Well That Felt Like A Loss...

[Greene Rice FIG]

We played great for stretches and terrible for stretches. It’s up to you to decide the half glass of liquid.

 

[fluoxetine]

I believe at one point in the 2nd half we missed 7 of 8 foul shots.

Did you miss a two minute stretch in the second half where we missed (IIRC) the front end of five one-and-one opportunities.

I'd be pissed too if my made up free throw shooting was this bad.

 

[DirtyRU]

I'd be pissed too if my made up free throw shooting was this bad.

We missed 6 of 7, not 7 of 8. I was 1 off. Whoopty-do.

 

[willisneverrana43]

. . . coaching staff doesn't get Myles out after three fouls . . .

I’ve wondered for a while whether analytics will ultimately change the way that coaches treat players in foul trouble. Not that I think that Pike was doing it here, as he doesn’t strike me as a big analytics guy.

But here’s the question: does removing a player for an extended period of time because of foul trouble turn into a certainty the very thing that it seeks to avoid, which is losing that player for a significant stretch of the game?

Now, I know the arguments for doing it, from the notion that a player is less effective while trying to avoid fouling out, to the supposed greater importance of minutes late in the game compared to those in, say, the end of the first half or start of the second half. And others.

But there is also an argument that in the long run the best way to maximize the minutes of players in foul trouble is to play them. In the aggregate, if you do so, I’d bet you’d get more minutes out of them than if you just yanked them out of the game for 10 straight minutes or so.

Eh. Whatever.

 

[rubjk]

Back to missing a sh#t ton of free throws, RHJ still struggling (although he came up big in the end), ugly turnovers, resorting back to one on one ball, coaching staff doesn't get Myles out after three fouls, Geo disappearing act, Montez still making dumb dumb plays, etc etc. Glad it was Northwestern and glad they missed a ton of shots in the 2nd half. Any competent B1G team woulda stuck it to us.

Also STOP throwing lobs to Cliff. And Cliff is a disaster on D. Geez. He is lost.

The one adjustment I liked was putting JY on that #1 dude, who looked like Kobe Bryant in the first half. We also did a nice job on Buie. But man, this was not an enjoyable win.

That said, it's a B1G road win. Still a good thing, but man. OK I'll stop now, this is not my style, to complain after a win. It's douchy I know, but I needed to vent, ha.

We played damn good on defense. With that we can win even with some offensive issues.

 

[MadRU]

10-6 (6-6), Minnesota up next.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

I don't even know what "feels like a loss" even means.

 

[Local Shill]

RU played poorly but less than five years ago this program was in the midst of a 31-game conference losing streak. Winning a game was almost impossible. Winning 3 in a row was a complete fantasy. Enjoy the W!

 

[NY AGENTMAN]

Wow. A road win in the Big Ten is awesome, I don’t care who you are playing. Some of you fans act like Rutgers is Duke. Think back 3-4 years ago and how happy u would be for any win.

 

[mikeyoc]

Why was Booey riding the pine in the 2nd half? Isn’t he their best player?

Audige is their best player IMO

 

[bethlehemfan]

Audige is their best player IMO

He’s a tough kid.

 

[RAC’emUp]

I’ve wondered for a while whether analytics will ultimately change the way that coaches treat players in foul trouble. Not that I think that Pike was doing it here, as he doesn’t strike me as a big analytics guy.

But here’s the question: does removing a player for an extended period of time because of foul trouble turn into a certainty the very thing that it seeks to avoid, which is losing that player for a significant stretch of the game?

Now, I know the arguments for doing it, from the notion that a player is less effective while trying to avoid fouling out, to the supposed greater importance of minutes late in the game compared to those in, say, the end of the first half or start of the second half. And others.

But there is also an argument that in the long run the best way to maximize the minutes of players in foul trouble is to play them. In the aggregate, if you do so, I’d bet you’d get more minutes out of them than if you just yanked them out of the game for 10 straight minutes or so.

Eh. Whatever.

Well put. If you go back as far as I do you can remember when coaches let players play until the third foul in the first half.

 

[RUfanSinceAnderson]

Back to missing a sh#t ton of free throws, RHJ still struggling (although he came up big in the end), ugly turnovers, resorting back to one on one ball, coaching staff doesn't get Myles out after three fouls, Geo disappearing act, Montez still making dumb dumb plays, etc etc. Glad it was Northwestern and glad they missed a ton of shots in the 2nd half. Any competent B1G team woulda stuck it to us.

Also STOP throwing lobs to Cliff. And Cliff is a disaster on D. Geez. He is lost.

The one adjustment I liked was putting JY on that #1 dude, who looked like Kobe Bryant in the first half. We also did a nice job on Buie. But man, this was not an enjoyable win.

That said, it's a B1G road win. Still a good thing, but man. OK I'll stop now, this is not my style, to complain after a win. It's douchy I know, but I needed to vent, ha.

UM NO- a win is a WIN

 

[Yeah Baby]

A win never feels like a loss. I love to win and hate to lose. Individual players can be tough on themselves for 24 hours but no fans should be pouting after a win. Ever.

 

[zappaa]

All of us have to admit we’re maddening to watch.
My supply of pillows I throw at the my TV has to be refreshed multiple times during our standard win.
Hell we best MSU by 30 and still went through my pillow supply....lol

 

[ScarletKid2008]

Remember when these two things would’ve been season defining achievements:

winning 3 conference games in a row
Winning a road game

Pretty amazing to think back to that being only 2 seasons ago

 

[Dpgru]

Did you miss a two minute stretch in the second half where we missed (IIRC) the front end of five one-and-one opportunities. Potential 10 points where we got zero.

It might have been four front end misses in that stretch...potential for 8 points and got zero.
Kept them within reach.

We missed all three front ends of the one and ones in the second half. 0 out of a potential 6 points. There are only three 1&1 opportunities after you get in the bonus. Then the bonus is two shots. Our foul shooting will cost us as the season progresses and in the post season. No doubt about it.

 

[Yeah Baby]

We missed all three front ends of the one and ones in the second half. 0 out of a potential 6 points. There are only three 1&1 opportunities after you get in the bonus. Then the bonus is two shots. Our foul shooting will cost us as the season progresses and in the post season. No doubt about it.

A few guys struggle from the line right now. They were the guys who took those shots. They have to keep working on it. Run sprints and take foul shots. Repeat.

 

[zappaa]

Remember when these two things would’ve been season defining achievements:

winning 3 conference games in a row
Winning a road game

Pretty amazing to think back to that being only 2 seasons ago

I agree.
One thing I also remember.
With Eugene, Doorson and Carter, we didn’t win a whole lot, but we had respect.
Those three guys beat the **** out of you and whoever we played knew they were in a tough game.
Pike was changing the culture right there,