Rutgers to REQUIRE all in person students to be vaccinated this fall

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I agree with a lot of what you post on these board, but man oh man, your last two sentences are a horrific straw man.



I personally know a relatively young and healthy person who is in a world of **** due to covid. And I am aware of many young people who had severe covid and were hospitalized. Students have a choice to not get vaxed and learn remotely.
Next year, no more remote learning according to Murphy. Just saw it in the news.
 

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I'm not anti vax. Old and fat people should get it. Young and healthy people have no reason to get it. Go look at the numbers. Flu is more deadly than COVID for college students.

A critical mass of vaccinations offers more protection to the vulnerable populations, and is also critically important for mitigating variants that weaken the efficacy of the vaccines
 

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I agree with a lot of what you post on these board, but man oh man, your last two sentences are a horrific straw man.



I personally know a relatively young and healthy person who is in a world of **** due to covid. And I am aware of many young people who had severe covid and were hospitalized. Students have a choice to not get vaxed and learn remotely.
Wait, you’re back? When did that happen?
 

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I agree with a lot of what you post on these board, but man oh man, your last two sentences are a horrific straw man.



I personally know a relatively young and healthy person who is in a world of **** due to covid. And I am aware of many young people who had severe covid and were hospitalized. Students have a choice to not get vaxed and learn remotely.

Young...healthy people? Or someone grossly obese? I'm not saying it hasn't happened but it's been rare.

It's not a straw man at all. The left claims to be the party of science and then keeps pretending masks do anything. The left is all for my body my choice and then does a 180 on a vaccine for 19 year olds?
 

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why would they require masks if its all vaccinated people in that section..such science

The science behind it assumes there is small window of transmissibility before the immune system kicks in and does its job. People can beome positive and transmit to others. The window of opportunity should be much smaller after the vaccine is received. It cannot be explained much more simple than that. Feel free to dissect and/or attempt to create a tangent.

The CDC also said a mask is better than the vaccine months ago.

I'd like to see a link for that one. You make it seem like the CDC recommended masks over vaccines for everyone. Was this before vaccines were more widely available? Don't get confused if they are referring recent covid positive patients (with probable antibodies) to defer their vaccination to a later date in favor of those not vaccinated and never had covid.

Are flu shots a mandatory requirement as well? Because COVID is less deadly to these kids than flu and asymptotic spread isn't a real thing.

What happened to my body my choice? I guess killing the unborn is ok, but avoiding a harmless flu is not?

Absolutely. You body, your choice. But their institution, their rules.

yes totally bizarre when those are the actually people at risk and students are not

also what if a student already had covid and has determined they do not need a vaccine

Quick, how long should the antibodies last from a covid infection on average? Will those student be immune from newer variants? Those are things that take time to figure out and should be determined in the future. That's what sciency science is all about.
 

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You do realize the cost of moving out of NJ is way more expensive than moving in? Many people don't like high taxes and big government. Go do a google search of moving trucks dude.
I lived 20 years in different states, Wash, Ariz, Calif, Tx, Maryland, Pa . You probably never lived outside of NJ. All of the moving expenses paid by my company.
 
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The science behind it assumes there is small window of transmissibility before the immune system kicks in and does its job. People can beome positive and transmit to others. The window of opportunity should be much smaller after the vaccine is received. It cannot be explained much more simple than that. Feel free to dissect and/or attempt to create a tangent.



I'd like to see a link for that one. You make it seem like the CDC recommended masks over vaccines for everyone. Was this before vaccines were more widely available? Don't get confused if they are referring recent covid positive patients (with probable antibodies) to defer their vaccination to a later date in favor of those not vaccinated and never had covid.



Absolutely. You body, your choice. But their institution, their rules.



Quick, how long should the antibodies last from a covid infection on average? Will those student be immune from newer variants? Those are things that take time to figure out and should be determined in the future. That's what sciency science is all about.
I think you’re a doctor right? If so, don’t you realize that your experience and fact-based feedback are no longer welcome? 😎
 

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why would they require masks if its all vaccinated people in that section..such science
Two reasons:

It’s like any vaccine. The shot protects people most of the time, but it may not work for all. So you might be vaccinated, get infected and feel nothing. But it may kill that guy sitting next to you at the Heat game, even though he got vaccinated as well.

It doesn’t protect against any of the variants, three of which are growing Florida right now.
 
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The science behind it assumes there is small window of transmissibility before the immune system kicks in and does its job. People can beome positive and transmit to others. The window of opportunity should be much smaller after the vaccine is received. It cannot be explained much more simple than that. Feel free to dissect and/or attempt to create a tangent.



I'd like to see a link for that one. You make it seem like the CDC recommended masks over vaccines for everyone. Was this before vaccines were more widely available? Don't get confused if they are referring recent covid positive patients (with probable antibodies) to defer their vaccination to a later date in favor of those not vaccinated and never had covid.



Absolutely. You body, your choice. But their institution, their rules.



Quick, how long should the antibodies last from a covid infection on average? Will those student be immune from newer variants? Those are things that take time to figure out and should be determined in the future. That's what sciency science is all about.


if they are all vaccinated then why are they wearing masks...I still ask the question, who are they giving it to but themselves who supposedly have this vaccine that prevents them from getting sick


what are the long term effects of the vaccine, its great you ask questions but then skip by that one, how long does the vaccine last..you skip by that one too
 

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Two reasons:

It’s like any vaccine. The shot protects people most of the time, but it may not work for all. So you might be vaccinated, get infected and feel nothing. But it may kill that guy sitting next to you at the Heat game, even though he got vaccinated as well.

It doesn’t protect against any of the variants, three of which are growing Florida right now.


then maybe they should not be sitting in the vaccinated section
 
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Oh, stop with your pesky facts!

@RUskoolie

I see roughly 4,800 deaths from COVID / pneumonia in 2020-2021. Split 2,100 covid; 2,700 pneumonia. This is US, ages 0-29 per the cdc website.

CDC’s Jan 2020 report on 2018-2019 flu deaths shows 2,927 for ages 0-49 (it doesn’t get as specific into age groups).
 
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Vaccinated people should not be sitting in the vaccinated section. Makes perfect sense.


it sort of makes the whole idea of a vaccinated section cornered of if you are bringing up that you can be spreading it to each other as an argument, do you see how foolish you sound...whats the point then
 

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To be fair, it says it was updated in September ...still months prior to your more complete data being available.


No idea why he thought that article was a relevant response.


no its using cdc data from janaury 2021, nice try on gotcha

fact is we know that for those under 18 the risk is less than the flu, when you get to the college age range things start to differ.

of course mandating vaccinating students while not mandating vaccinating staff seems to throw alot of arguments out the window
 
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no its using cdc data from janaury 2021, nice try on gotcha

fact is we know that for those under 18 the risk is less than the flu, when you get to the college age range things start to differ.

of course mandating vaccinating students while not mandating vaccinating staff seems to throw alot of arguments out the window
As someone in academia, I can attest to the point that school administrations are TERRIFIED of faculty and staff unions...I’m guessing they don’t want to pick a fight with those people.
 
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