Conjecture about team conflict

RUTrack94

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There was a lot of bad body language throughout the season ... but on paper it will look like a good season in a few years, and gets the drought off of RU’s back ... the hot start set very high expectations which didn’t help ... l sad to see JY leave ... he was my favorite player to watch and has elite speed and athleticism ... what bothers me now is with so many people leaving, how does RU not take a major step back next year ... recruiting, transfers, existing players?
 
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dpwhite

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There was a lot of bad body language throughout the season ... but on paper it will look like a good season in a few years, and gets the drought off of RU’s back ... the hot start set very high expectations which didn’t help ... l sad to see JY leave ... he was my favorite player to watch and has elite speed and athleticism ... what bothers me now is with so many people leaving, how does RU not take a major step back next year ... recruiting, transfers, existing players?

so far...two guys have left
 

JonathanAlan

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1. Calm down and relax with the personal attacks.

2. I am coaching a HS varsity team right now during a pandemic (not basketball). My girls bring energy and enthusiasm every day.

3. lost my dad a year ago today to the virus. You don’t have to remind me of the seriousness of the pandemic.

4. Make all the excuses you want for them in typical Rutgers fan fashion, but objectively speaking this team was nothing great. It was just ok.

5. I have ZERO issues with Pike or the coaching job he did. Guy deserves a statue right now as far as I’m concerned.

6. In my opinion, SOME of the players on this team thought they were better than they actually were, which translated to losses like Penn State and Nebraska where they thought they could just show up and ball out and win.

Sorry if you think this 2020-2021 edition of RU men’s basketball should be free from any and all criticism. Only a handful of RU sports teams hold that privilege in my opinion. 2006 football and 2007 WBB are the two I can think of in my lifetime. Obviously the undefeated football teams and men’s final four team as well.
I agree with much of what you wrote. I'll never forget Geo's post-game interview after the first Iowa loss that the team felt OK after the loss because they knew they were good. Soon after the wheels started coming off the wagon...Last year's team was better and was peaking at the right time. When reality hit and the team most needed leadership it was missing from its veteran players Geo , Harper and Myles....Myles doesn't have the personality and fire to lead except by example and Harper is not very vocal . Unfortunately Geo could have provided leadership but was rehabbing his bad ankle and playing poorly at the time. Just bad timing for him and the team....
 
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S.W.A.I.N

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I disagree. I saw a team lacking enthusiasm that for stretches looked like it didn't want to be on the court. Not everybody, but enough of the starters.



Does anyone remember the season (late in his career) when Don Mattingly was moved from #3 in the order to #2 in the order? And that seemingly unimportant move completely wrecked his confidence and sent him into a depression for months? It was all the beat writers talked about at the time ... and whenever they asked him about it, he gave them a dissertation on how the #2 hitter is expected to do completely different things (bunt, move runners over, etc) than the #3 hitter (drive in runs) and he was now having to change his approach at the plate. And overnight, he went from the team leader to a guy who moped and moped? And everyone else in the world was like, "No dude, he just moved you up a space because we don't have two natural fits for the top of the order." Well, sometimes a person wraps their identities around something nobody else realizes is uber-important to him.

My best guess is Baker was crushed when he found out Young was the "point" guard this year and it affected his approach the entire season. Young was the ball handler; Harper was the primary scorer; and Baker acted like his roles on the team had been taken from him. And he spent a huge portion of the season with body language like he didn't know what he was supposed to do and he didn't want to be there - especially every time Young was on the court.
That’s some wild speculation
 

fluoxetine

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My speculation:

there was some bad body language, some giving up when games got off to very bad starts, and some minor conflict on the team

this was because they were stuck seeing only each other for months and dedicating their entire lives to basketball in a way that is unprecedented EVEN for top level D1 players.

none of this will carry over to next year
 

rubjk

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What did they “win” exactly? They didn’t have a winning regular season in the B1G (10-10). They got bounced in the second game of the B1G tournament. Even our 98 team made it to the Big East Tournament semifinal and I was expecting a similar run. Yes we made the NCAA tourney and won a first round game but again, with a senior laden team like this I’d say making at least a regional semifinal should be the benchmark. If we were a bunch of freshman and sophomores and we could point to this as just the start, ok. But instead it was the end. I’m guessing that was the frustration behind PM’s tweet.
What about all our senior laden teams in the last 38 years? How many made the big dance?
 

rubjk

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Perhaps the thread title and my main point are getting conflated. I’m not saying there’s an internal team conflict. I’d have no way of knowing that. In that sense you are right with your astrology comments.

Im saying throughout the entire season certain players on this team displayed bad body language and seeming lack of enthusiasm. I saw similar bad body language when things started breaking wrong during the last five minutes of the Houston game.

it was frustration, not lack of enthusiasm. Understandable given the Covid situation.