I'm not thinking that the Montez loss is huge. Wasn't sold on him fully but he is certainly a talented athlete. But the real issue is how does a one year rental,be it a Juco which is likely, along with a 5th year. Hey. It worked seamlessly with Yeboah. But now you must incorporate 2 or 3 as starters who have never before played together. That is what worries me. On another note,Johnson is not seeing meaningful minutes at UCLA. It should be Stanford or bust for him in my opinion.
You can't just plug guys in
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Johnson will see a ton of minutes at UCLA.
You most certainly can plug in the right guys. You should never plug in the wrong guys.
Playing together is what the summer, camp and OOC season is for.
Playing together is what the summer, camp and OOC season is for.
Johnson would have kept Timme under control last night. Those layups wouldn’t have been there.
Kid Riley made more 10 foot jump shots last night than Myles in 3 years.
To be fair....assuming you have no more losses in the portal....you have returning Slotted for next year
baker (30 minutes a game)
Harper (30 minutes a game )
Mulchay (28 minutes a game )
Maconnell (24 minutes a game )
Cliff (24 minutes a game ..he will
Have fouls)
you have minutes 136 minutes locked up....
And you have jones who really looks like he is good for 24 minutes
that’s 160
With 16 going to a back five ....you only have 24
Minutes left to give out ...and you have mag and miller who could fill it And Mathis would have had to fend them off for his 15-20 minutes
the priorty remains replacing Myles ....and giving cliff a partner
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4 of baylors top 6 are guys who transferred in.
Johnson would be in foul trouble trying to guard Timme.
In all candor,Johnson could not hold Timme under 30. No chance. We haven't seen a Timme in years and yes he will be a great pro. His footwork and his post moves are unparalleled. His speed is underrated. No one in the college game can stop him off the dribble. Improve his outside shot and he is a 10 year pro.
Was just going to say this. Also usc has pretty much all transfers minus the Mobley’s .
The difference is you don’t have a year or years to recruit these guys. I would presume that means the staff focuses on players they have a previous relationship with who did not choose rutgers… But that in and of itself can be challenging.
Rutgers obviously isn’t unique here but they are more of a system driven program and you need guys who can buy in and play that way consistently. With assume most guys who are in that mold are also on someone else’s list.
And that could happen if miller, mag or anyone in the portal is found and can justify taking the minutes ....
Would be interested in knowing If Montez knows who’s coming in and feels like his minutes would be the same? I didn’t think he looked happy for most of the year so I’m not shocked.
What sucks is no fans at The RAC this season when the team was strong and it would have been sold out every conference game
It really depends on the guy. Guys like Yeboah and Gettys bought in immediately, and integrated into what Pike was doing almost seamlessly. Can't just just pull in anyone, though - some players, despite gaudy stats, will not be a good fit for Pike's style or overall team chemistry.
I don't know what the difference is between a frosh, JUCO, transfer portal coming into a lineup that's any different than kids emerging and earning playing time and others losing playing time.
The question is can you replace a primarily dedicated shooting guard, who plays good defense, but doesn't help bring the ball up the court and requires the offense to set him up to score??
The days of a primary shooting guard are over. It is combo guard at 6'1, 6'3, 6'4 or 6'7.....can you dribble, pass, shoot or create your own shot??
Mathis is and was never a "combo guard"....he was a downhill, attack off the dribble or handoff guard who was a create a shot on the fly at the basket....some times that works, more times than not, it didn't work.
Can the replacement of Mathis be a combo guard who can do all of the things of dribble, pass, create and shoot?? I don't think you will see any guards at this level of basketball, be 1 or 2 dimensional. As Year 1 turned into Years 2 and 3, Montez Mathis had so many things to improve upon, that it just wasn't going to happen in time to be a complete "combo guard ". Doesn't mean he's not a good defensive player or didn't work hard to improve his 3 point shot....but he requires a guard hitting him as a stationary target to catch and shoot.
I look at any plug and play to be an opportunity to become more versatile. The more basic things a player can do, far outweighs what another player does really well.
Can Cliff be a facing the basket Big, who can shoot...?? Probably moreso than we realize.
Can RU find or survive with 2 guards incoming in Miller and Jones, who can dribble pass and shoot....?? Yep.....
Does that mean we aren't adding another guard....?? We will assuredly add another guard, but that player will more than likely be able to be quick enough to defend both guard positions, and handle the ball, similar to Jacob and Geo can, while creating their own shot, off the dribble etc.
If you find another reasonably good combo guard (not necessarily a starter), you would finally have 5 guards or wings who now can dribble, pass, shoot and create their own offense off the bounce.
If you find a versatile PF, who can play a few minutes at center and is mobile enough to alter shots and a combo guard with solid numbers in the basic categories, it offsets the departures.
As dominant as Myles and Jacob were defensively, there were obvious holes in their basics that aren't impossible to offset. The staff has a real chance to reshape this roster and take it up a level, just by improving the basics. Jalen and Jaden are two pieces that I am confident in helping. Need a 3rd combo guard to layer in depth with Geo, Paul and Caleb as your other options.
The question is can you replace a primarily dedicated shooting guard, who plays good defense, but doesn't help bring the ball up the court and requires the offense to set him up to score??
The days of a primary shooting guard are over. It is combo guard at 6'1, 6'3, 6'4 or 6'7.....can you dribble, pass, shoot or create your own shot??
Mathis is and was never a "combo guard"....he was a downhill, attack off the dribble or handoff guard who was a create a shot on the fly at the basket....some times that works, more times than not, it didn't work.
Can the replacement of Mathis be a combo guard who can do all of the things of dribble, pass, create and shoot?? I don't think you will see any guards at this level of basketball, be 1 or 2 dimensional. As Year 1 turned into Years 2 and 3, Montez Mathis had so many things to improve upon, that it just wasn't going to happen in time to be a complete "combo guard ". Doesn't mean he's not a good defensive player or didn't work hard to improve his 3 point shot....but he requires a guard hitting him as a stationary target to catch and shoot.
I look at any plug and play to be an opportunity to become more versatile. The more basic things a player can do, far outweighs what another player does really well.
Can Cliff be a facing the basket Big, who can shoot...?? Probably moreso than we realize.
Can RU find or survive with 2 guards incoming in Miller and Jones, who can dribble pass and shoot....?? Yep.....
Does that mean we aren't adding another guard....?? We will assuredly add another guard, but that player will more than likely be able to be quick enough to defend both guard positions, and handle the ball, similar to Jacob and Geo can, while creating their own shot, off the dribble etc.
If you find another reasonably good combo guard (not necessarily a starter), you would finally have 5 guards or wings who now can dribble, pass, shoot and create their own offense off the bounce.
If you find a versatile PF, who can play a few minutes at center and is mobile enough to alter shots and a combo guard with solid numbers in the basic categories, it offsets the departures.
As dominant as Myles and Jacob were defensively, there were obvious holes in their basics that aren't impossible to offset. The staff has a real chance to reshape this roster and take it up a level, just by improving the basics. Jalen and Jaden are two pieces that I am confident in helping. Need a 3rd combo guard to layer in depth with Geo, Paul and Caleb as your other options.
No he is not. If you watched UCLA all year , Riley was on the block getting most of his points within 2 feet of the basket. Rarely would he step out and hit a foul line jumper. He did in the tournament and played off the charts. Something he did not do all year. Myles can do everything Rileydid and be a better rim defender.
The guy UCLA has now is a much better low post player.
You only watched the tournament. Riley played terribly most of the year and go look at the UCLA site to see what they were saying about him before his improved play in the tourney.
You must not watch the NCAA tourney this year. Many teams were plug and play guys including Baylor and usc.
Most schools do this. And most successful schools lose a ton of guys every year.
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Especially on our team. We play man defense and i know people hate that I always say this but we really dont run an offense. If theres any team that can fully plug and play, it’s us
My comment about plugging in players was in part provocative,but in reality the precedent which people are referencing is off base. And I have watched all 68 NCAA games,at least in part. Let's look at Baylor:
Butler-never played a second at Alabama and never attended a class. Left in the summer and went right to Bsylo
Teague-had to sit and practiced with the team.
Mitchell-had to sit and practiced with the team.
You will find this with most of the teams referenced.Juzang got a waiver as did Jarreau,but both played previously and extensively in AAU and for a summer with their guys at UCLA and Houston respectively. Heck,Yeboah and Steve were pretty darn familiar with each other. Not so with Gettys.Some guys got to take a summer trip with their new team. Rutgers is not on the road this summer.
Hope it works with at least 3 new kids,but there is still a learning and acclimation curve which is steep.
Butler-never played a second at Alabama and never attended a class. Left in the summer and went right to Bsylo
Teague-had to sit and practiced with the team.
Mitchell-had to sit and practiced with the team.
You will find this with most of the teams referenced.Juzang got a waiver as did Jarreau,but both played previously and extensively in AAU and for a summer with their guys at UCLA and Houston respectively. Heck,Yeboah and Steve were pretty darn familiar with each other. Not so with Gettys.Some guys got to take a summer trip with their new team. Rutgers is not on the road this summer.
Hope it works with at least 3 new kids,but there is still a learning and acclimation curve which is steep.
Give it a break. Did you think that Baylor, UCLA and Michigan played was not an offense. It was straight out iso ball , screen and roll, NBA stuff, where the coach believes his player is better and cannot be guarded. That is what Juazang did for UCLA and Mitchell or Butler or Teagueor Mayer didfor Baylor. Coach saw a mismatch and went with NBA isolation. Happens all over college basketball. Pike thinks whether you agree or not, Ron or Geoor Jacob could not be guarded and could get their shots regardless of what the defense did.. A majority and I think the numberi is 60 percent and you can add Houston as another team run iso as their main offense. . Now you can point to Porter Moser and his Princeton styleoffense as running a great offense that when it works it looks great like against Illinois but then when it doesn’t like against Oregon State, no one is happy they ran an offense. You make shots you look great as a coach. Wisconsin runs greatsets , or anoffense as you call it, but played like crap all year , because they couldn’t make shots, but against UNC it clicked because they made shots,like long long threes. It isn’t as simple as you repeatedly stupidly say he doesn’t run an offense. Did he run a number of out of bounds plays in the tourney that worked? Did he run an offense for 36 minutes againstHouston. Enough already.
Guys playing team defense together is much more difficult plug and play. That's trust and sacrifice. Offensive end? Nope. Scoring together is an easier mix. You can score?? ..I'll give you the ball if you give it back to me too.
Concern is we know which end of court Pikiell focuses on.
Concern is we know which end of court Pikiell focuses on.
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Guys come on. If you transfer in from another d1 program you know how to play man defense. Come on now.
Man defence isnt help defense. And i didn't say you can't find the team. But you think all these players in the portal are there cause their teams didn't their defense?
"Know how to play man defense" is a different thing than being good at it, and being able to play defense as a team rather than just 5 guys playing 1x1 and getting carved up.
I'm sure Pike will find guys willing to put in the time/effort to learn his style of play, who will buy inl, who are the "right fit". It's just a matter of reps getting the right guys, and then getting everyone comfortable with each other on the court and building chemistry.
I'm sure Pike will find guys willing to put in the time/effort to learn his style of play, who will buy inl, who are the "right fit". It's just a matter of reps getting the right guys, and then getting everyone comfortable with each other on the court and building chemistry.
Can we NOT compare us to Baylor? Remember : Baylor was an absolute zero in sports until 20 years ago. Then they started playing the “bagman” game and all of a sudden they’re great at everything. He still plays a bag man gave him and we don’t. We’re not going out and buying players to take us to the final four. Just not happening THAT way.