I’m sick!

zappaa

Heisman
Jul 27, 2001
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Traveling on plane last night following on game thread and game tracker.
Tremendous defensive effort!
ISO still resulted in two easy buckets for Myles that he somehow missed.
ISO means Houston expends no energy on defense, but neither do we, I need explanation of why no rebounds in last 4 minutes after doing a terrific job for 36 minutes?
Please don’t say they wanted it more, something happened that we all of a sudden couldn’t rebound the ball
 

bethlehemfan

Heisman
Sep 6, 2003
15,112
16,398
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Traveling on plane last night following on game thread and game tracker.
Tremendous defensive effort!
ISO still resulted in two easy buckets for Myles that he somehow missed.
ISO means Houston expends no energy on defense, but neither do we, I need explanation of why no rebounds in last 4 minutes after doing a terrific job for 36 minutes?
Please don’t say they wanted it more, something happened that we all of a sudden couldn’t rebound the ball
Wasn’t the ISO imo although that’s always debatable. Imo we had real good opportunities and we didn’t make a play. We didn’t box out and they seemingly got every bounce down that stretch. Agonizing.
 

RUinPinehurst

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The ball bounces unpredictably. Sometimes it just doesn't bounce favorably for you. Or for your opponent. They got the breaks in the closing minutes last night. We didn't. Fickle dynamic. Frustrating. Yes. It just wasn't our night. Don't beat yourself up. The sun rose this morning. We'll be back.
 

zappaa

Heisman
Jul 27, 2001
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The ball bounces unpredictably. Sometimes it just doesn't bounce favorably for you. Or for your opponent. They got the breaks in the closing minutes last night. We didn't. Fickle dynamic. Frustrating. Yes. It just wasn't our night. Don't beat yourself up. The sun rose this morning. We'll be back.
No bad bounces on missed dunks that win game.
I need to know, were they that easy?
Were they literally no-brainer easy?
 
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wheezer

Heisman
Jun 3, 2001
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25,542
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Traveling on plane last night following on game thread and game tracker.
Tremendous defensive effort!
ISO still resulted in two easy buckets for Myles that he somehow missed.
ISO means Houston expends no energy on defense, but neither do we, I need explanation of why no rebounds in last 4 minutes after doing a terrific job for 36 minutes?
Please don’t say they wanted it more, something happened that we all of a sudden couldn’t rebound the ball

zap,
Allowing Houston to rebound late was part of the problem.
RU made about 4 or 5 offensive mistakes within the last 4 minutes or so, which was just as responsible as the rebounding problems

I deleted the game immediately, could not stomach watching again......but, from memory

at least two unforced dribbling turnovers, Jacob and Geo

the blown dunk,

the blown easy put back by Johnson....

.the inability to bounce the ball off of a Houston player while falling out of bounds....

an ill advised three attempt by McConnell (who played fairly well otherwise)

it was a brutal meltdown
 

koko2315

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Aug 12, 2007
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No bad bounces on missed dunks that win game.
I need to know, were they that easy?
Were they literally no-brainer easy?
It was a play they ran 100 times. The pass was mid air and we were celebrating. I think the back/ankle were definitely barking. Myles seemed to have no lift which affected his game big time, especially rebounding.
 

zappaa

Heisman
Jul 27, 2001
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It was a play they ran 100 times. The pass was mid air and we were celebrating. I think the back/ankle were definitely barking. Myles seemed to have no lift which affected his game big time, especially rebounding.
We still have a chippy put back?
 

RUich

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Aug 2, 2001
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Maybe they just tightened up when the lead started to evaporate. I totally agree with the commentator when he said our offense should not be stalling with such a small lead. We just dribbled the damn ball for 10 seconds each time until a desperation shot or turnover occurred.
 
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koko2315

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Maybe they just tightened up when the lead started to evaporate. I totally agree with the commentator when he said our offense should not be stalling with such a small lead. We just dribbled the damn ball for 10 seconds each time until a desperation shot or turnover occurred.
you can completely take the air out of the ball if you are getting quality shots at the end of the clock. If you run clock and chuck up 3's or take contested jumpers, not so much
 
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wheezer

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Maybe they just tightened up when the lead started to evaporate. I totally agree with the commentator when he said our offense should not be stalling with such a small lead. We just dribbled the damn ball for 10 seconds each time until a desperation shot or turnover occurred.

not defending the "stall", but I can understand part of the reasoning......we have had many situations where Geo killed the clock, and either got a bit inside the three pt line, or beyond it, and hit a step back.....
If that were to have worked, you have added to the lead, and, just as importantly, shortened the game and time allowed for a comeback

if it would have worked.....it did not and thus was a bad
way to go.....

had one of the late shots fell, we would be talking about a kill shot that was significant
 

koko2315

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not defending the "stall", but I can understand part of the reasoning......we have had many situations where Geo killed the clock, and either got a bit inside the three pt line, or beyond it, and hit a step back.....
If that were to have worked, you have added to the lead, and, just as importantly, shortened the game and time allowed for a comeback

if it would have worked.....it did not and thus was a bad
way to go.....

had one of the late shots fell, we would be talking about a kill shot that was significant
exactly...Houston is a team that CAN score in bunches. We just didn't execute. Not like we were about to hang 85 on them and took the foot off the gas. Once the momentum swung, good time out, but just needed one of those turnovers to be buckets and we are singing a different tune and sizing up Cuse
 
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chickenpatty2

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what makes me sick is watching the final play highlight and seeing montez and Jacob just standing there at the foul line as Houston gets the offensive rebound.....

Yes!
I watched the play about 20 times. You see just about every Houston player somewhere around the basket, with the eventual rebounder moving toward the basket in anticipation of getting it. Our guys stood there watching, as if they were us fans watching the shot, hoping it went in. THEY are the ones playing the game. I cannot rebound from my chair. Go to the net, go to the net, go to the net. It's an instinct that hasn't been instilled in them. Hockey smarts, basketball smarts, baseball smarts, basketball smarts. I'm not saying that I could do it, but after watching enough sports, and playing some at one time or another, it's gotta be part of your make-up, or in this case, not. It's tough, but as others have mentioned, the sun came up, and the team had a great year. Hoping this does great things for recruiting, going forward.
 

knight82

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Nov 4, 2002
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The missed dunk will go down in history right along side Ricky Shields missed block out against Virginia Tech that would have sent us to the NCAA Tournament
 

RUforJERSEY

Heisman
Jul 29, 2001
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what makes me sick is watching the final play highlight and seeing montez and Jacob just standing there at the foul line as Houston gets the offensive rebound.....
To me that was mostly on Geo. It was his man. Guy was in the corner with Geo between him and the basket. So because he couldnt go through him, he ran right around Geo who stood there watching until the guy was past and then reacted. By fouling him on top of it. The play was highlighted on ESPN last night. #12 on Houston(A freshman at that) just was more determined on that play.
 

RUTRINI_rivals

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Feel better my Friend. We understand and need to find a way to heal and move forward.

I love my RU family. Be safe.
 
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fluoxetine

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No bad bounces on missed dunks that win game.
I need to know, were they that easy?
Were they literally no-brainer easy?

Only one of them was no-brainer easy, but the bounce off the back of the rim led to a fast break and Houston hit a 3.

Houston also had a player brick two FTs, and the second one was right off the front of the rim back to him. He then hit a 3.

Even with our lack of execution at the end, Houston needed a lot of luck to win that game.
 

fg7321

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Geo Baker is right: Rutgers may never get over this heartbreaking NCAA Tournament loss | Politi
https://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketbal...eartbreaking-ncaa-tournament-loss-politi.html
Sorry but no. Just like we got over 30 years to get here we will get back again. The university is investing in the program to the tune of $150 million and more once the RAC is renovated.

We have a coach who has built multiple programs to the big dance.

We will be able to recruit better because of it.

We are going to get more $$$ from the B1G now.

Cant overlook the fact that many other Rutgers sports programs are on the rise as well.

We are in a great historic conference.

We will recover it hurts it sucks but we will be back.
 

RURM85

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Dec 1, 2012
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11 offensive boards in the second half resulting in wasted energy on defense, second chance points and fouls. It's what Houston does as every single player crashes the glass. It's in their DNA. 14-2 stretch to close the game, 9 points of which were second chance points including the two 3 point plays off of 2 missed FTs by Grimes followed up by an offensive board and 3 pointer, and the old fashioned 3 point play to take the lead.

Myles missed dunks and losing control of a rebound, turnovers by Geo/JY, delay and isolation offense, the need to make 1 more play all valid points, however, losing control of the defensive glass was the most critical factor.

Doesn't answer why it happened as for the 1st half and a decent portion of the 2nd half, Rutgers boxed out and rebounded. However, we wore down and Houston took complete control of Rutgers defensive glass.

Proud of this team for what it accomplished the last 2 years and heart broken today along with the rest of Rutgers Nation. However, I'm really excited about the future and will never forget this team and its season.
 

RUforJERSEY

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Only one of them was no-brainer easy, but the bounce off the back of the rim led to a fast break and Houston hit a 3.

Houston also had a player brick two FTs, and the second one was right off the front of the rim back to him. He then hit a 3.

Even with our lack of execution at the end, Houston needed a lot of luck to win that game.
That means that somebody had to fail to box out the shooter (Grimes) on the free throw. Another fundamental breakdown. How I wish I had recorded the game now.
 

IL Lusciato

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Oct 31, 2011
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I think people are giving too much to the stall...

We needed to bleed out the clock, And the fact is, it was the players who failed to execute, when the opportunities were there.

The missed dunk, the missed layup, Caleb not driving on a guy with a badly hurt hip. And not rebounding on defense. We make any or a few of those plays and we win.

I'm frigging devastated. I truly am. The perception/buzz around a sweet 16 run would be huge.

If we get back in the coming years, then we will look back fondly on this game as the first step....but if we don't, and most these kids leave, it may haunt us for the rest of our lives.

I know I sound melodramatic, and I know there are much more important things in life, but when you are a dedicated sports fan, and esp a fan of Rutgers, (and don't get my started on some of my other teams)...these are the opportunities and years you dream of....and had houston been straight up the better team, it wouldn't feel like we lost such a huge opportunity....it wouldn't haunt us as diehard fans....but this really really hurts. What hurts .ore is the damper it's putting on my Friday memories. Win this game, and the whole weekend was an epic one for the ages. Regardless if next weekend. Now, I'll always remember the heartache two days after that awesome Friday night...
 

fluoxetine

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That means that somebody had to fail to box out the shooter (Grimes) on the free throw. Another fundamental breakdown. How I wish I had recorded the game now.

That’s probably true but the ball was off the front of the rim like a shot right back to him. Our execution failures are much more to blame for the loss than bad luck... but there was definitely bad luck.
 

RUmaz

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The foul shot hit the front rim fairly hard. Came back to middle of the lane just over Myles reach and was tipped out to the Houston player by their guy who was in the
second position on the lane. It was not like the guy shooting jumped forward and grabbed the rebound.
 
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Greg2020

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I think people are giving too much to the stall...

We needed to bleed out the clock, And the fact is, it was the players who failed to execute, when the opportunities were there.

The missed dunk, the missed layup, Caleb not driving on a guy with a badly hurt hip. And not rebounding on defense. We make any or a few of those plays and we win.

I'm frigging devastated. I truly am. The perception/buzz around a sweet 16 run would be huge.

If we get back in the coming years, then we will look back fondly on this game as the first step....but if we don't, and most these kids leave, it may haunt us for the rest of our lives.

I know I sound melodramatic, and I know there are much more important things in life, but when you are a dedicated sports fan, and esp a fan of Rutgers, (and don't get my started on some of my other teams)...these are the opportunities and years you dream of....and had houston been straight up the better team, it wouldn't feel like we lost such a huge opportunity....it wouldn't haunt us as diehard fans....but this really really hurts. What hurts .ore is the damper it's putting on my Friday memories. Win this game, and the whole weekend was an epic one for the ages. Regardless if next weekend. Now, I'll always remember the heartache two days after that awesome Friday night...
agree bigly.
 

RUmaz

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Forced myself to just watch it again. When the Houston player tipped the ball it went just passed Geo who was blocking out the shooter. It flew right past him into the shooters hands.
 

RUinPinehurst

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zap,
Allowing Houston to rebound late was part of the problem.
RU made about 4 or 5 offensive mistakes within the last 4 minutes or so, which was just as responsible as the rebounding problems

I deleted the game immediately, could not stomach watching again......but, from memory

at least two unforced dribbling turnovers, Jacob and Geo

the blown dunk,

the blown easy put back by Johnson....

.the inability to bounce the ball off of a Houston player while falling out of bounds....

an ill advised three attempt by McConnell (who played fairly well otherwise)

it was a brutal meltdown

Bad bounces. Houston had 16 offensive rebounds. It happens sometimes.
 

fg7321

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Nov 29, 2009
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ONE MORE

One more made dunk

Or

One more putback

Or

One more rebound

And Rutgers is in the Sweet 16

We can do this all day long. What if they hit all their Free throws that they missed? What if the ball in the Clemson game did not get bounced off of RHJ to Geo?

What if we did not make the tourney?

It is what it is. Enjoy what we did accomplish.
 
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rockyrutgers

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zap,
Allowing Houston to rebound late was part of the problem.
RU made about 4 or 5 offensive mistakes within the last 4 minutes or so, which was just as responsible as the rebounding problems

I deleted the game immediately, could not stomach watching again......but, from memory

at least two unforced dribbling turnovers, Jacob and Geo

the blown dunk,

the blown easy put back by Johnson....

.the inability to bounce the ball off of a Houston player while falling out of bounds....

an ill advised three attempt by McConnell (who played fairly well otherwise)

it was a brutal meltdown

This explains why we lost. No other reason. The putback and 1, by Houston was the backbreaker. Three guys watched the ball, while the Houston guy went up for it.
 

Caliknight

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Sep 21, 2001
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No bad bounces on missed dunks that win game.
I need to know, were they that easy?
Were they literally no-brainer easy?
I wouldn’t consider that a dunk a no brainer. Yes you would like a 7 foot tall center to flush it but that was contested.

It was the play of the game. Play of the year really. He makes that and basketball is changed forever.
 

Ronnie_B

Heisman
Dec 30, 2011
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I have such a heavy heart today, and it's not just because we lost, it's the way we most that eats me up. If it was a game we lost that went back and forth from tipoff to the final horn, I could deal with it better.