I agree players should be allowed to be compensated, the tough part is how to implement it. How do you decide what pool of money this comes from? How much should be allocated to players? Do the players get an equal amount? If not, how do you calculate who gets what? Lot’s of questions but not easy answers.
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how about we do away with scholorships, kids can pay their own way for their education but can make as much money as they want for their likeness
How does 5 star recruit from New Jersey's The Patrick School effect Rutgers? Oh I dont know...
Totally false. Right now their is a website that sells t-shirts with RHJ image on it. Neither RU nor RHJ get a cent. RHJ get a cut. Also, running a basketball camp over the summer that is in New Hampshire takes nothing away from RU.
I remember walking on the football team and being thrilled that the athletics department was going to get me a parking pass (that the school wouldn't give me because I was a freshman), because the team gave me a pair of grey sweatpants and a shirt that said "Rutgers" on them, and because it meant I was allowed to work out in the Hale Center's gym (instead of Sonny Werblin - that was brand new and actually nicer).
if a company is selling RHJ’s image on a tee shirt without his permission it’s against the law.
NIL is about the athletes getting paid a fee by anyone that wants to use their image for profit, like the school making money off of team posters and programs or EA Sports making money off of characters that are exactly like the players. Boosters paying players or high school recruits would still be illegal.
Why do you even respond to that idiot? His comment of "No effort", is comical.
Typical "supposed" fan that knows nothing about the NBA. If he just said he didn't like the NBA, I would at least give him a little pass.
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I don't see what he and others are proposing as reflecting poorly on him, the school, or anybody else. Nor do I have an opinion about the goodness/badness of the proposals. It's really none of my business.
Everybody everywhere is always trying to game the system to earn more money. Seems to me that's all Geo and other NCAA athletes are trying to do. No different than CEO's or teachers or lawyers or ditch-diggers.
That is such a "plantation" mentality. "Hey, boys, you get room and board and free education and now you want to get paid for your work? Well how about if you get nothing, you uppity players?"
"We will make a lot of money of your efforts and bring fame to the plantation but don't you dare ask for any of it. Just dribble and shut up."
It's time to put down your confederate flag, Bac. Your side lost.
Why would you imagine it would matter to him what you, or I, or anybody else except the NCAA thinks about it?
I'm sure you'd be very concerned with his opinion about how you go about earning money.
At the end of the day it is quite simple. How much are you willing to pay for a Geo Baker Game Jersey : Sneakers: Autographed basketball: Photo? How much is that car dealership going to pay Baker for hawking their new SUV line on TV. Actually I understand why Geo thinks he’s worth X because his likeness is owned by the NCAA. So give them all some pocket money of say $ 50 per day during the season. So around $10,500 ...should be enough for the # 8-13 players. BTW who should get more on Rutgers : RHJ , G . Baker , Myles Johnson , J.Young ?
Bask in your guilt - Most of us just laugh and enjoy life.
I feel like most of their earning potential would be from appearances.
Just as a hypothetical, say some random NJ high school basketball coach hosts a summer basketball camp. The camp reaches out to a prominent basketball player from the State University, say Geo Baker. The camp throws Geo some money and then markets the camp as “Coach Whoever’s Basketball Camp, with guest instructor Geo Baker.” Geo makes an appearance, gets a little dough, the coach boosts interest in his camp, and the kids there get to meet a guy they watch play on TV.
I’d imagine there’d be a market for that type of thing, at least locally.
Really? Are you going to pay to have Geo Baker make an appearance other than at Rutgers or maybe a kids BB banquet. Now I might pay a Brian Leonard or Ray Rice ( pre incident) or the McCourty’s but this idea that Baker is on that level well not yet .
Would I pay to have a D1 basketball player and prominent member of the Rutgers basketball team make an appearance at a basketball camp in New Jersey? Yes, absolutely.
Remember during the summer when kids were tweeting videos at Geo of themselves taking step back jumpers in their driveways? The young man has an audience, seems like a no brainer to me.
Here’s perhaps a different, more realistic, way of looking at the NIL income possibilities for the future. Anyone else ever send their kids to those 3 hour sports camps during school break weeks? They run them at YMCAs, sports domes, etc. The one we did over the last break was $59 a day for 9-1 drop off. The question is, how much more could a place like this charge if the package included an hour clinic with RU basketball star Geo Baker? It’s a significant non-zero number and there’s no question a kid like him could negotiate a nice rate (not the chump change the typical instructors at these things get) to do this. As long as it’s the off-season and/or not interfering with his commitment to RU basketball he and other players should be able to make money this way in my opinion.
Yeah you beat me to this as I was posting. But it would be the more organized camps too in a post NIL world.
The volleyball program was doing OK before big $ entered basketball and football. Ever since you have seen programs cut left and right. I am on both sides of this argument. I love college basketball and I have a child whose college program was cut indirectly because of football.
Not because of football; it's because of Title IX. Title IX forces the school to fund a ton of programs and scholarships that have no chance of ever even breaking even. Football makes money for the school.
Can you imagine the fight to be on the cover of the media guide?
Are we allowing these players to be able to hire agents?
Now there is a legal way to get kids to come to school X?
Money needs to be out of college sports period. Maybe we should look to have a business model where we lower coaches salaries and some how funnel money back to the universities and actual have college sports not be a loser of money and maybe lower the cost of education.
In theory politicians are not supposed to benefit financially while in office. Not sure why an amateur athlete should be viewed any differently.
Geo will be selling shirts with just his name on it. Not with the block “R” or anything that represents Rutgers. How many shirts do you think he really sells?
As far as boosters even though it happens it’s against the rules and is done in the shadows. It still carries a penalty if caught and enforced properly. That’s not really an argument to make it legal.
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So does Geo think every out of state student should get a completely free tuition like he has? He's talking about equal rights. Is it equal, to Geo, that he got a 200k education for free while some poor bastard has to pay that off in loans for the next couple decades?
What exactly constitutes equal rights from his perspective? He mentioned the music scholarship student being able to make an album. Do those music students have a 100% free tuition scholarship like he has? Would he trade some scholarship money for the ability run a basketball camp with his name on it?
What exactly constitutes equal rights from his perspective? He mentioned the music scholarship student being able to make an album. Do those music students have a 100% free tuition scholarship like he has? Would he trade some scholarship money for the ability run a basketball camp with his name on it?
Huh? No media guide or agents. What are you talking about? Why shouldn’t Geo be able to walk into the YMCA himself and apply to be an instructor there and negotiate a pay rate like anyone else? The YMCA would be listing his bio as one of the clinic leads just like they do for everyone on the program flyer. Just because he has a better resume and can command a higher rate on his own doesn’t make it corrupt.
Here’s a serious question I don’t know the answer to. Are kids on college swim teams allowed to obtain WSI certification and make money teaching swim lessons over the summer. You give your background to do that. For a player that would involve “revealing” (or marketing) they are a member of the college swim team.
Nah that’s not where the money really is for these kids. It’s the camps /clinics, private lessons, maybe occasional advertisements for the more prominent players.
There are certainly NCAA swimmers that lifeguard at beaches/pools at the Jersey Shore (and elsewhere) in the summer. Presumably, there are NCAA swimmers, whether DI, DII, or DIII, that teach swim lessons and/or coach local swim team in the summer somewhere while being a student-athletes.
Advertisements who on our team would command such a gig? Hell Eli was doing Toyota of Secaucas and you think these kids are getting a gig like that. Camps? The headliners will still be the coaches, how many kids are signing up for the Geo Baker Camp?
Sorry but the big money will come from the big booster sponsored autograph sessions. Know what Rutgers guys will get? Jack sh*t. You just opened up the flood gates to yet another professional league. Except this time there’s no salary cap. Highest bidder takes home the trophy at the end of the year. Sounds like fun.
As I said earlier on, whatever side you're on with this issue it is terrible timing and bad optics right now to all RU fans. Two days before the university plays it's first tournament game in 30 years our captain feels the need to comment on this?
For those of you who want to pay the athletes how do you figure who gets what? Does Geo get more then Luke, if so why? They both are putting in the same amount of hours. What about Olympic sport athletes? Do our gymnasts, track and field athletes, soccer, volleyball, softball and baseball players get paid too? If so, equal to revenue sport producing people? What about walk ons? Do they get paid?
I'd like to see a proposal from someone on this.
If Geo Baker wanted to run a camp in Derry would kids go if he was Geo Baker from Derry? No they would go because he's the captain of the Rutgers University basketball team who they've seen play on TV. His name and likeness only have value because he's a college basketball player. Without that he's just another guy shooting around in the playground.
For those of you who want to pay the athletes how do you figure who gets what? Does Geo get more then Luke, if so why? They both are putting in the same amount of hours. What about Olympic sport athletes? Do our gymnasts, track and field athletes, soccer, volleyball, softball and baseball players get paid too? If so, equal to revenue sport producing people? What about walk ons? Do they get paid?
I'd like to see a proposal from someone on this.
If Geo Baker wanted to run a camp in Derry would kids go if he was Geo Baker from Derry? No they would go because he's the captain of the Rutgers University basketball team who they've seen play on TV. His name and likeness only have value because he's a college basketball player. Without that he's just another guy shooting around in the playground.
yes, because the RUScrewpod carries a great deal of societal weight and deep intellectual insight - plus Vladimir Putin jokes and great discussions about hot dogs ... so, I would be very concerned about their input on this subject.
It’s not exactly clear to me why letting players profit from their likeness would make this worse though?
I mostly think that if someone wants to put Geo Baker in a TV ad that the NCAA is grossly overstepping their boundaries to stop that.
I couldn't care less how geo feels. I care about not being embarrassed in our first ncaa appearance in 30 years. Hopefully he is ready to show and wasn't just waiting for this to use our school as a giant soap box.
It's very disappointing that he picked this time and place for this.
And you don’t see how this could be used as a recruiting tool? Hey Wimsatt come to Kentucky we can promise you 5 autograph sessions at $20k a pop and it’s all legal. What can Rutgers offer you? He who pays the most wins. Sounds like fun. It’s basically professional sports without a salary cap. Think Rutgers wants to run a Professional sports franchise?
Advertisements would be situational. Every once in a while a college kid makes some crazy shot or does something that goes viral that could be commercialized. Spot opportunities.
With the camps, it’s not liky to be “the Geo Baker camp” rather it would be Geo being able to apply and negotiate a highly competitive rate to be an instructor at an established place or run a clinic. This is currently not allowed.
It’s a fair point. I would think all earning opportunities would have to be reported to and approved by the respective schools and subject to NCAA audit for legitimacy. Wouldn’t totally eliminate corruption but would make it better.
Actually, I don't. I think his mindset is not about winning. Its about how he's not making money. I think he's just looking at it like an unpaid internship that he's dissatisfied with. Its just a job at this point.