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I had the same reaction. Also, what a horrible story. Not Politi's writing. But the whole thing is depressing and ugly.
Remember when this story got national coverage. On the Basketball Board, it was said he was a walk on who played 3 games in 2012-13, for a total of 3 minutes and an accumulated state line of just 1 assist in garbage time.
But our vaunted NJ newspaper touts him in the headlines as "an ex-Rutgers athlete." Not inaccurate, but a real stretch as a Rutgers association. Politi and NJ.com never fail to do this.
 

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Remember when this story got national coverage. On the Basketball Board, it was said he was a walk on who played 3 games in 2012-13, for a total of 3 minutes and an accumulated state line of just 1 assist in garbage time.
But our vaunted NJ newspaper touts him in the headlines as "an ex-Rutgers athlete." Not inaccurate, but a real stretch as a Rutgers association. Politi and NJ.com never fail to do this.
I think that Rutgers hook increases the interest in the story by 10X. So I don't think they can avoid noting that.
 
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Win and it shuts people up. Very simple.
It doesn't, really. During Schiano's first stint at RU, the worst hatchet jobs from the NJ media happened after RU started having winning seasons and going to bowl games, and eventually caused Mulcahy to resign. As I recall, some posters took out a full page ad in the Star Ledger refuting their false anti-RU reporting.
 
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Politi wants a story.

He wanted Greg back because he knows GS would make us respectable.

During GS 1.0 Politi got to write about whether we'd win another game to get to a better bowl for example

Writing about whether we get to 7-8-9 wins is definitely better for him than writing about getting blown out again in the Flood/Ash errors. More clicks.

And bowl games are more clicks too. Look at the NCAAs last year, even if they have to work more, they were loving the gut punch of the Houston game.
 
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Also can we please STOP with the Flood "rehabilitation"

Princeton library was disqualifying

If you don't care about off the field stuff we can talk about getting blown out by Houston, blowing the Pitt game when we could have won the BE, Kent State, one B1G win in 2015

Lord there are so many options

i can't understand why he deserves a defense...
 

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Also can we please STOP with the Flood "rehabilitation"

Princeton library was disqualifying

If you don't care about off the field stuff we can talk about getting blown out by Houston, blowing the Pitt game when we could have won the BE, Kent State, one B1G win in 2015

Lord there are so many options

i can't understand why he deserves a defense...
Even with all that, if RU doesn't blow a 2TD lead to a Louisville team led by an injured Teddy Bridgewater at home, he goes to the Orange Bowl and is probably here for at least 7 years.
 

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It doesn't, really. During Schiano's first stint at RU, the worst hatchet jobs from the NJ media happened after RU started having winning seasons and going to bowl games, and eventually caused Mulcahy to resign. As I recall, some posters took out a full page ad in the Star Ledger refuting their false anti-RU reporting.

We won under schiano but we did not WIN under schiano. Our best season was fun and great and felt good but we blew two opportunities to go to a BCS bowl and win the conference. We went to a mediocre bowl.
 

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NJ.com actually paid for Politi to travel to Mexico for this story? Thought they were running on empty.


I credit Politi for not using "Rutgers" in his tweet, and assume it's Manahan who wrote the headline for that story.

It's Manahan - I believe - who'll throw Rutgers into the trashcan if he thinks he'll get more clicks out of it. There is absolutely no reason for "Rutgers" to appear in that headline, other than to tart it up for a NJ audience.
 
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Remember when this story got national coverage. On the Basketball Board, it was said he was a walk on who played 3 games in 2012-13, for a total of 3 minutes and an accumulated state line of just 1 assist in garbage time.
But our vaunted NJ newspaper touts him in the headlines as "an ex-Rutgers athlete." Not inaccurate, but a real stretch as a Rutgers association. Politi and NJ.com never fail to do this.
Sportswriters rarely - if ever - write their own headlines.
 

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NJ.com actually paid for Politi to travel to Mexico for this story? Thought they were running on empty.


Sad to say: stories like this get more interest than feel good stories about someone doing a needed service to help another overcome the odds.
So NJO.com probably figured the cost of the trip would be covered by the interest it brought forth , helping their bottom line more than hurting it.
 

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We won under schiano but we did not WIN under schiano. Our best season was fun and great and felt good but we blew two opportunities to go to a BCS bowl and win the conference. We went to a mediocre bowl.
I doubt that the narrative would have changed even if Schiano won more. The agenda of the Star Ledger and other NJ media isn't to just criticize RU athletics when they aren't successful. It's to poison the environment to the point where no success can ever happen. This is why the narrative morphed from Sid Dorfman's "Rutgers belongs in the Ivy League because they can't compete with the football factories" wet dreams to inaccurate and often untrue "investigations" of athletics spending. Once Schiano proved that RU could compete and win, it didn't shut the critics up. It just changed the subject of the criticism.
 
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Pathetic. Maybe they should switch to being hourly if they're going to be that petty. Go cover elections and public meetings then; get out of sports journalism.
If you'd ask somebody who actually is a beat writer - not forming wildly-inaccurate opinions based off of the foolishness that somebody who isn't one told you - you'd know that beat writers generally work through any in-season holidays regardless of whether the team is the defending champion or winless. Christmas, New Year's, Easter, etc. Only real difference of course is there might be a few weeks added leeway for days off if the team doesn't make the playoffs (or bowl game, etc).
 
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To redirect this string back to where it started - this week’s episode of the Rant directly addresses fans reaction to that article. Their tone throughout towards Schiano and RU football is overly positive across the board. All of them agreed that overall Schiano and his staff called a great game and one play call doesn’t define game day coaching. Kratch adjusted his prediction to 7-5. Then they debate whether this was Rutgers best defensive effort yet in the BIG (or the Purdue game in 2017).

 

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To redirect this string back to where it started - this week’s episode of the Rant directly addresses fans reaction to that article. Their tone throughout towards Schiano and RU football is overly positive across the board. All of them agreed that overall Schiano and his staff called a great game and one play call doesn’t define game day coaching. Kratch adjusted his prediction to 7-5. Then they debate whether this was Rutgers best defensive effort yet in the BIG (or the Purdue game in 2017).

I don't read the drivel on NJ.com, mostly because it is behind a paywall and partly because I don't care what they write, and I can't stand listening to Politi, so I will not listen to the podcast. IMO, there is much better content out there, including what is written here on this site, onthebanks, app.com (same as northjersey.com and mycentraljersey.com) and elsewhere.

That said, the negative slant seems more in the headlines, which are generally not written by the article authors, and maybe a few words or sentences are being taken out of context. So maybe their written word is being overly scrutinized for a sentence or two, and they come across as more positive in their podcast. Have seen this debate in business settings where it is often better to communicate a message verbally in person (best), by phone (better) than by e-mail (worst) because there is the concern the e-mail may be perceived as too negative.
 
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I don't read the drivel on NJ.com, mostly because it is behind a paywall and partly because I don't care what they write, and I can't stand listening to Politi, so I will not listen to the podcast. IMO, there is much better content out there, including what is written here on this site, onthebanks, app.com (same as northjersey.com and mycentraljersey.com) and elsewhere.
Fair enough, though it should be noted that most podcast listeners are probably not tuning in for the same reason that one would read the articles from the sources you are comparing them to.

When your stuck with a regular commute to and from NYC - there’s only so much music you can listen to. The Rant is the only regular weekly podcast that’s all about Rutgers sports (the other outlets host RU podcasts here and there but not as regularly and even still - I’ve got over 10 hours to kill every week). The Rant is the only consistent RU listening option so I enjoy it. If I didn’t have a daily round trip commute of 3+ hours I probably wouldn’t tune in either.
 

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Fair enough, though it should be noted that most podcast listeners are probably not tuning in for the same reason that one would read the articles from the sources you are comparing them to.

When your stuck with a regular commute to and from NYC - there’s only so much music you can listen to. The Rant is the only regular weekly podcast that’s all about Rutgers sports (the other outlets host RU podcasts here and there but not as regularly and even still - I’ve got over 10 hours to kill every week). The Rant is the only consistent RU listening option so I enjoy it. If I didn’t have a daily round trip commute of 3+ hours I probably wouldn’t tune in either.
The one done by the Gannett crew (app.com/northjersey/mycentral Jersey) has not been bad. It is called "The Chop." The link says: New episodes are available every Wednesday throughout the season. Be sure to follow The Chop on iTunes, SoundCloud, Spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.

I don't have any hatred/dislike for NJ.com. Politi has a squeaky or high-pitched voice which I can't listen to.

 

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The one done by the Gannett crew (app.com/northjersey/mycentral Jersey) has not been bad. It is called "The Chop." The link says: New episodes are available every Wednesday throughout the season. Be sure to follow The Chop on iTunes, SoundCloud, Spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.

I don't have any hatred/dislike for NJ.com. Politi has a squeaky or high-pitched voice which I can't listen to.

Cool - I didn’t know about this one. Always on the hunt for new ones to kill the time in traffic. Lately I’ve been checking out the national ones a bit too to see if we get a mention here and there.
 

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Cool - I didn’t know about this one. Always on the hunt for new ones to kill the time in traffic. Lately I’ve been checking out the national ones a bit too to see if we get a mention here and there.
The guys here, @Richard Schnyderite and @ChrisNalwasky did one that was on YouTube/ last week that was terrific too. They had Gio on.




There is also this one, not sure if it can be found on podcast sites

 
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Give me greg from 6pm last Saturday to 3:29 pm Saturday. Give me Flood from 3:30 Saturday til 7pm. Let Greg take it from 7:01 Saturday this week til 3:29 Saturday, then give me Flood,

would be the perfect coach for RU
That’s not how the game is played
 

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You have to just love two A-holes who never played or coached anything beyond scrub level commenting and/or second guessing guys who clearly are respected professionals. While you can question the wisdom of not punting at the end of the first half and decide that that cost you 3 pts. The score is still 17-13 at the end of the game, unless the Star Ledger dorks have discovered a new math, it simply was a non factor at the end of day.
 

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People only do what they are incentivized to do.

Politi gets paid on clicks --> incentivize is to do whatever it takes for clicks

Good Rutgers team --> more interest from public in team --> more clicks on stories both good and bad.

Thus he can both want GS to make RU respectable while still searching for controversial angles on the team that drive clicks.

I don't like Politi. But this is a case of "don't hate the player, hate the game".
 
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That being said, Politi if you're reading this (he definitely is):

If your dream is for a national championship caliber team that is constantly mired in controversy, you should have pushed for Urban!
 
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So he’s one of those fans who loves the team but also is an insufferable critic of it? We have enough of those.
He’s not a fan but his job is much more enjoyable and interesting if he’s writing about a competitive team. Not sure why some people have such a hard time grasping that.
 

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Remember when this story got national coverage. On the Basketball Board, it was said he was a walk on who played 3 games in 2012-13, for a total of 3 minutes and an accumulated state line of just 1 assist in garbage time.
But our vaunted NJ newspaper touts him in the headlines as "an ex-Rutgers athlete."

Not inaccurate, but a real stretch as a Rutgers association. Politi and NJ.com never fail to do this.
I mentioned this in the other thread, but it bears repeating that "our vaunted NJ newspaper" didn't cite Rutgers in the headline. In the Ledger, it was:

"A former basketball standout, a brutal slaying and a desperate search for answers"​

It's important to distinguish that, 1) Politi didn't write the headline (I confirmed this), and 2) nj.com and the Star-Ledger are distinct entities with common ownership and a co-publishing agreement. We've got a similar deal out here with Hearst; the San Francisco Chronicle and sfgate.com have separate newsrooms, editors, etc., but the latter republishes some work from the former, with certain stories behind a paywall.
 

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It doesn't, really. During Schiano's first stint at RU, the worst hatchet jobs from the NJ media happened after RU started having winning seasons and going to bowl games, and eventually caused Mulcahy to resign. As I recall, some posters took out a full page ad in the Star Ledger refuting their false anti-RU reporting.
Yes, but that was not the sports guys, who supported RU. It was the news reporters.
 

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He’s not a fan but his job is much more enjoyable and interesting if he’s writing about a competitive team. Not sure why some people have such a hard time grasping that.

I was responding to a post that said Politi wants the team to win. If the only reason he wants the team to be competitive is to make his own job more enjoyable that paints him in a worse light than calling him a fan.

He’s not a reporter. He’s a columnist. What drudgery it would be for most columnists to cover a team on a daily basis and take no interest in its success unless it was to make their own job more interesting. But that could explain a lot about Politi and the tone of his writing.
 

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I was responding to a post that said Politi wants the team to win. If the only reason he wants the team to be competitive is to make his own job more enjoyable that paints him in a worse light than calling him a fan.

He’s not a reporter. He’s a columnist. What drudgery it would be for most columnists to cover a team on a daily basis and take no interest in its success unless it was to make their own job more interesting. But that could explain a lot about Politi and the tone of his writing.
I'm confident that's not the only reason he wants the team to be competitive. He's a Nutley native, no matter where he did his undergrad.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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He’s not a fan but his job is much more enjoyable and interesting if he’s writing about a competitive team. Not sure why some people have such a hard time grasping that.
This. But he and Sarge have also been covering RU for so long that it’s unimaginable that the 2 of them don’t genuinely want to see RU have a marquee season during their tenure. Just human nature at this point. Anyone would.