Jacob Young Hit in the Face

[NiTeKnight]

Still bothered by this play. I thought it was a foul if you blocked a shot and then fouled the player on the follow through.
Jarreau blocked Young's shot and hit him in the face right afterwards. Shouldn't that have been a shooting foul for Jacob?
Those one or two points could have been the difference in the game. Click on video link below to see the play.
Young Hit in Face After Block

 

[MadRU]

Obvious foul

 

[Rufaninga]

Wondered how that is not called, but hitting a 3pt shooter on the arm during follow through gets called after the ball is gone.

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

Two point and would have given jarreau a foul early in the game.

what pisses me off is the refs can go check to see the monitor to give a flagrant but can’t say foul. They should have felt like complete docks as the were watching it. Unfortunately they are egomaniacs who “can’t get them all right”

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

I thought a hit in the head was an AUTOMATIC flagrant regardless of intent?!?

And, I am almost certain we have had players get flagrants after review when there wasn’t a foul called initially. Didn’t Oscar get a flagrant that way?

 

[biazza38]

Just an egregious miss. That can’t be missed at all. Again, we played poorly down the stretch, but we shot ZERO free throws in the second half. That’s laughable for how aggressive Houston plays

 

[jrm75]

They only reviewed for a flagrant. They can't review for a missed foul - even though it should have shown the refs that they blew another one.

 

[rufeelinit]

Jarreau could do nothing wrong. I thought Haywood was either going to go down on the court and pin the Purple Heart on his jersey or nominate him for sainthood before the game end.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Should have been called a foul. Officials made a mistake. Just like putting rookie Cal Ripken Jr baseball card in your tire spoke in 1983.

 

[RW90]

More egregious was the commentators dismissing the foul when video evidence clearly showed otherwise.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Its one thing to swipe at the ball, its another thing to do it with such exaggerated force that it contacts the other players face like that. Based on definition it could have even been an F2.

Flagrant 1 is "unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent", while the more serious Flagrant 2 is "unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent." Flagrant 2 results in an immediate ejection of the offender.

Had it been Paul or Caleb it would have certainly been one.

 

[RU-AGK]

More egregious was the commentators dismissing the foul when video evidence clearly showed otherwise.

This was rage inducing in my house. That, and just how many times Montez drives the lane, gets mugged at knifepoint a half dozen times (no calls) and then disappears the rest of the game.

 

[Knights 1212]

I agree that should definitely have been a flagrant one.

 

[G- RUnit]

It’s been happening all year. Pike has to start being more reactive. And those fans who say officiating doesn’t matter or “these things even out” should continue digging their heads in the sand and never comment again.

 

[wheezer]

Could it be that they thought it was inadvertent and after the basket, thus no foul?
It seems it would have to be interpreted that way, and is this definitely wrong?

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

Could it be that they thought it was inadvertent and after the basket, thus no foul?
It seems it would have to be interpreted that way, and is this definitely wrong?

every foul is inadvertent.

 

[RW90]

Could it be that they thought it was inadvertent and after the basket, thus no foul?
It seems it would have to be interpreted that way, and is this definitely wrong?

That was the commentators' argument claiming Jacob had already released the shot. However, I for one don't recall that standard ever being applied in determining foul calls. I can't count how many time fouls have been awarded based on contact on the shooter's follow through, but after the ball has been released.

 

[RUInsanityToo]

Could it be that they thought it was inadvertent and after the basket, thus no foul?
It seems it would have to be interpreted that way, and is this definitely wrong?

It would still be a foul, basket counts and side out RU. However, the foul occurred as part of the shot block attempt and it should have been a shooting foul. It was just missed (or ignored) by the refs.

 

[Rokodesh]

This was rage inducing in my house. That, and just how many times Montez drives the lane, gets mugged at knifepoint a half dozen times (no calls) and then disappears the rest of the game.

to be fair Montez is almost always out of control before any of the contact and that will never get called. For a defensive, physical team to get 5 fouls called on them in 20 minutes is just laughable. And 2 guys playing with 4 fouls each

 

[RUnTeX]

every foul is inadvertent.

Exactly, or else they would be intentional fouls which have their own consequences.

 

[Sweet Pea's Corner]

But Caleb's inadvertent ball swat was called.

 

[biazza38]

Don’t forget Cliff’s bucket that easily should have been an “and 1” late in the second half

 

[Shell21]

Look at the iowa game where they didn't call a foul and reviewed it and then called a flagrant. In our game, they didn't even review it at all..Two sets of rules apparently.

 

[RUnTeX]

Don’t forget Cliff’s bucket that easily should have been an “and 1” late in the second half

Was quite surprised to not hear the whistle on that one, seemed rather obvious to me.

 

[Yeah Baby]

Just an egregious miss. That can’t be missed at all. Again, we played poorly down the stretch, but we shot ZERO free throws in the second half. That’s laughable for how aggressive Houston plays

This is what I saw. I’m never one to blame our players especially when I see FT disparities like this. Both teams played hard. Both teams played great D. Both teams were aggressive. Both teams made mistakes. But only RU was called for fouls. I can’t see how any of our fans would complain about our players and not the refs after watching this game.

 

[rufancoe00]

How about the two missed fouls on Caleb, he got an arm to the face under the basket and was pulled to the ground on the steal

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

my issue with refs is never with a single call.

but, on this one - the answer is:

a) yes, it should have been an obvious foul (at least a common foul called on the court).

b) since NO FOUL was called on court, the ONLY THING the refs can call during the timeout is a Flagrant 2 (not even a Flagrant 1).

though it was a foul - it wasn't a 2 - and even if it was borderline (which it really wasn't - they weren't throwing him out of the game for that foul). So, yeah - the rules suck... But, how you miss THAT call in the first place but, call some of the crap stuff on us in the final 5 mins.. that's the crap I don't follow...

we saw time and again during the season refs blowing a whistle - then going to the monitor and making-up all sorts of double fouls calls and weird decisions. But, since they didn't blow the whistle on the floor - we get screwed. One of many small steps that led to a big disappointment.

 

[jakeknight]

Refs Missed the initial foul, not reviewable on replay real question is why it was not called a flagrant one upon review, clearly a blow to face on an attempt to block the shot. While it was not intentional contact was made and as stated above it qualified as a flagrant one. If they are going to start interpreting the application of a flagrant one by hard hard the blow was delivered that is something clearly impossible to implement the calk consistently

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

Refs Missed the initial foul, not reviewable on replay real question is why it was not called a flagrant one upon review, clearly a blow to face on an attempt to block the shot. While it was not intentional contact was made and as stated above it qualified as a flagrant one. If they are going to start interpreting the application of a flagrant one by hard hard the blow was delivered that is something clearly impossible to implement the calk consistently

you can only call a 2 if there was no whistle initially. you can "upgrade" a common to a 1 if there was a foul call on the floor. But, you can't "create a 1" when watching replay if no common was called initially.

the even dumber part of that rule... if you whistle -and then review for a 1 -- you can actually "wave off" the common (though refs almost NEVER do that).

 

[RULoyal]

Same thing on the play where the Houston player was backing in on Caleb and Caleb clearly had position. He knocked Caleb back and quickly turned and elbowed Caleb in the face. The rules guy (forget his name) started off with the caveat “remember when reviewing for a flagrant they cannot review for a missed common foul”. Indicating to me he thought there should have been a foul called.

 

[bac2therac]

compare it to Caleb being called for a flagrant as the refs "assumed" intent, I dont think the foul on JY was a flagrant but it was a foul but if they didnt call it the first time, the rules say they cant call it on review.

 

[bac2therac]

remember the first half, RU took 12 free throws to I believe only 6 maybe from Houston so its not like the refs were totally one sided

RU fouled constantly in the last 5 minutes, whether they missed fouls on Houston is another issue but RU was playing poor catchup defense late

 

[CERU00]

It’s been happening all year. Pike has to start being more reactive. And those fans who say officiating doesn’t matter or “these things even out” should continue digging their heads in the sand and never comment again.

Can't like this enough. I asked my coworker, a gtech alum what he thought. Aside from being shocked at the end game play, he said the refs screwed us big time. An unbiased opinion.

 

[Luvscarletknights]

Two point and would have given jarreau a foul early in the game.

what pisses me off is the refs can go check to see the monitor to give a flagrant but can’t say foul. They should have felt like complete docks as the were watching it. Unfortunately they are egomaniacs who “can’t get them all right”

The referees did look at it and said nothing occurred. That is what I was mad at.

 

[Luvscarletknights]

Jarreau could do nothing wrong. I thought Haywood was either going to go down on the court and pin the Purple Heart on his jersey or nominate him for sainthood before the game end.

IMO: The referees appeared to feel bad for Jarreau and made calls that were pro Houston. Let me add Haywood made the game to watch with his constant BS. If he feels he is such a good coach he should coach and not ridicule.