's working with a lot more information than you, as an acknowledged cbb expert with more access than you.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Look, we know you are not as optimistic about the team as others, but Weiss clearly said he attended practice and is basing his opinion on what he's observed. It's another data point among several indicating the team may be better than many think based on limited information we read online. So unless you've also attended practice, he's working with a lot more information than you, as an acknowledged cbb expert with more access than you.

Having access to attend 1 practice means almost nothing. Does he have the pulse on the precise issues and worries off the team? Did he see Geo and Ron have to defend B1G starters? Did he glean whether Cliff would stay out of foul trouble or if Agee can defend opposing B1G 5s?

Every year there is optimism. Every year there are 2 to 3 players that look great and are ready for great seasons. I don't think there is any correlation to that preseason hype and how the player performs.

My favorite was going in to JR Inman's junior year how he was going to have a monster year because of how great shape he was in. Memory fuzzy, but he trained with someone in California running on beaches.

2019-20 the talk was how good Montez was looking and how he was going to have monster sophomore year.

What year did we go in to where there was no optimism?

 

[knight82]

Look, we know you are not as optimistic about the team as others, but Weiss clearly said he attended practice and is basing his opinion on what he's observed. It's another data point among several indicating the team may be better than many think based on limited information we read online. So unless you've also attended practice, he's working with a lot more information than you, as an acknowledged cbb expert with more access than you.

you might as well give up. This guy just doesn't want to hear anything positive said about this team

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

you might as well give up. This guy just doesn't want to hear anything positive said about this team

That is silly. It just shouldn’t shape people’s expectations as much as they have.

 

[kcg88]

That is silly. It just shouldn’t shape people’s expectations as much as they have.

To be fair neither should Bart Torvik's computer.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

To be fair neither should Bart Torvik's computer.

I slightly disagree with this. Yes numbers don't tell the whole story, but it is unemotional and based on the past sprinkled in with a little forecasting.

Plus.....if bart and kenpoms numbers were so off then why do Las Vegas numbers often times fit pretty tight to what bart and ken say.

Your point is taken though and not without merit.

 

[GM]

I slightly disagree with this. Yes numbers don't tell the whole story, but it is unemotional and based on the past sprinkled in with a little forecasting.

Plus.....if bart and kenpoms numbers were so off then why do Las Vegas numbers often times fit pretty tight to what bart and ken say.

Your point is taken though and not without merit.

I’d say their numbers are accurate once the season starts, but I wouldn’t call them accurate for the preseason

 

[fluoxetine]

I’d say their numbers are accurate once the season starts, but I wouldn’t call them accurate for the preseason

Accuracy is relative.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I’d say their numbers are accurate once the season starts, but I wouldn’t call them accurate for the preseason

for sure....When I look at bart I think they are overestimating our defense and underrating our offense.

I thought the same thing last year, but bart was right

 

[RUInsanityToo]

That is silly. It just shouldn’t shape people’s expectations as much as they have.

Why shouldn't it? Just because you treat this program as of it was your own personal risk assessment pet project doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

I imagine must be difficult as a fan, planning for every possibility that can go wrong and waiting for that sigh of relief if things dont go as badly as possible potential outcomes might dictate.

The glass half full side is beckoning. Sure there is always a chance of dissapointment, but the ride can be oh so much sweeter and you might even get to stop and smell the roses once on a while.

 

[CranfordKnight]

Having access to attend 1 practice means almost nothing. Does he have the pulse on the precise issues and worries off the team? Did he see Geo and Ron have to defend B1G starters? Did he glean whether Cliff would stay out of foul trouble or if Agee can defend opposing B1G 5s?

Every year there is optimism. Every year there are 2 to 3 players that look great and are ready for great seasons. I don't think there is any correlation to that preseason hype and how the player performs.

My favorite was going in to JR Inman's junior year how he was going to have a monster year because of how great shape he was in. Memory fuzzy, but he trained with someone in California running on beaches.

2019-20 the talk was how good Montez was looking and how he was going to have monster sophomore year.

What year did we go in to where there was no optimism?

You are not arguing in good faith. You are taking Weiss' observations in.a vacuum when there are other examples of the team looking good this year, and comparing it to some random anecdotes across several years posted my unnamed overzealous message board posters. All in service to a bunch of computer models known to have significant flaws and almost no predictive value.

 

[fluoxetine]

Why shouldn't it? Just because you treat this program as of it was your own personal risk assessment pet project doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

I imagine must be difficult as a fan, planning for every possibility that can go wrong and waiting for that sigh of relief if things dont go as badly as possible potential outcomes might dictate.

The glass half full side is beckoning. Sure there is always a chance of dissapointment, but the ride can be oh so much sweeter and you might even get to stop and smell the roses once on a while.

There is a flip side to this though. If we lose some early season game a ton of the “optimists” here will have meltdowns and suddenly become super pessimists. How quickly the (insane) mood of this board of last February and early March is forgotten. You won’t find Greene doing that.

 

[CranfordKnight]

There is a flip side to this though. If we lose some early season game a ton of the “optimists” here will have meltdowns and suddenly become super pessimists. How quickly the (insane) mood of this board of last February and early March is forgotten. You won’t find Greene doing that.

You know there are receipts, right? I did a quick search (took less than 10 seconds). After the St. Bonaventure loss and the SFA win in '19 GRF put us down for at most 3-4 Big Ten wins. Stop making him seem like some level-headed unbiased analyst. It's just schtick. He's like the bb board anti-Rutgers Al with a Bart Torvik infatuation.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

You are not arguing in good faith. You are taking Weiss' observations in.a vacuum when there are other examples of the team looking good this year, and comparing it to some random anecdotes across several years posted my unnamed overzealous message board posters. All in service to a bunch of computer models known to have significant flaws and almost no predictive value.

What was the most important person to have a good strength and conditioning off-season? If this player had a good S&C offseason I think we would have heard about it. Photos can be deceiving, but it didn’t look like it has happened.

You always hear about the good. No one is going to talk about the bad, except maybe for people like Tom Izzo.

 

[fluoxetine]

You know there are receipts, right? I did a quick search (took less than 10 seconds). After the St. Bonaventure loss and the SFA win in '19 GRF put us down for at most 3-4 Big Ten wins. Stop making him seem like some level-headed unbiased analyst. It's just schtick. He's like the bb board anti-Rutgers Al with a Bart Torvik infatuation.

Maybe quote the post if it’s so damning, but predicting 4-16 in the big ten at that point in that season was maybe pessimistic but not completely unreasonable.

you are calling someone who predicts a 16-15 record the “anti-rutgers al”. I think that says more about how over the top optimistic the current tone on this board is than I ever could.

I don’t want to hear any of you whining if we go 17-14