Liked him yes respected him no. Huge difference. They liked him because he let them get away with everything. There were no repercussions. The fact that that there were so many issues showed that they did not respect him.
Tales from the Ash
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Yep . The cool parent that didn’t discipline you or made you do your homework. Sometimes he even did the homework and chatted up the teachers for you !
I think some people just don't feel like the stories Vinny was telling were "inside" stories at all. Nothing really groundbreaking about a juggs machine or desserts next to the smoothie bar (frankly, I would expect every competent head coach in America to respond to the juggs machine the same way Ash did -- i.e. get pissed off about not having functional basic equipment and handle it by dealing with the guy in leadership who oversees all the equipment). Interesting stories for sure, but not breaking news.
I also don't think there's been a "shroud of mystery about Ash's blatant incompetence." We all observed his incompetence with our own eyes in plain sight. Nothing mysterious at all. Sure, the anecdotes are interesting to listen to -- again, just not groundbreaking info.
All that said, no one is offended, just maybe disagreeing a little. Keep doing what you're doing; it's cool stuff.
So you were aware that McNulty felt like his nuts were in a vice and frustration was boiling over, ala telling the captain of the team, "that's why you're the captain of the worst team in college football" ? You knew that story?
Specifically, no. Do I think football coaches get verbally aggressive & frustrated in practice when things aren't going well? Yes, I do.
I enjoyed it - particularly his response to the criticism aimed at him after Part I. Sometimes you need to hear these stories to validate what you thought all along and appreciate what we have now. I know that I am counting my blessings with this staff even more after hearing these shows.
I have heard not positive things about McNulty. Gleeson has a much different approach.
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Listened to part 1. Didn't think it was all that groundbreaking. Kinda basic stuff. Seemed like they were trying to make a mountain out of a molehill with the stories.
we know ash sucked.
The stories were somewhat normal.
we know ash sucked.
The stories were somewhat normal.
Yep. Urban is respected because he wins. Winning cures all. Amazing how much can be hidden when you put trophies in the case.
As far as the stories - I actually was more interested in your story about being in the scissor-lift during windy conditions. I am alarmed that you were afraid to tell your boss that you were worried about your safety.
The current video towers are safer but even they have wind limitations. Anyone who uses either lifts or towers should be trained to know what the limits are.
The current video towers are safer but even they have wind limitations. Anyone who uses either lifts or towers should be trained to know what the limits are.
Agreed. Many times when coaches call out captains it is meant to send a message to the rest of the team. Captain is Not necessarily the intended target. I am sure the first thing McNulty did after practice was call vanesky into his office to discuss.
but if that is the worst of it I heard worse from my 5-6th grade basketball coach.
Yeah - Grade manipulation probably goes on at lots of schools behind the scenes. Flood wasn’t smart about it and the professors general lack of support towards football certainly didn’t help matters.
Bottom line is Flood didnt know how to play politics or hold his players accountable - he was green. Didn’t know where to focus recruiting efforts and spent far too much time courting kids who were never going to come to RU. All of that’s true. But he also didn’t come in and try to reinvent the wheel on the success Schiano built the way Ash did from day one.
Just some context for you all... we've interviewed:
- Akwasi Yeboah
- Mike and Pete Tverdov
- Chas Dodd
- Kordell Young
- Zaire Kitchen
- Jacob Young
- Paul Mulcahy
- Joe Martinek
- Mo Toure
- Jr Inman
- Quincy Douby
- et al.
Tales of the Ash has SMOKED all these in terms of listens. SMOKED.
Take from that what you will.
- Akwasi Yeboah
- Mike and Pete Tverdov
- Chas Dodd
- Kordell Young
- Zaire Kitchen
- Jacob Young
- Paul Mulcahy
- Joe Martinek
- Mo Toure
- Jr Inman
- Quincy Douby
- et al.
Tales of the Ash has SMOKED all these in terms of listens. SMOKED.
Take from that what you will.
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For sure. It's being discussed. A lot. That's awesome for you, good stuff!
More people listening just means varying perspectives on what they're hearing, which is what you're seeing in this thread.
Let’s be honest, the story about Chris Ash laughing at Vinny for getting knocked over by a cold football was actually just proof that Chris Ash is in fact a normal human. Most relatable anecdote I’ve ever heard about Ash. We’d all laugh in that situation.
I'm also a bit unclear as to why there needs to be extremes rehashed as some type of differentiation on how Ash was devastating. Perhaps you can explain how does this actually help fans (or even the program) in a positive way? Maybe this can help those of us who transition forward to an optimistic view about the future and more easily drop off the baggage regarding misery of the past. To me the rehash about Ash is nothing more than a form of entertainment......not some type of critical need. As to the other guy who needs to constantly crow about his prediction from 3 years ago to perpetuate some deep rooted insecurity about needing to get a gold star for his "board cred" does not sound like someone I would want to hang with in the real world.
Already got the gold stars and the board cred! I am actually a lot more fun in the real world , if you can believe that !
You keep complaining about what I post, and then encourage me to keep posting. Talk about mixed messages.
Nonetheless, since I know anything I say will fly over your head again anyway, I will let you continue your Eastwoodian "legend in his own mind" silliness uninterrupted. In this thread, at least.
Why's that dangerous? Because he's irreverent? Who cares?! In America today we dump on everything. Nothing is sacrosanct. Why is Chris Ash off limits?
And that same question goes to everybody tracking this thread. When I have Chris Laviano on, and he dumps on Ash and the admin, am I gonna hear "oh well we knew all that already".
If you know all those...Tell those stories now, then. Prove it.
Has nothing to do with Chris Ash.
It's dangerous because he is young and starting out in life and does not have the track record or experience to compare to other circumstances. He was not a player or coach rather he was the equivalent of an intern. As a person that has been in the role of hirer/firer over my career. Vinny would not be someone I would look to hire.
We many times created scenarios that would be troublesome for our interns to see how they reacted. If they could solve the problem. How much time they wasted trying to solve the problem. How soon they would ask for assistance, or if they covered up the issue or made excuses. Vinny covered up a problem with the jugs machine and hoped it would work out and it didn't. As others have said that was a big waste of time not only for the 100 players in uniform but the staff that relied on the information he was keeping to himself.
That is why it is dangerous. Vinny is young and I am sure looking to start a career. I may be wrong but if I was interviewing Vinny and stumbled upon this podcast and listened to his story and the way that he comes across. He would be a hard pass. Not because he used the f-bomb 150 times but because he doesn't know what he doesn't know.
bs, absolute bs
he was there, has a view, interaction, was employed and his voice counts. Coaches and players loved ASH prior to his coming to RU and how did that work out. Don't have bigoted view of the source instead, weight the substance of the voice.
How old are you? Just curious? You sound a bit "out of touch". And what you suggested there may even be illegal from an HR perspective.
If you really would discriminate in a hiring process against a kid, who aired grievances on a podcast, after getting paid $7/hour to work for the worst football coach in (arguably) the history of the Big Ten, then that's on YOU dude. That's a YOU problem. Not a Vinny problem.
Yeah lets blacklist the guy who says what we all are thinking. What sense does that make?
Yes his voice counts and his voice should have been used to insure that time was not wasted.
Don't even know where bigot would come in to play?
As part of our hiring process we gave a voice to everyone from intern, janitor, secretary all the way up the line to partner. It's how you use that voice. I did weigh the substance of the voice and it doesn't carry much weight when he admits to wasting valuable time.
This all seems a bit too "reality TV" to me. Kind of like the drama that pervades high-school lunchrooms.
It gives off a bit of a mean-spirited smell. If Ash misbehaved as a coach, how does us gossiping about it now help anybody in any way? Is it cathartic for some people? Does bashing Ash, years after he's gone, make people feel better?
I don't see the point, myself. And I can't stand reality TV with all it's no-boundaries gossipy fake drama.
But again, each to their own. Have at him if it helps.
To be fair, they both had different starting points. There would have been very little reason for Flood to have reinvented the Schiano program that was a decade in the making (and which Flood himself was part for many of those years), while Ash was stuck with cleaning up Flood's mess and incapable to delivering success with that handicap.
OK. You say, "does bashing Ash, years after he's gone, make people feel better?"
#1) Yes.
#2) We never bashed him properly when he was fired because these stories were under lock and seal like the dang pentagon papers.
We get these cryptic pieces that don't mean or say anything. I wanna hear about Chris Ash from people that really know him. It's not enough to know, "players didn't like him".
OK, but why?! And did they not like him? Or did they hate his F&$%ing guts?
Out of touch hilarious. Mid-40's and definitely in touch with HR and what gets investigated when you are looking to make entry level to c-suite hires.
Illegal? How So?
You are getting hung up on Ash. This has nothing to do with Ash or grievances.
Any btw, if you want reality TV, then its the conversations off record I have w/ Vinny about Ash. Even I'm not gonna share those. This is sanitized.
OK well, I can tell ya Vinny will have no trouble getting hired. So it'll be OK!
Good that's what is important. Seems like a good kid. More worried he doesn't get viewed in the wrong light. I have heard of promising VC careers derailed by social media posts and videos.
Just curious, is Jacob Young second in # of listens and was it tops on the list until the Ash podcasts?
Those both had higher potential for juicy story (even you must have advertised as such and rightly so in order to push your content) and gossip material as it's human nature for many to observe or linger over a car wreck for the potential drama.
And the JY and Ash podcasts, along with maybe a couple others on the list, clearly have a currency factor that former student athletes from a decade or more ago do not.
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Sure - that first part is easy. It’s about revitalizing the RU brand by realizing that without Ash, RU very likely never would’ve become the national embarrassment that it did which in turn should help cultivate the (always cautious) optimism that fans should now have about the future.
When folks group Flood with Ash (which unfortunately continues to happen without a focus on how dreadful Ash truly was) they also crap a bit on Schiano’s legacy because Flood moved up the ranks successfully within Schiano’s system. IMO Flood’s career at RU should be remembered more positively as that of as a guy who did very well for us as a position coach, but was asked to step into a HC role before he was ready and consequently made some mistakes. Over time with Schiano being here, I think this will happen more and more anyway but separating the Ash era from Flood through these things helps too.