would be an 11 or one of the last 10s, remember it means byes not next 4 in so the A10 champ or MWC champ or MVC champ could be slotted as 11s...whatever the case it means RU really needs to beat Minnesota to end this drama as quick as possible
And so it begins....moved to last 4 byes
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Tbh i trust wachtel more than lunardi and wachtel has us as a 9 seed. Lunardi’s thought seems to be win and in vs minny, lose and you need some things to break your way.
Either way, bottom line, one more win and we SHOULD be in. Make no mistake tho, its coming down to our last game. We are a bubble team and thats kinda fun and exciting
Either way, bottom line, one more win and we SHOULD be in. Make no mistake tho, its coming down to our last game. We are a bubble team and thats kinda fun and exciting
I touched on this last night, what is happening is other schools are playing their way ahead of RU by getting good wins, RU has not had a decent win since Michigan State the Minnesota and Indiana wins are now not looked at in the same light.
You have ACC schools like UL and UNC that have jumped over RU, Sparty will if they can beat Mich, Maryland already passed us.
Winning at Minnesota is not a quality win, so while it will get RU in the tournament, do not expect RU to rise much. I am really seeing 10 or an 11 not in the play in game as the most likely scenerio if we dont win a Big 10 tourney game
one of the key things right now is the record, had RU played too soft cupcakes and some point and sat at 15-10, we really would not be worried, its that 13-12 is an issue
You have ACC schools like UL and UNC that have jumped over RU, Sparty will if they can beat Mich, Maryland already passed us.
Winning at Minnesota is not a quality win, so while it will get RU in the tournament, do not expect RU to rise much. I am really seeing 10 or an 11 not in the play in game as the most likely scenerio if we dont win a Big 10 tourney game
one of the key things right now is the record, had RU played too soft cupcakes and some point and sat at 15-10, we really would not be worried, its that 13-12 is an issue
Joe is known for this, he moved Louisville back over RU because UL got their game cancelled today, it means that they are pretty much locked in at this point as a L would have hurt. He also somehow bumped UConn over RU which is really odd considering they have a flimsy resume. Watch tomorrow when RU is behind SHU if SHU wins.
Joe is more of a predictive type with the bracket, he sets it up based on games to be played that night, he is postioning SHU-UConn and flipping their spots if SHU wins. Its also amazing to see Drake who lost on Sunday barely took at hit in their projections.
Joe is more of a predictive type with the bracket, he sets it up based on games to be played that night, he is postioning SHU-UConn and flipping their spots if SHU wins. Its also amazing to see Drake who lost on Sunday barely took at hit in their projections.
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they have Kaschleur is out but the other 2 even banged up likely to play.
Honestly if we do not beat them we do not deserve to go. Its not a charity. We didnt show up vs the last place team. I dont care how out of their mind they played, the game was over 30 seconds in, thats more important than that we lost.
You see which teams are playing well right now around the country in crunch time..those are the well coached teams....Michigan State, Purdue, Oregon, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Illinois, Arkansas, Oklahoma State all really playing their best ball and improving their seedings
then you have schools limping to the finish with obvious issues....Rutgers, Seton Hall, Wisconsin, Boise State, Minnesota, Indiana, Missouri, Stanford.
Honestly if we do not beat them we do not deserve to go. Its not a charity. We didnt show up vs the last place team. I dont care how out of their mind they played, the game was over 30 seconds in, thats more important than that we lost.
You see which teams are playing well right now around the country in crunch time..those are the well coached teams....Michigan State, Purdue, Oregon, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Illinois, Arkansas, Oklahoma State all really playing their best ball and improving their seedings
then you have schools limping to the finish with obvious issues....Rutgers, Seton Hall, Wisconsin, Boise State, Minnesota, Indiana, Missouri, Stanford.
This is what happens when the team plays like a yoyo performing at a high level at the beginning of B1G league games and then quickly reversing course with a prolonged downward trend at the worse possible time.The horrendous performance against Nebraska is the culmination of the downward trend.Woeful shooting typified by long scoring droughts has now put Rutgers in the position that the last game of the season against Minnesota might decide a NCAA bid..I don't think its exciting and fun for a basketball program that has waited for 30 years to now face the tremendous pressure to defeat Minnesota on the road.
whether he is a joke or not is not the issue. The issue is RU has put themselves in this kind of spot. Yes I can see Lunardi's thinking here and its not that far out all things considering.
The wins we got early were huge but you have to add to those wins. Michigan State is our only big win in 2021..that is telling
same thing happened last year but RU was able to pull it out backs against the wall against better schools...Maryland and at Purdue....those were really great wins.
Unfortunately at Minnesota isnt going to be considered all that hot especially when we got routed by a 5-17 team the game before. I mean we may finish 8th and MSU 9th and they are going to be prohibitive favorites to beat us in the tourney game
No question NE was a bad loss, but 6-4 in our last 10 is not "limping" (but losing 3 of the last 4 isn't great) and I thought that used to be looked at, but not now. So if it's not looked at, our body of work is still pretty strong, as you've detailed. Based on that body of work, I still don't see us out at 13-12, but I know some will disagree. Of course, win at MN and all of that discussion goes away and we're an 8/9 seed going into the B10 tourney.
No disrespect . You do a great job but why not focus on Wachtel or Jerry Palm who have us as
8 and 9 seeds
limping because we have not had a win of note vs a tourney team since Jan 28..its an issue. and yes because13-12 is an uncharted territory for a ncaa bid..yes a special year...if we had scheduled a couple of gimmes, 15-12 would be different
our body of work is actually getting reduced with how bad that Indiana and Minnesota have played. Yes Illinois and Purdue, Maryland, MSU wins look great but thats all we have
our body of work is actually getting reduced with how bad that Indiana and Minnesota have played. Yes Illinois and Purdue, Maryland, MSU wins look great but thats all we have
I have RU as a 9...but its tenuous, RU will drop a spot in the 9 range tonight in my bracket as the Oreg/UCLA winner passes us. That puts RU close to the 10 line. If you argue for UL or UNC over RU, then RU is a 10.
Palm also had Xavier and UConn 8s recently which is way overdoing it.
I am not worried about where RU is if they win vs Minnesota....they are in....albeit seeding still might not be great....its the worry of the scenerio I see unfolding if they dont win and then dont beat Minny/MSU in the Big 12 tourney
Wachtel says we need to beat Minnesota, I am sure he is well aware of the scenario that would knock us out
it doesnt...but the fact is we are holding at 4 quality wins while others are annexing them and caught up to us in their profiles..see what I am saying
you cannot just fall off the map, I know the Big 10 is tough but geez you cannot use that argument right when you get blown out by 21 to the last place team. Its March, time to step up. RU has one game to make any doubters go away
you cannot just fall off the map, I know the Big 10 is tough but geez you cannot use that argument right when you get blown out by 21 to the last place team. Its March, time to step up. RU has one game to make any doubters go away
oh I think they are trash personally
their only wins are UConn and Xavier, and big deal Penn State is Q1 but they are 8-12. If they beat UConn they are back in the field for now. Lets see if they stay there though.
How is their resume close to ours
UConn twice if they win
PSU and Xavier vs
Illinois
Md
Mich State
Purdue
it will be the committee deciding to go with 23-4 Drake over 13-12 RU
Totally agree here; if we do not beat Minny, then I can see us not winning the first round of the BIG Ten Tourney, and we're out. We said it earlier, if they go 2-2 their last four games, they're in; hoping they would have taken care of business against Nebby, but now it comes down to this, just like last season agains Purdue.
#34 Uconn 2-3 3-3 4-0 Big East 4th
N 23 USC'19-6, @ 53 Xavier 13-6 , @ 88 Marq 12-13, @ 114 Butler.9-13, @ 89 GU 9-11, oh and an 8 PT loss @ 11 Nova
#38 Rutgers 4-9 5-1 2-0 B1G #1
Vs 4 Illinois(beat UM) 19-6, Vs 21 Purdue 17-8, @ 28 Md 14-10, @ 59 Indiana 12-13, Vs 55 Syracuse 14-8, Vs 71 MSU 14-10, @ 89 NW 6-14, Vs 69 Minnesota 13-12(beat UM), Vs Indiana
Purdue 2-3 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU (Net #3-8)
Md. 1-4 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU
RU 1-5 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU
Indiana 2-4 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU
Minnesota 3-4 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU
MSU 2-3 vs Iowa,Ill,OSU, 2 left with UM
NW 1-6 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU
But UConn belongs ahead of RU? Our first 2 wins are better than any UConn win, NW would have a better record than UConn with Uconn's schedule.
I don't even need to go into GA Tech or VCU, that RU belongs in the class of any of these 3, they don't seed based on what have you done for me lately.
#40.G.Tech 2-6 6-0 3-2 ACC 5th
#36 VCU 1-4 7-0 4-2 A10 9th
N 23 USC'19-6, @ 53 Xavier 13-6 , @ 88 Marq 12-13, @ 114 Butler.9-13, @ 89 GU 9-11, oh and an 8 PT loss @ 11 Nova
#38 Rutgers 4-9 5-1 2-0 B1G #1
Vs 4 Illinois(beat UM) 19-6, Vs 21 Purdue 17-8, @ 28 Md 14-10, @ 59 Indiana 12-13, Vs 55 Syracuse 14-8, Vs 71 MSU 14-10, @ 89 NW 6-14, Vs 69 Minnesota 13-12(beat UM), Vs Indiana
Purdue 2-3 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU (Net #3-8)
Md. 1-4 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU
RU 1-5 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU
Indiana 2-4 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU
Minnesota 3-4 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU
MSU 2-3 vs Iowa,Ill,OSU, 2 left with UM
NW 1-6 vs Iowa,UM,Ill,OSU
But UConn belongs ahead of RU? Our first 2 wins are better than any UConn win, NW would have a better record than UConn with Uconn's schedule.
I don't even need to go into GA Tech or VCU, that RU belongs in the class of any of these 3, they don't seed based on what have you done for me lately.
#40.G.Tech 2-6 6-0 3-2 ACC 5th
#36 VCU 1-4 7-0 4-2 A10 9th
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Its not about that..its about 13-12 if people can't get that in their heads they don't understand the selection process
Finish 14-11 and they are fine
Finish 14-11 and they are fine
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