Ray Rice - too soon?
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Ha ha ha ha ha. No. Pure nonsense.
The only thing Trump is capable of loving is himself. He epitomizes sociopathic narcissism.
Offshoring jobs is a result of the globalization of economies. The incredibly high US corporate tax rate accelerated that and every President has acknowledged it needed to come down for us to be able to compete globally. Taxes on the middle class were lower because people didn't demand so many entitlements from the government. Too many people have bought into the "get free stuff from the government" mentality. Nothing is free. We all pay for it. Raise taxes for more free stuff has never been, and will never be, the right answer to bring prosperity to more Americans. Before this pandemic, more people were working, and working people were benefitting the most. Now, we're four years away from Medicare insolvency, and the new batch in Congress is lining up at the trough saying "It's my turn!" to spend trillions we don't have without a thought to fund the programs we already owe trillions to.
OK, then you're good. It's now a Jameer Campbell Jersey.
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Although the thread has gone sour, it's great to see graystork posting. It's been awhile.
Ray made a huge mistake while drunk off his ***.. Ray paid a huge price for his mistake by being pretty much the only NFL player, ever, to be black balled from the game for his indiscretion. The NFL welcomes back rapists, domestic abusers, & players who beat their kids...who have done nothing to try to redeem themselves...every year, yet the only guy who truly tried to right his wong was never allowed back on the field. Traces of Ray were removed from everywhere at Rutgers & the Hale Center.
Ray did everything right to correct this mistake. Counseling. Anger management. He went around the country lecturing other teams about his mistake & why players need to do better. Ray married the woman he hit because she forgave him. Ray is back on the walls at RU & is a welcomed alumni at the stadium. Ray was at Schiano's welcome back party & posed for photos with dozens of fans...myself included.
As a woman and the mother of a daughter I say Wear the jersey.
Ray did everything right to correct this mistake. Counseling. Anger management. He went around the country lecturing other teams about his mistake & why players need to do better. Ray married the woman he hit because she forgave him. Ray is back on the walls at RU & is a welcomed alumni at the stadium. Ray was at Schiano's welcome back party & posed for photos with dozens of fans...myself included.
As a woman and the mother of a daughter I say Wear the jersey.
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I was apprehensive when I found out Ray was with a girl (he was calling her when she was 16) from Mt Vernon. Ray's New Rochelle, and his wife's Mt Vernon - are violent rivals. Mt Vernon (home of Denzel Washington) often had fights between students and teams. Some Football games between the rivals had fans locked out, and only police were in stands. NewRo VS Mt Vernon is the municipal version of Capulets and Montagues
Hinckley is being released as is Sirhan Sirhan.
Time to let Ray run North - South ...for Rutgers again!
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I didn’t read half the comments.
Just going to give my opinion. And most people that know me know I am a huge advocate again many thing such as domestic violence.
Ray did something that deserved punishment. He did it in a very public way. I would have to assume it was not the only time he did something like that. But…he paid dearly for his actions, never tried to make an excuse, Dodd not hide from it, apologized, and has openly talked about it, not only when questioned and not only when forced to…he still talks to youth about what he did and that others should be better then that.
his wife is still with him and from all accounts, it has not happened again.
People make mistakes, people do things we should not do. It is what you do after that makes the difference.
Wear his jersey and do not be ashamed to do so. His story has a good ending.
Just going to give my opinion. And most people that know me know I am a huge advocate again many thing such as domestic violence.
Ray did something that deserved punishment. He did it in a very public way. I would have to assume it was not the only time he did something like that. But…he paid dearly for his actions, never tried to make an excuse, Dodd not hide from it, apologized, and has openly talked about it, not only when questioned and not only when forced to…he still talks to youth about what he did and that others should be better then that.
his wife is still with him and from all accounts, it has not happened again.
People make mistakes, people do things we should not do. It is what you do after that makes the difference.
Wear his jersey and do not be ashamed to do so. His story has a good ending.
You're right. Initially none of us would be on his side.
But then, when our daughter forvives him, when we see the work he does to make it right, to better himself & others & when we know that our grandkids need their father we would forgive, but not forget.
It's OK to wear the jersey
You, yes. Me, no.
A few high profiles athletes come to mind who've 'probably' committed serious crimes (because not convicted) and I am sure their universities don't feature them. You know who they are.
It might not be the best analogy because Ray's crime was less serious than the above, but still inexcusable.
There plenty of other RU athletes or other reps without the baggage who deserve it. Why feature him ? Are we that desperate ?
Would you be OK with a statue of him too ?
A few high profiles athletes come to mind who've 'probably' committed serious crimes (because not convicted) and I am sure their universities don't feature them. You know who they are.
It might not be the best analogy because Ray's crime was less serious than the above, but still inexcusable.
There plenty of other RU athletes or other reps without the baggage who deserve it. Why feature him ? Are we that desperate ?
Would you be OK with a statue of him too ?
In the student section on Saturday, there was a kid standing up and imploring the crowd to start a "free Ray Rice" chant. No one bit. Not sure if it was because that would have looked awful, or because none of the students know who Ray Rice is.
Personallly, I wouldn't wear a 27 jersey, but that's because I try not to bring too much attention to myself, and wearing that would be inviting public scrutiny. I'm in the forgive Ray camp, because I think he's paid enough and has worked to become a better person, but it's exhausting to have to make that point over and over.
Personallly, I wouldn't wear a 27 jersey, but that's because I try not to bring too much attention to myself, and wearing that would be inviting public scrutiny. I'm in the forgive Ray camp, because I think he's paid enough and has worked to become a better person, but it's exhausting to have to make that point over and over.
I’m going to bet that plenty of people in Miami wear Ray Lewis Jerseys still.
Our Ray did some reprehensible and punishable. But there are times that a person can do something like that and turn their life around and use it to make a difference for good.
I can hate what he did but celebrate what he has done since. I do believe in forgiveness. And I feel good about myself that I can do so.
Disagree! This guy has more than paid the price…. And no one is a bigger fan and believer in Ray Rice than his wife, Janay. That’s good enough for me.
He NEVER had a history of a problem before! And not a single problem whatsoever since. Get over it and move on. Ray and Janay Rice have.
I can't recall whether it was the tOSU or MSU home game, but Ray was on the SHI Stadium video board saying hello to Scarlet Knight nation. I was very happy to only hear cheers when the video was posted. Ray has more than paid the price for what he did, and F the hypocritical NFL for not giving him another chance.
They have 2. A daughter they had pre-incident and a son born post incident. A happy family who have clearly worked hard on overcoming their issues
Ray & his wife continue to give back to their communities as well
Others have done far worse and treated way less sternly.
Rothlisberger - still in the league AFAIK.
Kobe Bryant - Deified
The list goes on.
Now of course I don't condone hitting a woman but Rice fans should wear the jersey if they want. Ray is fully rehabbed as a person.
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Yep. I was happy to see him on the screen. And was happy to hear the cheers.
Hm. Not so sure about that in this case.
Seems to me that people who hit loved ones are demonstrably more dangerous than those who do not hit loved ones, regardless of any holier than thou attitude the non-hitters might be perceived as exhibiting.
And, let's be real here. People who don't hit their loved ones are actually behaving holier than those who do hit their loved ones, at least with respect to that one specific behavior.
Not that I don't think quietly leading by example is usually better than leading by preaching. I do. But although annoying, I'm not seeing where the "danger" lies with being self-righteous about not hitting one's loved ones.
That having been said. I have no particular feelings about Ray Rice at all beyond the fact that he was really good running back for RU. I'm not feeling particularly inclined to either forgive or not forgive him. I figure it's mostly between him and his family and I don't need to get involved.
well we've accepted homosexuality as normal and given the stats, this is far more 'normal' than that. Let's see of people understand that statement
My point stands, the reaction to this was overboard, too many karens with an opinion living in glass houses and he's paid his price. I'm more concerned with the guys selling drugs on the streets than this 'one off' event where his family has moved past it. It's none of my business given the current state
Yeah, I do not understand your first two sentences above. For one thing, the "this" (in this is far more normal) is ambiguous. For another, it looks like you're trying to form an analogy. But if "this" means "punching a loved one in the face", then the analogy is very flawed.
She was running at him intoxicated, raised fist with the intent to hit him, when he hit her. They were in an enclosed space (an elevator) so it's not like he could just leave or retreat. He hit her once and only once and it effectively ended her attack. I'm a true feminist; I believe women that are attempting to physically batter someone should be treated exactly the same way as a man who is attempting to physically batter someone should be treated.
Sure, she behaved poorly, too. But to say that Rice had no other choice but to punch her in the face the way we all watched him do on video? That's just ridiculous. He's a professional football player who had been training intensely for over a decade and could've easily defended himself without punching her in the face the way he did.
I don't have any problem with people forgiving him or not. I actually don't care; it's none of my business.
But trying to defend his actions is a non-starter.
I'm not saying he had "no other choices"; I'm saying the choice he made was perfectly reasonable and defensible. And that's why he wasn't prosecuted; the prosecutor knew this (and I said it at the time).
No one in the world is required to be a human punching bag simply because they have extraordinary athletic ability and someone else in a protected class decides to get drunk and start a consequence-free assault and battery.
If that was a man running at Ray Rice in an elevator with the intent to strike him (even if it was Billy Barty), the entirety of this message board would have applauded him for ending the attack as quickly as he did.
"There are no feminists in a house fire." - Bill Burr
The fact that his wife wasn't a man is irrelevant to me. This was a guy who could run through two 325 pound super-fit NFL defensive lineman. How much do you figure his wife weighed? How much could she bench press or dead lift?
You don't think he could've got her spun around facing the wall, shoved her up against the wall, and kept her there until he could get away? He could've done the same with a similarly weaker male. And if he couldn't, a slap would've sufficed to stun and then restrain her. A punch in the face was overkill and unneeded for him.
What Rice did was despicable and disgusting, no two ways about it.
His fiancee at time ( wife now ) being drunk and possibly causing Ray to hit her is no excuse.
Two wrongs still don't make a right especially if that right hits someone .
But from everything I've heard about Ray Rice after that has been his being involved in fighting the same thing he did and speaking out against it.
Rice seems to be willing to accept he was wrong, worked to change from a domestic abuser type intro a man trying to help people not to be the way he was when he beat on his woman.
I'll say Ray deserves a break now , because he worked on becoming a better person and is speaking out trying to help others do the same.
So Ray Rice deserves to be re-admitted into the Rutgers family and respected for the way he changed into a better person that tries to help others do the same.
His fiancee at time ( wife now ) being drunk and possibly causing Ray to hit her is no excuse.
Two wrongs still don't make a right especially if that right hits someone .
But from everything I've heard about Ray Rice after that has been his being involved in fighting the same thing he did and speaking out against it.
Rice seems to be willing to accept he was wrong, worked to change from a domestic abuser type intro a man trying to help people not to be the way he was when he beat on his woman.
I'll say Ray deserves a break now , because he worked on becoming a better person and is speaking out trying to help others do the same.
So Ray Rice deserves to be re-admitted into the Rutgers family and respected for the way he changed into a better person that tries to help others do the same.
I have a Baltimore Ravens #27 Rice t-shirt. I wore it once. I think he made a terrible mistake and it was caught on video for the world to see. There are current NFL players who have done worse but there's no video. The NFL should have given him another chance after a 2 year suspension and absolutely no other criminal acts etc. RU should bring him on as a RB coach. What he did was terrible, but what about the virtue of forgiveness.
Maybe; maybe not ... it's completely irrelevant to me because HE DID NOT HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO. Nobody has a responsibility to get physically assaulted by a drunk and just stand there and take it. That's not just my opinion, that's the legal standard. And let's not pretend that a slap to the face, or the bruised arms from restraining her, or any other form of physical response to her behavior would have been treated any differently by the media and/or casual public.
Mike Rice hit a male adult in the head with a basketball ACCIDENTALLY during a basketball practice and the media acted like he was hitting him with a baton.
I don't know that we're getting any closer to agreement. You keep saying "stand there and take it". But I am not saying anybody should stand there and take it.
I'm saying that it's possible to subdue a person, especially a drunk person, and protect oneself without punching that person in the face. Male or female, doesn't matter. In fact, generally speaking, I would advise people to NOT punch other people in the face. There are more effective approaches that don't risk breaking one's hand. A lesson I learned the hard way when young. Twice (for a total of 5 bones), because I am apparently a slow learner.
And whatever the media might do is irrelevant to me. I have no control over that. I do have control over how I choose to defend myself when attacked.
A am a fan of Ray's and do not condone what he did or thought reaction of the public was too harsh. Reaction by the league was out of control though. R Lewis, Ben R will most likely be in the HOF with most of their careers after their much worse transgressions. Even G Hardy who I hear made those two plus Hernandez look like saints.
Ray paid a price and it looks like he turned his life around. It has nothing to do with Karens. I can honestly have the opinion that Ray's was most likely not a one off at that time. That doesnt come out of nowhere. But this is a 'game' that teaches violence from the day you start playing it. For some of the guys, turning that off when they walk off the field does not always happen. It sometimes takes hitting your lowest point. He did and it is nice to see he never hid from it and now lives a wonderful life and gives back.
But don't ever downplay what he did. It was violent and it was as scary as it gets. But we can all forgive.