Rutgers to REQUIRE all in person students to be vaccinated this fall
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it is a choice. you can attend Rutgers virtually should you decline to be vaccinated.
I'm just following the science.
It's useless for the 18-22 yr bracket, with possibly some exceptions such as obesity or underlying disease, but even so, risky.
It's not FDA approved, if you got a shot you are part of the clinical trials.
I encourage everyone that chooses to get pricked to go do so. Just don't force it on others and don't penalize those that choose to not get the needle.
Rutgers has chosen to penalize and it's clearly the wrong move.
Cop out on your part too. Let us know if you wish you had a virtual college experience at Rutgers?
apologies to you for that--didn't mean to imply that you personally were furthering those myths about mRNA vaccines. I was just trying to point out what were the fallacies and fears that are being discussed.
and there are never any zero risk treatments. however vaccines , when discussing unsafe pharmaceuticals, have been proven over a century to be overwhelmingly safe. Yet people will go out and buy ******** like "prevagen" or the ******** Frank thomas testosterone booster and take that for years without even thinking twice.
Boggles my mind
No one disagrees it should be a choice. But it is also the choice of a business to keep the antivaxors out as well. You don't want to get vaccinated, fine. But please stop complaining about what you can't do then as a result of exercising your right not to get vaccinated.
You are posting positive study announcements from today to justify the government getting pregnant women to take the vaccine for the last three months.
That's great that it looks like it might not be a problem for pregnant women. That doesn't change the fact that they lied for the last three months when they told them it was already proven safe.
I have no problem with vaccines. I have taken every one I am supposed to up to my age and so have my kids.
I have a problem with the idea of trying to force everyone to take these specifically as if their risk from the virus is the same. For some people, the miniscule risk of vaccine side effects is not worth it because the risk of severe effects from covid is also miniscule.
You said "where you haven’t even tried to identify possible adverse events (like pregnant women)." They did try to identify possible adverse events. I linked to the most recent results of those trials. They were even better than expected.
You have an obvious agenda and no intention of changing your mind when presented with evidence proving you wrong, so I'm going to stop responding to you and going in circles at this point.
A bit of segregation don't you think. That's like saying you can't go in my store because you smell, I don't like your skin color, how tall you are etc. Lets make the peeps that are vaccinated have a v tattoo on their forehead,
You actually can restrict access if people smell. I believe you can based on height too.
This needs to be broken down a different way: I'd like to see the Covid deaths split out by those who were relatively healthy versus those who were compromised. One of the big differences between Covid and the flu is how much more dangerous it is towards those in the latter category. And that also involves where it attacks the body versus the flu: the flu is an upper respiratory disease while Covid hits the lower track. Which makes it more dangerous for those who are vulnerable.
You mean, like certain states wanting to allow businesses to deny service to LGBTQ people because it's against their beliefs? What's good for me, but not for thee syndrome here...
Why is the timing seemingly beyond you comprehension? The Pfizer trial tested the women of childbearing age for pregnancy and excluded those who were positive.
Even they Axios article you posted says "the study is the largest of its kind due to this group's initial exclusion of the vaccines' clinical trials".
So, without being tested, they started giving vaccine to pregnant health care workers in December, and pregnant teachers over the last couple months.
NOW, in late March, they release study results saying it is safe for that population, AFTER thousands of women in that population already took it.
It's great that it seemingly worked out, but it's not like they didn't risk the health of thousands of women and their babies before they knew that for sure.
The majority of students have been living life as normal as they can off campus and are ZFG about COVID.
while I plan on getting the JNJ Vaccine, I do not think "The State" should force anyone to get the vaccine. Healthcare is an individual choice and the state should not be a part of that decision except to foster research such as President Trumps "Operation Warp Speed" and facilitate availability of the vaccine to the public. The choice should be left up to the individual.
Wow gigantor1024 wishing someone would get covid and go away. You should be ashamed you coward.
Not following how you are trying to equate these issues as being related at all. They are not. One is discrimination based on appearance. That is obviously wrong. Preventing a non-vaccinated person from being able to enter business is a public safety issue and something else entirely. You are obviously concerned about your rights and being told what to do (even when it is in your best interests). Shouldn't you in turn respect the business owners rights to run his business as he determines is appropriate for him and his customers?
2/3 of the issues he brought up aren't even illegal. Smelly people and short people are not protected classes. Neither are antivaxxers.
It amazes me people ( myself included) respond to you. You asked a question, I gave you a pretty good explanation which took a little bit out of my day. You pick one freakin word out of my response and go against that? And by the way, yes grandparents. If college kids interact with their family, grandparents will be involved. Cant believe you picked one word. See my post below. You really are a tool.
They tried AFTER they were already giving it out. Why is that so hard for you to understand? If they found out it was a problem it was already too late for those who took it from Nov to March.
Here is the exact language from Pfizer's early November presentation, just before they got the Emergency Use Authorization:
8.4.Unknown Risks/Data Gap
Safety in certain subpopulations
There are currently insufficient data to make conclusions about the safety of the vaccine in subpopulations such as children less than 16 years of age, pregnant and lactating individuals, and immunocompromised individuals.
This poster has been a classless act for years. Look up internet tough guy and this handle comes up. Made comments like this to me years ago and when I invited him or her to meet me in lobby of RAC one game went to admin to have me banned.
Just 1 question to clarify...(and I'm fully vaccinated)...folks are equating the health risk to young adults from covid equal to things like measles and hep c?
The issue with employers is it is legally dubious if you can require as a condition of employment some one to get a medicine that is under an Emergency Use Authorization. Hence even hospitals have largely not required it. Yet.
Once they are fully approved it will likely be like the flu vaccine and some others; No jab, no job.
People who will not get the shot will be out. We are not the ones who have been hiding under our beds for the last year .
There was never a need for mRNA as much as there is now so it never garned huge attention. The collaborative effort to get this going and something developed is quite impressive.
So sayeth the king of irrelevant one liners. Try practicing what you preach at least sometimes.
The problem with your statement is the risk of effects from covid are much higher than what we know and compare to those of the vaccine. I have not seen any documented studies indicating the vaccine causes immediate and long term changes in cardiac, pulmonary, vascular, integumentary, gastrointestinal, neurological, etc. systems. This doesnt even include the chronic fatigue many are experiencing. You are trying to compare miniscule side effects of a vaccine to severe effects of covid when there are so many things in between which are directly tied to covid. Enough have them when infected, continue in the months afterwards and some arent going away. I'm not sure who you are referring to as "some people", but plenty have compromised their health by contracting covid. And dont forget the 545,000 dead.
reality is, these ppl don't care how many are dead as long as it's not them or one of their circle.
Not really. My employer told us yesterday the shot is not mandatory . They will give us a $100 bonus if we get it . But many of us are passing on the cash . Not worth it to get a needle put in my arm for something that is going to cause the common cold like all the other covid's .
There is a huge amount of difference in the risk from Covid between elderly people (especially those with additional underlying conditions) and for example, healthy school age children. I didn't say no one should be getting this under the Emergency Use Authorization, it makes sense for some populations.
There isn't zero risk for children, but not enough that I would want my kids to incur any risk of adverse events just to vaccinate against something which has overwhelming odds of being a non-issue for them.
Well, no, it's not like saying that at all, for 2 of the 3 scenarios you offered. Sad that you would make light of segregation...trust you're not that ignorant.
Way to cower from the question.
There's nothing personal about it. It's completely valid.
Stop posting such ******** every day and you won't be the mockery of the board.
I think the chances of an otherwise perfectly healthy 18-22 year old suffering serious complications from either disease are extremely small. However, if it’s more deadly for people who are otherwise comprised, and then that results in more total deaths, then that results in the disease being more deadly.
I really don’t buy into ‘if you’re not old or sick this isn’t serious’ line because:
(1) America has a lot of old people who meaningfully participate in society, and can’t be expected to hide for the rest of their existence;
(2) America has a lot of people living active lives with health issues that are thought to increase the likelihood of serious complications;
(3) there appears to be a randomness associated with some serious cases that may be caused by conditions we don’t otherwise consider to be “issues” (low vitamin d, strong inflammatory response to disease, low melatonin, etc.) so it’s hard to truly know at this point all who are at risk.
Therefore, healthy or otherwise, we should all be getting vaccinated to protect these folks and ourselves.
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That's a softball.
The fewer adults weaseling out of getting vaccinated, the better off we'll all be.
Oh, and if they're then able to go on and get an RU education and not become a financial and mental drain on society like, well, you, that'd just be icing.
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