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[mildone_rivals]

Amen.

Admittedly I missed most of the first half due to IND/NW and then got so annoyed with the box itself (i.e. Myles fouls), I don't even know anything about the Weiscamp play you are referring to. Then in the second half when I finally found the stomach to turn it on, I mean no more than 3 seconds after I do, I see PM take a swinging elbow from Garza and they give PM the foul. Jokers (refs) then proceed to do nothing, Garza gets an immediate 3 for his efforts, and I see Pike with his arms folded on the sideline.

Read this about the cylinder rule and you'll learn why the refs called it the way they did:

https://ncaambb.arbitersports.com/G...Clarifications_and_Play_Situations_111716.pdf

Like most stuff, it's subject to interpretation in real-time by the refs. But the point here is that just because somebody is hit in the face with a swinging elbow, it doesn't mean that it's not a foul by the player who got hit.

Pike understands the rules. Most people don't. And while I'm sure he didn't like the call, he knows the call by the refs was perfectly within the rules. No amount of hysterics from the sideline would've helped at that particular point.

I personally thought PM hadn't invaded the cylinder, and the foul shouldn't have been called on him. But then I also know for a fact that I'm highly biased towards RU and it's impossible for me to not see it, at least somewhat, the way I want to see it.

 

[Joey Bags]

You have no freaking idea what you're talking about and have obviously not watched Pikiell up close in person in a real game. I will say this though, this staff has got to do something about Johnson's body language. The way he looks like he's given up when he picks up a foul or two has to rub off on everyone else. It rubs off on me, I can tell you that because every time he gets a foul now I figure the game is over.

He does a lot of clapping and repeatedly yells "Let's go".

When BS goes down on the court Pike has a markedly different reaction than all of our peer coaches ranked higher than us in conference. So far I have not seen a game where this approach has paid off. Perhaps Johnson's body language is so bad because he knows he can't argue with the refs and he also knows Pike really won't push the issue during the game. It's also telling he felt the need to go to twitter to air out his feelings after the OSU game.

 

[rudad02]

Pike had a front row seat playing for one of the all time great workers of referees in Jim Calhoun yet chooses to take a different path. He could be more demonstrative/animated at times without getting a T but chooses not to. Whether that would truly be helpful is open to debate as is whether crossing the line and getting a T is any better.

Perhaps he is just trying to practice what he teaches his kids is that they need to play through adversity and focus on what they can control. Unfortunately getting a consistently favorable whistle on close judgement calls takes time and seems to be reserved for those few with a proven track record of winning.

Constantly getting hosed puts the guys in a straight jacket uncertain of how to play, frustrates & demoralizes them.

 

[HPNJRUfan]

after one of the BS calls, the radio crew said Pike was fired up going after the ref and you can't see how Pike is reacting on TV.

Pretty sure it was the Mathis charge on Garza when Garza jumped up and Mathis banged into him. Garza hit the ground like he was 160 pounds and Mathis was the 265 player. It was a joke.

This - after one of the many bogus fouls (I think it was this one) you can hear on the tv feed Pikiell yelling at the top of his lungs "are you kidding me?". People in this thread are being overly emotional. I'd much rather have a coach with the demeanor of Steve Pikiell than someone like Fran McCaffery (a whiny b****h).

 

[FrankZ_RU93]

Constantly getting hosed puts the guys in a straight jacket uncertain of how to play, frustrates & demoralizes them.

Truth

 

[FrankZ_RU93]

This - after one of the many bogus fouls (I think it was this one) you can hear on the tv feed Pikiell yelling at the top of his lungs "are you kidding me?". People in this thread are being overly emotional. I'd much rather have a coach with the demeanor of Steve Pikiell than someone like Fran McCaffery (a whiny b****h).

Don't get me wrong, I prefer Pike's demeanor to the trash I saw from Fran at Iowa last year (that as an aside of course was monstrous in securing their comeback W), but that elbow bit yesterday bothered me (and I didn't even see the play where PM was toweling off his face earlier in the game).

 

[FrankZ_RU93]

Read this about the cylinder rule and you'll learn why the refs called it the way they did

If Myles does exactly the same thing, what happens 9.9999 or even 10 times out of 10?

 

[Anon1751594821]

they had a different feed. they made a couple mistakes during the game....a couple of times they saw a make or a miss a couple seconds before their feed they were commenting on.....idk it was strange. Because their feed also had no replays. So idk it could have showed more or maybe a wide shot of the entire court as opposed to the half court zoom TV shows us. They absolutely made the comment and I didn't see anything, so something was different. They at times were watching a Fox app on a phone for replays of fouls.

I did not listen to the radio feed. I did not realize they could have a different feed. Not sure why that would be possible, unless there were feeds from the different cameras on all the time, but who knows. Thanks

Best of Luck,
Groz

 

[mildone_rivals]

If Myles does exactly the same thing, what happens 9.9999 or even 10 times out of 10?

I think that, just based on my anecdotal experience, regardless of who is involved, the foul will usually be called on the offensive player in that situation. So what?

I already wrote about how I think our coach and players should work to improve our officiating gamesmanship. Beyond that, I’m not sure what you want. Life is unfair. You already know that.

It’s not in my nature to play the victim and whine about stuff that’s unfair.

 

[fluoxetine]

PSU coach gets a T and criticizes B1G refs and gets fined....and next few games PSU gets benefits of less fouls, turns the season around and starts winning games.

Ok, but then can we credit Pikiell's lack of the T in the Penn St game for the subsequent four game winning streak?

 

[FrankZ_RU93]

It’s not in my nature to play the victim and whine about stuff that’s unfair.

Fair enough, I usually don't either...except when it comes to basketball officiating which for whatever reason zaps the lifeblood right out of me.

 

[zebnatto]

That's almost always true of every game. We could have won that game despite some bad calls by the refs. But we couldn't win it with the TOs, the abysmal FT and 3-point shooting combined with Wieskamp being unstoppable from beyond the arc.

We played really good D on some series, high energy in their face, and then Wieskamp drains a 3 with Harper right there in his face. And some other Iowa players drained some other key 3 pointers at key times for them, halting our efforts to claw our way back into it.

I will say, though, that for the most part, our team never gave up and fought like hell. The effort and desire was there. We just got beat by a team that clearly outperformed us.

Agree, that's why writing "we lost because of the refs" is as silly as saying "the refs didn't affect the outcome." Many factors, some of which I pointed contributed to the L.

(There was no abysmal FT shooting. We shot 4/6. Iowa went to the line 20 times.)

 

[G- RUnit]

Ok, but then can we credit Pikiell's lack of the T in the Penn St game for the subsequent four game winning streak?

If you want to play that poker, I see you and raise Ohio State Game #1 and Iowa #1. Did we win PSU?

 

[fluoxetine]

If you want to play that poker, I see you and raise Ohio State Game #1 and Iowa #1. Did we win PSU?

Wat

You directly attribute Penn State's winning streak to the coach criticizing the refs. Pike didn't do that. So how did we have a winning streak?

 

[knightfan7]

I don’t understand why people think Pike getting a T helps us. The team already plays hard. The refs aren’t going to change.

i'm thinking Pike believes getting T'd up to prove a point is more harmful than helpful. He knows the team better than any of us and I wonder if he feels the distraction it causes isn't worth it.

 

[fluoxetine]

Wat

You directly attribute Penn State's winning streak to the coach criticizing the refs. Pike didn't do that. So how did we have a winning streak?

Also the game that the Penn State coach got fined for criticizing the refs in was against Purdue on 1/17.. they lost the next game, with Illinois shooting 28 FT to their 21. The magic technical doesn't kick in until one game later when they play us.

 

[richthedentist]

And my rebuttal is let's put 2 fouls on Garza in seconds and see how they fare. Yes, I know we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, but officiating has such a destructive impact on basketball games due to the power of the whistle (i.e. fouls) it's nauseating.

Yeah Garza gets 2 and he is out the rest of the half totally different ball game

 

[G- RUnit]

Also the game that the Penn State coach got fined for criticizing the refs in was against Purdue on 1/17.. they lost the next game, with Illinois shooting 28 FT to their 21. The magic technical doesn't kick in until one game later when they play us.

And after that and that and that... turning point of their season...

 

[fluoxetine]

And after that and that and that... turning point of their season...

So then WHY DID OUR SEASON TURN AROUND? There was no technical? It almost seems like maybe there could be something else that "turned their season around"?

FFS their 5 game losing streak contained two games against Illinois, one against Michigan, and one on the road against Purdue. Maybe they just lost because they are worse than all those teams?

 

[mildone_rivals]

Fair enough, I usually don't either...except when it comes to basketball officiating which for whatever reason zaps the lifeblood right out of me.

I agree with you that, for whatever reason, basketball officiating does seem more inconsistent than some other sports. It can be frustrating.

And don't get me wrong, during the game, when PM caught an elbow in the face a second time and the refs called it on PM, I was up and screaming at my TV. It was a judgement call and I understand the rule and how the refs applied it. But knowing the rule and how it was applied doesn't make me any happier about it not being viewed differently by the refs.

I just maybe get over it more quickly than some.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Agree, that's why writing "we lost because of the refs" is as silly as saying "the refs didn't affect the outcome." Many factors, some of which I pointed contributed to the L.

(There was no abysmal FT shooting. We shot 4/6. Iowa went to the line 20 times.)

I'm surprised to hear we shot that well from the FT line. It felt a lot worse than that during the game.

 

[mildone_rivals]

i'm thinking Pike believes getting T'd up to prove a point is more harmful than helpful. He knows the team better than any of us and I wonder if he feels the distraction it causes isn't worth it.

Exactly. Look at Izzo for example. He's all over the refs all the time. How's that working out for him this season?

It can help, and with Pike it'd be so unusual that it might cause the refs to pay attention. But I don't think it's necessary to get a technical to get the refs to pay attention. Quietly stating the foul differential or that so-and-so is flopping can work its way into a refs head and cause him to look for that.