Rutgers is projected first team out

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MLBash93

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Sounds about right, we have a decent roster but a lot of questions.

If cliff truly takes the next step and guys make some stead improvements we wont be as close to the bubble.

If ron plays more consistently we wont be that close either.

The Seton hall game will loom large
 
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Probably based on estimating we will have a weak bench...first six are solid, Geo,Ron,Hyatt,Cliff, Paul and Caleb.
We need to hopefully have developed our frosh along with Agee to fill spots 7,8,9 and 10. The development of our frosh may be the difference in dancing or not.
 
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RUChoppin

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He's got 8 B1G teams in there, so looks like he's projecting us to be the 9th best team in the conference this season. There's not going to be a lot of daylight between 6th and 12th, I don't think.
 

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Can you believe how much juice we bring even when we are predicted to be good rather than great.
Picture of RHJ and the following in the blurb:

At the bottom of the board, "I can only imagine the scene in North Jersey if Seton Hall and Rutgers were truly battling for the final spot in next year's field."
 
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If this is true and RU beats Purdue once out of 2 meetings, or 2 out of 2 meetings and they're projected to be a Top 1, 2 or 3 seed in the NCAAs, you will still have fans stating RU will need to be 11-9 in the B1G regular season and must have 8 road wins, just to make the NCAAS.....!!! (Extreme sarcasm here)

I am not sure there's a good reason to expect significant production from Wisconsin or Iowa, fans complaining about losing Myles Johnson and Jacob Young are silly, if you're comparing the losses (on paper) for Wisconsin and Iowa.

Iowa specifically is a program just designed and recruited to try and score, but went 14-6 last year, finishing 3rd. I don't usually speculate early on certain teams, but Jordan Bohannon returning, provides some scoring, but Weiskamp, Garza, Fredrick and backup center Nunge, has to account for some decline. They've added a high scoring transfer from NDakota State, but I'd be shocked in Iowa is above .500 in B1G play. If they are, the B1G will have to be the Top league in all of CBB again.

I would rather be underrated in July than overrated for sure. Fuel for the fire once again.....
 

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If this is true and RU beats Purdue once out of 2 meetings, or 2 out of 2 meetings and they're projected to be a Top 1, 2 or 3 seed in the NCAAs, you will still have fans stating RU will need to be 11-9 in the B1G regular season and must have 8 road wins, just to make the NCAAS.....!!! (Extreme sarcasm here)

I am not sure there's a good reason to expect significant production from Wisconsin or Iowa, fans complaining about losing Myles Johnson and Jacob Young are silly, if you're comparing the losses (on paper) for Wisconsin and Iowa.
Please stop it. We lost our 2 best players. Myles Johnson meant more to Rutgers than Garza did to Iowa.

Fans complaining about losing Young and Myles are silly? I know you watched games. We were lost on both sides of the ball without them last year.
 

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Oh I absolutely LOVE this! Why? So Pike can use it at EVERY presser! He can say, "Well, we're predicted to be in the first four out..." Make that a chip on the ol' shoulders!!!
 

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Please stop it. We lost our 2 best players. Myles Johnson meant more to Rutgers than Garza did to Iowa.

Fans complaining about losing Young and Myles are silly? I know you watched games. We were lost on both sides of the ball without them last year.
I think that’s debatable considering Iowa relied on an average of 24+ ppg from Garza. I get it that MJ’s defense was very important to RU last year, but 24 ppg is a lot to absorb for any team (never mind that Iowa also lost the rest of their starting 5).

Also - I’m not predicting that Agee will be a stud for us or anything, but somehow there are huge questions around him being able to fill in as a second or 3rd option at 5, but replacing Garza with a big from a 9 win Summit league team is a slam dunk? I don’t get how there aren’t question marks around Iowa too. They could turn out to be very good but there are at least as many unknowns as RU.
 
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I think that’s debatable considering Iowa relied on an average of 24+ ppg from Garza. I get it that MJ’s defense was very important to RU last year, but 24 ppg is a lot to absorb for any team (never mind that Iowa also lost the rest of their starting 5).

Also - I’m not predicting that Agee will be a stud for us or anything, but somehow there are huge questions around him being able to fill in as a second or 3rd option at 5, but replacing Garza with a big from a 9 win Summit league team is a slam dunk? I don’t get how there aren’t question marks around Iowa too. They could turn out to be very good but there are at least as many unknowns as RU.
excellent point
 

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Luka shot 58% from 2 and 44% from 3. Obviously that is real good. When you change things to conference only all of a sudden he becomes one of the least efficient options on the team. Bonhannon, Frederick, Murray and Weiskamp all had effective FG% above him.

iowa’s offense doesn’t need Garza like Rutgers defense needs Johnson.

Garza had a usage rate at 30%. This makes his raw numbers look even more impressive. However usage rate at 30% means the other 4 guys are only averaging 17.5% usage. The other guys being Bohannon Frederick and Weiskamp…..pretty good offensive options that are sitting and watching Garza doing his thing.
 
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Luka shot 58% from 2 and 44% from 3. Obviously that is real good. When you change things to conference only all of a sudden he becomes one of the least efficient options on the team. Bonhannon, Frederick, Murray and Weiskamp all had effective FG% above him.

iowa’s offense doesn’t need Garza like Rutgers defense needs Johnson.

Garza had a usage rate at 30%. This makes his raw numbers look even more impressive. However usage rate at 30% means the other 4 guys are only averaging 17.5% usage. The other guys being Bohannon Frederick and Weiskamp…..pretty good offensive options that are sitting and watching Garza doing his thing.
Sounds good, but Weiskamp and Frederick are gone right along with Garza. Iowa has more questions than answers for next season. IMO Iowa lost more than Rutgers.
 
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Pike probably already had 9 posted in the lockerroom for motivation

if this team buys into #unfinishedbusiness....well,
We will be making that prediction look silly on March 13, 2022
 
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Luka shot 58% from 2 and 44% from 3. Obviously that is real good. When you change things to conference only all of a sudden he becomes one of the least efficient options on the team. Bonhannon, Frederick, Murray and Weiskamp all had effective FG% above him.

iowa’s offense doesn’t need Garza like Rutgers defense needs Johnson.

Garza had a usage rate at 30%. This makes his raw numbers look even more impressive. However usage rate at 30% means the other 4 guys are only averaging 17.5% usage. The other guys being Bohannon Frederick and Weiskamp…..pretty good offensive options that are sitting and watching Garza doing his thing.
Garza had a 115 offensive rating on 30% usage in the Big Ten. That's nuts. Their entire offense was predicated around him.

If you took Garza off Iowa and Myles off Rutgers and replaced them with clones of, I don't know, Trent Buttrick, I'm pretty confident Iowa would fall more than Rutgers.
 
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That’s a good prediction. It means we will have a very exciting year and hope to get over the hump at the end
 

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Garza had a 115 offensive rating on 30% usage in the Big Ten. That's nuts. Their entire offense was predicated around him.

If you took Garza off Iowa and Myles off Rutgers and replaced them with clones of, I don't know, Trent Buttrick, I'm pretty confident Iowa would fall more than Rutgers.
No!!!!

Iowa had tons of weapons.

take a look at the others offensive rating everyone was better
 

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Yeah, because it would be absurd to think that the mere presence of 2021 Naismith Player of the Year on the floor would actually have a positive effect on the offensive efficiency of his teammates. Everyone but you is lost.
I completely understand that he lifted the offensive rating and efficiency FG% of others. I totally get that missing Garza significantly hurts Iowa’s offense.

Rutgers without Myles Johnson last year was a completely different team.
 
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RUChoppin

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In the seven games last season where Garza played 25 minutes or less, Iowa went 7-0. In the 12 games last year where Johnson played 25 minutes or less, Rutgers went 3-9.
 
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