I said everyone (not projected in the starting 5) besides Agee has at least 3 years of eligibility remaining. That includes Hyatt.
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Technically, he is a sophomore with four years of eligibility remaining.
It remains to be seen who can get to the rim from the perimeter on this team. Offensively we need some guys to step up in the catch and shoot department. Hopefully we get some natural progression from the returning guys and Jones/Hyatt can give us a bit extra.
OK, I will bite. Why is the starting lineup bad news and so hard on the eyes?
He’s not high on Caleb’s game so basically any line up with him included him would’ve drawn this comment. He’s still convinced that if we had left things alone with the pre-season line up RHJ wouldn’t have seen a drop off (I.e. Caleb hurt Ron’s game) and we would’ve remained a top 15 team all year.
Not every recruit pans out or contributes, some get beaten out by other players. I don't know how this doesn't register with fans.....you have 13 ships, most teams play 9 or 10 players.
It’s very slow on and off the ball and unlikely to space well. Only one guy has a semblance of a 1 on 1 game from the perimeter and combining that with below average 3pt shooting.
Keep in mind, this is different than saying it’s not functional.
Look - if we need 3 point shooting to guide us in the pre-season cupcakes we’re in big trouble. If your Pike, it makes sense that you’d consider this line up of 4 guys who averaged 22+ minutes on a tourney team last year and Cliff as the most stable / reliable to open.
In those early games, Paul’s defensive issues shouldn’t be a problem and offense won’t be an issue either. Geo, Ron and Caleb can create their own shots just fine against mid major caliber teams.
Agreed. But he was supposed to be godsend in terms of perimeter shooting - something we sorely needed. Thus, it’s disappointing he hasn’t lived up to his billing.
I think you are overselling what Palmquist was, he was never billed as a lights out shooter....capable....?? Yes....lights out....no one is what I consider lights out, unless that player can do other things.
Palmquist, just like any other B1G caliber player who plays solid minutes, needs to be good in other areas beyond shooting anyway. Can he rebound, defend his position, can he handle the ball, create his own offense. There are other players on this roster that are better all-around offense/defense players.
The shooting item is overblown.....you need some other players to set up shooters and those players have to be quick/fast and able to push the ball to set up shooters. If a player is just a shooter and doesn't develop other aspects of his game, an opponent knows that and can stop that shooter anyway.
Starting 5 is the diner cake behind the glass
Ending 5 is the cake in your mouth
Kurt Rambis is not finishing a Laker game.
Ending 5 is the cake in your mouth
Kurt Rambis is not finishing a Laker game.
FWIW I loved last year, am a fan of our coach, our team, and our roster AND contemporaneously I wondered whether the addition of Caleb as he was bright in mid season hurt the chemistry of an over performing team.
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Rothstein's prediction of Baker, Mulcahy, McConnell, Harper, and Cliff Omoruyi is the politically safe starting 5 to start the season. Insiders (returning players) always have the edge over outsiders -even if the outsider have more upside. Frankly, I can't see Hyatt not getting starter minutes from game one since he is a better fit and is an opportunistic scorer. Jones also looks good to go so somebody is going to be unhappy. People talk about team chemistry have got to keep in mind that in any group of college aged players you're going to have factions, complaints, politics and ten guys who think they know more than the coach. I come from the POV that winning salves all wounds. I want to a lot of Hyatt, Jones, and Reiber in the OOC schedule. Happy lockeroom be damned.
Just curious how you can criticize the starting line up when we haven't even played a game yet to see a starting line up?
Jones is a frosh. He wasn’t going to be a starter off the bat.
You have absolutely no idea whether or not Hyatt is outperforming Caleb or Paul right now in practice for starter minutes. Nobody does. For such an “opportunistic scorer” in 53 games played, he’s scored double digits twice - not even in the same season and once was in garbage time (North Western State and St Boneventure). I think he’ll be a better fit here and I’m optimistic that he’ll do well, but to rag comparatively on the development of our incumbents seems unfair.
He is concerned that the listed starting 5 has only 2 perimeter shooters in a game that has evolved where most teams have a bare minimum of 3. He also is concerned that the only guy that has an above average career 3 pt % is a guy that only shoots when he is wide open.
Glass half empty there are a lot of question marks.
Glass half full there is a ton of upside and capable bodies
No I don’t think that’s what he’s implying considering Hyatt’s career 3 point stats aren’t very good.
There is no formally published starting, just some media guy's opinion.
A media guy who attended practice, spoke to Pike and observed the team in action which none of us have other than a few video clip highlights. So there’s that…
In any case it would be a shock if we started a frosh from game one, so it’s basically between 6 guys for 5 starter spots on opening day. The new guy, Hyatt, was not a lights out perimeter shooter at LSU. That doesn’t mean he won’t end up in the starting line up at RU, but it’s not like his incoming 3-pt shooting stats would be this clear reason he should be in the line up. If he shoots well from 3 it would be just as much of a year over year “improvement” as if Geo or Caleb shoot better.
Rothstein's starting five has RHJ playing the 4. I thought this year RHJ was supposed to be the 3 with Hyatt and Mag splitting time at the 4
That's largely been common speculation based on what people assume Harper heard from NBA scouts and the addition of Hyatt to the roster.
I believe Hyatt will help us very much. He started at LSU but he rarely got shots as the LSU offense was really run through a few other guys. I don't think we got a real idea what he can do. I see him being very important for us as Akwasi was in 2019-20.
I don’t think this will be a factor in the rotations one way or the other. Caleb plays big and our style shifted to more of a 2 wing layout when Ron and Caleb played together.
your forgetting how small we were at guard last year which was a factor too. We needed Ron to play true 4 when our other 3 were JY, Tez, and Geo. sub in Paul at the 3 and it was a little better but not much. Caleb plays bigger than Paul despite weighing less and having only 1 inch on him. Plus the proposed 2 guard would be 6-6 rather than 6-4. And the point would be 6-4 vs 6-1. Plenty of length there to allow RHJ to play an open style as long as ball rotations are effective.
your forgetting how small we were at guard last year which was a factor too. We needed Ron to play true 4 when our other 3 were JY, Tez, and Geo. sub in Paul at the 3 and it was a little better but not much. Caleb plays bigger than Paul despite weighing less and having only 1 inch on him. Plus the proposed 2 guard would be 6-6 rather than 6-4. And the point would be 6-4 vs 6-1. Plenty of length there to allow RHJ to play an open style as long as ball rotations are effective.
Also worth noting, it’s unlikely that Hyatt and RHJ will spend much time on the bench together and neither will play over 32 mpg. I highly doubt both of them average 32, but even at that, there’d be a hard minimum of 16+ minutes 40% if the game (20% each) where they are not playing together anyway. Every minute counts the same, so it doesn’t really matter when. The point is the starting line up wouldn’t be intentionally set up specifically to avoid a scenario that will be inevitable for a reasonable chunk of every game as a means of enhancing RHJ’s NBA prospect.
He's an opportunistic scorer in that he scores buckets without plays being run for him or in the flow of the offense. He gets put backs, turn overs, and scores in transition. He might score 4 points a game but those are all "extra points" not shots he's taking from someone else. This is also kind of true of Paul except that he is in the offense as an option when the other options didn't work out and/or when the defense rotates out of position.
Admittedly I’m an optimist when it comes to RU hoops, and this may sound crazy, but in the extremely limited minutes played by Oskar, Reiber and Mag, to me they all showed glimpses and potential that gave me hope they’d be contributors off the bench this year.
Oskar probably has the most to prove, but I believe his size, left-handedness, and ability to knock down a shot will earn him some spot minutes. He also showed some moxie on D a couple times, so there’s something there, that with hard work could pay off for him, for the team, and for us.
Sure - except the comment was made in the context of the proposed starting line up lacking scoring threats which what your describing would hardly resolve. Hyatt played nearly every meaningful minute with 4 players who are excellent shooters and were clearly the focus of the offense (from the defenders perspective).
I am not at all suggesting he will not have a break out year and be a great player for us but there’s nothing about his career at LSU that ought reasonably lead anyone to expect this to be a given any more or less so than development from Paul and/or Caleb or even Geo for that matter. Our guys played in a dynamic where the offense struggled at times because guys like RHJ were in slumps and MJ was never a proactive offensive player. JY scored in transition and iso but he too wasn’t the kind of player that moved well without the ball in the dynamics of a halfcourt offense. LSU had a nice looking offense in which Hyatt was a role player. It’s apples and oranges. Hyatt unlike Caleb and Geo never was the one thrusting up the ball at the end of a shot clock because the other 4 guys always wanted it and were great shooters. All of our players would look different if placed in the LSU offense.
I don’t see McConnell starting… no knock on Caleb but he is perfect off the bench. We need his feistiness and energy off the bench.. good defender and rebounder. He may end up playing starter minutes anyway. He has proven many times to be a team first player. I would expect Hyatt to start.
Comments from an LSU board interesting when he announced transfer
We will essentially have 7 guys playing “starters’ minutes,” regardless of who actually starts:
- Geo
- Mulcahy
- Harper
- Hyatt
- Cliff
- McConnell
- Jones
Plus another 3 guys who will play critical reserve roles:
- Agee
- Mag
- Miller
Then 2 guys who will be deeper reserves:
- Reiber - I think he will log more “important” minutes than Oskar
- Palmquist
- Geo
- Mulcahy
- Harper
- Hyatt
- Cliff
- McConnell
- Jones
Plus another 3 guys who will play critical reserve roles:
- Agee
- Mag
- Miller
Then 2 guys who will be deeper reserves:
- Reiber - I think he will log more “important” minutes than Oskar
- Palmquist
Why? I’ve heard he’s the most talented player on the team.
I strongly believe Hyatt’s role and impact will be a lot bigger and significantly more important with Pike than at LSU.
And we’ve seen enough freshman who start. He also had advantage of joining team second semester last year.
I believe Jones being here since January will help him big time this season.
I'm high on Jones but we heard the same things about Palmquist the year before. Didn't seem to do anything to help his development. I