Pace saved the season
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I am not sure if its completely pace or if you probably look in the stats we hit 3 pointers and when that happens it just opens everything up
We're also undefeated when we outscore our opponents.
The OP's "I told you so" ramblings are getting tiresome.. and the constant agenda to attack one of our players is so weird.
So are you implying that we deliberately played a slow pace @ Michigan State and against Wisconsin? We tried to beat them down the court in transition and failed. Shots didn’t fall.
funny you mention that...
we are 45 of 103 from 3 in our five fastest paced games.....
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No shocker there. These kids are such a better team sped up. We also have some really good rhythm/transition 3 point shooters who arent so great when theyre shooting in a slow half court
michigan St was a clunker it’s the biggest outlier of the season - we stunk all the way around a lot of it because of the players I think are good didn’t play that well but of course other reasons
Wisconsin yeah I mean Pike said it out loud iirc lol pike did some good things vs Wisconsin too it wasn’t a bad game wish he kept with that core a little bit longer
OK not attack, but point out ad nauseam when this player misses or messes up just to prove some point.
You just seem really arrogant and have an agenda. Almost wishing someone to fail just so your point can be proven right.
You just seem really arrogant and have an agenda. Almost wishing someone to fail just so your point can be proven right.
OP is all over the place.
A couple games ago he was harping about how Pikiell needs to focus on offense and less on defense because our pace was slacking. That game we got destroyed on the boards and barely forced any turnovers.
Our pace is driven by our defense and rebounding.
A couple games ago he was harping about how Pikiell needs to focus on offense and less on defense because our pace was slacking. That game we got destroyed on the boards and barely forced any turnovers.
Our pace is driven by our defense and rebounding.
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I mean you said Baker now was the same player as Baker freshman year lol.
Your bias oozes through your posts.
I just want the team to win and love talking basketball and like to share what I see and research the team a lot.
“The ball just went in” doesn’t sit well with me it’s better to identify the underlying cause. You can’t tell your boss “it just worked out” and expect it to pass. There are some people here who like to talk in more detail. I admit I’m not right all the time so not quite sure about the arrogance comment. I find those who say “the ball just went in” or “those numbers are just a coincidence” to be more arrogant tbh but I don’t call them out
This is also chicken-or-the-egg. When 3P shots are going in, the players loosen up and get more aggressive offensively. When shots aren't falling, they get tighter and end up with a lot of late-shot-clock forced shots.
So, do we play faster because the threes are going in? Or do we make more threes because we're playing faster?
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Hes right tho people just hate that hes right. Hes absolutely NAILED what lineup we should rock with to win, that lineup ran the floor last night and as soon as we turned to them the game did a 180
"I just want the team to win", wow you sound so innocent.
No one really has an issue with whether he is wrong or right. And no one is 100% wrong or right on their opinions on this board. It's the way he says things.
Except he’s not right. He was saying last week to that Young/Mathis need more time than Baker/McConnell.
Like I said, he’s all over the place.
Most people agreed that Young needed to see the court more but these constant posts over and over to try and push an agenda get kind of old.
The cherry picking of stats is also comical.
Certain people only see or talk about what they want to see and talk about lol.
Certain people only see or talk about what they want to see and talk about lol.
Turns out playing young more and McConnell less outweighs needing to change Geos minutes as much.
As I’ve said he has to score to play a lot and that fix seems to help him score (and RHJ).
Had Pike decided to continue playing Paul and McConnell close to 30 than not playing Geo as much in favor of young/Mathis would definitely be a good solution.
Or maybe Geo is actually a key contributor and leader of the team and he’s improved since freshman year?
Or maybe hitting baskets helps you win games?
Sometimes things aren’t that complicated. Well they’re not when you don’t have agendas.
Geo has always been a key contributor. This team is not that deep. You saying I don’t think he is a key contributor is your talking point. Not mine. I have always said Geo needs to score to be playing high minutes. That Geo McConnell Paul isn’t the best line up for us. That Geo is the same player he was as a freshman - well by and large he is - though we see he flourishes more offensively with pace and Young playing. Contrary to your opinion, that makes me happy.
I already laid out actual numbers that support when we play with pace (generally leads to certain lineups/players playing more) we shoot better from deep. This a fact.
I think you are constantly looking to trip me up because you think I’m attacking guys - I’m really not - you just have a natural reaction to take basketball talk that’s not over the top celebratory to be negative. I make a lot of positive comments about players on this team you really don’t reply to. We can DM about that if you want.
there was much more transition game where we pushed simply because our defense was better and Indiana was taking some bad shots at times.
You’re pretty much always putting Baker down, even if it’s subtle.
When you keep saying his minutes should be reduced and he’s the same player as freshman year - I take that to mean you don’t think he’s really a key contributor. But I’m glad you’re now okay with Baker playing a lot.
This is where I think we differ:
I actually think our team is pretty darn deep. We’re really athletic, quick and have so many versatile pieces. As a whole, we play pretty darn good defense and rebound well. When our top 8 players are on, we can go head to head with any team in the country.
The problem is we don’t a team full of pure shooters and that translates into streaks and slumps. There could be games or stretches of games where a players minutes need to be reduced or increased based on how they’re playing.
It’s Pikiells job to find the right lineups of the guys that are playing the best at the time. He can’t get complacent and lazy with the substitutions, which has happened in the past. He did a great job last night putting the guys on the floor who were playing the best for the most minutes (aside from Douc but it was senior night).
defense helps no one would argue that but we have not made the conscious decision to PUSH THE BALL REALLY FAST after good defensive possessions in a very long time. Glad we did BOTH last night.
I can see engrained in my memory somebody grabbing a bored on D and swallowing the ball up happy often before we decide to take it up the floor.
I agree with the title but we also have to consider that slowing it down stopped a 5 game skid and started a 4 game win streak. So pace definitely helped there by slowing it down.
OP won’t acknowledge those 9 games because it goes against his theory.
- For the 4 losses Young played more minutes than McConnell
- For 4 out of the 5 wins McConnell played more minute than Young
This isn’t me saying that Young shouldn’t be playing more than McConnell now or shouldn’t have gotten more minutes the last few games.
But it’s perfect evidence to dispute the idea that certain players should always get more/less minutes than others. It’s a long season and we’re a streaky team. The style of our play should also be dependent upon what team were playing
Three pointers are difference makers in catching up and pulling away from opponents.
yes results were good but IMO we have to consider that we played a much easier schedule. For me it’s a likelihood though I’ll concede to being just a possibility that the previous lineup would’ve done as well if not better.
@Yeah Baby 2 of the 4 slowest paced games were Michigan St and Wisconsin
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TRUE.. especially defense. Make opponents MISS shots... on MADE shots, they will always get back on D and force us into a half-court offense when transition offense is what we feed on. And, of course, for there to be a transition, we must BOARD the missed shots.
The pace after the first ten minutes in the half court was MUCH better as well. Guys moved a lot faster and more fluid ...and, finally, didn’t hesitate to shoot when the shot was there
Must keep the “let it Rip mentality “...play with more confidence in their instincts and not overthink and slow it down
Must keep the “let it Rip mentality “...play with more confidence in their instincts and not overthink and slow it down