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Seems to be a lot of selling on Ron even though he hasn't been playing well. Halftime of the game last night big feature on Harper . Opened up ESPN this morning and the headline on College BB was a story on Harpers NBA stock. Go down and their is a video on Harper with his jam. Imagine if he was playing like he did lasty month.
 
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POOR effort....he wasn't playing D, he wasn't getting back on D. He was jogging back after a turnover, multiple times. Let his man just jog to the basket for an easy lapup. His body language was off all game. Until he made a play or two towards the end, then he had a great 6-8 minute stretch. Disappointed in his effort.
 

zappaa

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RHJ is one of our team leaders,along with Geo and Tez, by example they are supposed to teach the younger players we play stifling, physical tough Defense here at RU, that’s our identity no matter how good we’re playing offensively.
Both are failing at their jobs and responsibility. For All you Pike protectors out there, he’s done. horrid job of coaching... absolutely brutal
 

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RHJ is one of our team leaders,along with Geo and Tez, by example they are supposed to teach the younger players we play stifling, physical tough Defense here at RU, that’s our identity no matter how good we’re playing offensively.
Both are failing at their jobs and responsibility. For All you Pike protectors out there, he’s done. horrid job of coaching... absolutely brutal
Then why were mamadou and myles named team captain. Mamadou? Seriously?
 
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Hes gonna get a shot at the nba but probably after next season now. Hes in a slump. But again, NBA bloodlines and hes shown a high ceiling at times, thats enough to have teams throw in a flyer.
 

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RHJ is one of our team leaders,along with Geo and Tez, by example they are supposed to teach the younger players we play stifling, physical tough Defense here at RU, that’s our identity no matter how good we’re playing offensively.
Both are failing at their jobs and responsibility. For All you Pike protectors out there, he’s done. horrid job of coaching... absolutely brutal

Let's assume you are correct, which no one here is able to argue against that....

What do you have the coaching staff tell the player who is likely hurt or injured and is really your only or best option?? Tell the player what exactly when no one may know the extent of his health, other than the players and coaches themselves??

If the player is at 70 to 75% and possibly not able to give that 100% effort, we can sit the player down and wait until he's exactly 100% healthy again.....which may not be until after the season ends...and deal with the results and losses anyway with your backups OR have the player go out and try to play...??

The larger question isn't asking more of the starters or best players.....the larger question is whether the injuries to Mag, Cliff and lesser extent the little to no true impact of 2020s class is a larger discussion point.

There were actual games last year where RUs starters were sleepwalking through parts of the 1st half....but you had an energy boost of Mulcahy, Young, Shaq Carter and either McConnell, all coming off the bench to bring something to the table.

This year, you have no bench firepower....which to me means you have to ask some players who are starters to accept a role as a true leader of the team.

I would start this lineup for basketball reasons and balance of finding a better rhythm of offense, defense and rebounding.

Cliff
Harper
Caleb
Mathis
Baker

If you started this lineup for the 1st 4 minutes of each half, I know where the shots should go for each of these 4 minute stretches. Geo, Ron, Mathis are your primary looks, Caleb and Cliff become the players who can score when you move the ball or attack the basket

Bench-Energy players.

Jacob Young
Mulcahy
Myles Johnson
Jaden Jones/Mag/Palmquist

If you have this lineup off your bench, Young becomes a defense/energy/scoring guy, Paul moves the ball and takes advantage of his opportunities and you must find a role for a shooting threat with your 2nd unit....whether it's Caleb and Jones or Palmquist....(if you want to start Mulcahy vs Caleb, I can't argue against that, I would start Caleb to have better scoring options from the wing)..

I also like Myles off the bench to reduce his minutes by 3 to 4 a game and to accelerate Cliff knowing exactly what to expect, each and every game. You are there to clean the glass, hustle and not become the primary scoring option with the starters.

If you asked Myles to be your go to post offense off the bench, Caleb to be your baseline or corner 3 shooter and Mulcahy to be tough and drive and distribute, you now need one more scoring threat off the bounce or as a shooter.

If you can find a role for Palmquist or Jones and make teams guard him from the perimeter, Myles would have more opportunities in the post. Myles is probably your best passer and with Mulcahy, you can find space for others to score......When RU was playing well early in the season, Cliff was in the starting lineup and the spacing was better for RHJ and others.

With Young and Myles on the court together with Baker, Mathis and RHJ, you have too many scorers on the court and there's no designation on defense and rebounding. And you are reducing the shot attempts of Baker and Mathis, by playing Young and Myles with them in the starting lineup.

What you ultimately want is something as close to what you had last year, with Caleb in the Yeboah role as your 3 and D guy ...Pike and the staff can easily justify making this lineup change....
 

zappaa

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Let's assume you are correct, which no one here is able to argue against that....

What do you have the coaching staff tell the player who is likely hurt or injured and is really your only or best option?? Tell the player what exactly when no one may know the extent of his health, other than the players and coaches themselves??

If the player is at 70 to 75% and possibly not able to give that 100% effort, we can sit the player down and wait until he's exactly 100% healthy again.....which may not be until after the season ends...and deal with the results and losses anyway with your backups OR have the player go out and try to play...??

The larger question isn't asking more of the starters or best players.....the larger question is whether the injuries to Mag, Cliff and lesser extent the little to no true impact of 2020s class is a larger discussion point.

There were actual games last year where RUs starters were sleepwalking through parts of the 1st half....but you had an energy boost of Mulcahy, Young, Shaq Carter and either McConnell, all coming off the bench to bring something to the table.

This year, you have no bench firepower....which to me means you have to ask some players who are starters to accept a role as a true leader of the team.

I would start this lineup for basketball reasons and balance of finding a better rhythm of offense, defense and rebounding.

Cliff
Harper
Caleb
Mathis
Baker

If you started this lineup for the 1st 4 minutes of each half, I know where the shots should go for each of these 4 minute stretches. Geo, Ron, Mathis are your primary looks, Caleb and Cliff become the players who can score when you move the ball or attack the basket

Bench-Energy players.

Jacob Young
Mulcahy
Myles Johnson
Jaden Jones/Mag/Palmquist

If you have this lineup off your bench, Young becomes a defense/energy/scoring guy, Paul moves the ball and takes advantage of his opportunities and you must find a role for a shooting threat with your 2nd unit....whether it's Caleb and Jones or Palmquist....(if you want to start Mulcahy vs Caleb, I can't argue against that, I would start Caleb to have better scoring options from the wing)..

I also like Myles off the bench to reduce his minutes by 3 to 4 a game and to accelerate Cliff knowing exactly what to expect, each and every game. You are there to clean the glass, hustle and not become the primary scoring option with the starters.

If you asked Myles to be your go to post offense off the bench, Caleb to be your baseline or corner 3 shooter and Mulcahy to be tough and drive and distribute, you now need one more scoring threat off the bounce or as a shooter.

If you can find a role for Palmquist or Jones and make teams guard him from the perimeter, Myles would have more opportunities in the post. Myles is probably your best passer and with Mulcahy, you can find space for others to score......When RU was playing well early in the season, Cliff was in the starting lineup and the spacing was better for RHJ and others.

With Young and Myles on the court together with Baker, Mathis and RHJ, you have too many scorers on the court and there's no designation on defense and rebounding. And you are reducing the shot attempts of Baker and Mathis, by playing Young and Myles with them in the starting lineup.

What you ultimately want is something as close to what you had last year, with Caleb in the Yeboah role as your 3 and D guy ...Pike and the staff can easily justify making this lineup change....
Sounds like all coaching to me Hawk?
What the hell is Pike doing.
Injuries are part of the game, this D was poor from day one this year.
 

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I like Paul coming off the bench as well, but I think for at least one game you need to reward effort. Start him, and send a message that the guys who want it the most will play the most.
 

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Lots of good things here...
1. Zap don't be so hard on Pike. A coaching staff has limits on what they can do and how much they can affect results.
2. Lineup changes....I think there will be. In theory I like what NJH says. I also agree what BAC says......how can McConnell start over Mulcahy.

Low lying fruit is putting Cliff back for Myles in the starting lineup. I like the idea of Jacob coming off the bench, but there is a part of me that says why shouldn't Baker and/or Harper be the ones coming off the bench. It is obvious that Ron and Geo are not defending up to standard. In addition, Ron is not helping out on the boards.
 
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Caleb has shown nothing to earn a start over Mulcahy

This isn't about earning anything....Caleb or Mulcahy haven't done anything to earn a right to start over Young, if you're only definition is scoring.

This is about roles and setting up the roster to get the most production out of the entire roster. It is also about giving defined roles and what worked last year. What worked last year was RUs bench being as good as anyone else's in the B1G.

I can argue that you will get double figure scoring from Young either as starter or off the bench. You have to find shot attempts for others to expand the scoring on the roster. If you bring Mulcahy off the bench with Myles, I have two good passers who can score if they are able to make a couple of plays with Young as your most aggressive scorer.
 

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I shut the game off early in the second half but watched the rest this morning. What I saw in the last 10+ minutes was energy that has been missing early in our games. We need to start games better. In order to bring that energy early I would start Paul, probably over Mathis or Geo. I would also continue to start Myles. We need his rebounding. Cliff doesn’t box out consistently.
 

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Hes gonna get a shot at the nba but probably after next season now. Hes in a slump. But again, NBA bloodlines and hes shown a high ceiling at times, thats enough to have teams throw in a flyer.
He’s not going to the NBA. That’s a pipe dream at this point.
 
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Seems to be a lot of selling on Ron even though he hasn't been playing well. Halftime of the game last night big feature on Harper . Opened up ESPN this morning and the headline on College BB was a story on Harpers NBA stock. Go down and their is a video on Harper with his jam. Imagine if he was playing like he did lasty month.

What does the article say?
It's behind the ESPN+ paywall.
Seems to be connecting him with Pippen Jr since they both have famous fathers.

Also - ESPN/media coverage has little to do with NBA potential. Luka Garza is #1 on the ESPN Top 25 college players list. We don't need to go over his NBA draft stock again.
 

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Lots of good things here...
1. Zap don't be so hard on Pike. A coaching staff has limits on what they can do and how much they can affect results.
2. Lineup changes....I think there will be. In theory I like what NJH says. I also agree what BAC says......how can McConnell start over Mulcahy.

Low lying fruit is putting Cliff back for Myles in the starting lineup. I like the idea of Jacob coming off the bench, but there is a part of me that says why shouldn't Baker and/or Harper be the ones coming off the bench. It is obvious that Ron and Geo are not defending up to standard. In addition, Ron is not helping out on the boards.
This. Injuries or not, if neither RHJ nor Geo are yielding substantive returns on defense or offense, why are they owed minutes to break out of their collective slump to round into game shape? Leaders lead, and after a month of their collectively poor play and low energy, its time to move on with Plan B and let these two earn it back from the bench.
 
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This. Injuries or not, if neither RHJ nor Geo are yielding substantive returns on defense or offense, why are they owed minutes to break out of their collective slump to round into game shape? Leaders lead, and after a month of their collectively poor play and low energy, its time to move on with Plan B and let these two earn it back from the bench.
Shooting slumps are fine......they both have earned the right to play through it.

harpers intensity on defense during a number of possessions disgusted me.
 

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What does the article say?
It's behind the ESPN+ paywall.
Seems to be connecting him with Pippen Jr since they both have famous fathers.

Also - ESPN/media coverage has little to do with NBA potential. Luka Garza is #1 on the ESPN Top 25 college players list. We don't need to go over his NBA draft stock again.
There are so many good basketball players. Not sure what makes Harper more of a NBA player than 100+ people that could do everything Harper can do and more.

his NBA path is solely based on being an elite shooter. We have a large sample size saying he isn’t. There was a small sample size early in the year that gave some people hope.

if you can’t guard an unathltic 4 from Penn State how are you going to guard Ben Simmons or LeBron James
 
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harpers intensity on defense during a number of possessions disgusted me.
100% agreed, particularly when he jogged back after getting his pocket picked at midcourt, resulting in an uncontested bucket for PSU.

The overall team's lack of effort is obvious in the rebounding totals and in the number of easy looks we are giving up. Our guys should take it personally that they are being WHIPPED on the boards too often lately. Yahoo box score stats for rebounds:

PSU 40, RU 27
Wisconsin 35, RU 50 (great job this time)
Ohio State 43, RU 29
Michigan State 45, RU 25

I still think we can be a very very good team but they need to get their act together or we are finishing 12th this year.
 
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You cannot shorten the bench when your starters are not playing defense or rebounding like they have previously shown. So no it is not end of story.

The defense was fine early. Oscar Geo and Paul were our worst defenders in that order (dRTG) though the defense wasn’t that bad until the last 8 minutes or so.
 

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There are so many good basketball players. Not sure what makes Harper more of a NBA player than 100+ people that could do everything Harper can do and more.

his NBA path is solely based on being an elite shooter. We have a large sample size saying he isn’t. There was a small sample size early in the year that gave some people hope.

if you can’t guard an unathltic 4 from Penn State how are you going to guard Ben Simmons or LeBron James

The problem is not that Ron cannot guard an unathletic 4, it is that he is not trying to play the type of defense he played last year or the rebounding he did last year , or the amount of lazy standing on the perimeter that he did not do last year. Ron was an elite defender, shot blocker without fouling guy and more than adequate rebounder. Those 3 things have vanished this year
 

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We haven’t played strong D all year imo Soho

The defense has regressed from last year but it’s not what killing us. And a handful of our guys are pretty consistent. What’s wild to me is the guys Pike has given the longest leashes have been our worst defenders - for a defensive coach that seems crazy
 

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The defense was fine early. Oscar Geo and Paul were our worst defenders in that order (dRTG) though the defense wasn’t that bad until the last 8 minutes or so.

What game did you watch. The entire first half and first 5 minutes of the second half was the worse defense we have played in the Pike era and it is not even close. Penn State got layup after layup or wide open 10-15 foot shots. Take off your blinders.
 
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The defense has regressed from last year but it’s not what killing us. And a handful of our guys are pretty consistent. What’s wild to me is the guys Pike has given the longest leashes have been our worst defenders - for a defensive coach that seems crazy
1. That isn't completely true...Harper and Baker have sat for extended period
2. When he has tried other people they havent defended either. we had to go zone when he subbed all 5 out. Oskar and Dean haven't shown they can defend. Caleb has been up and down defensively...he was pretty bad last night being very slow getting out on shooters.

Coach Pikiell has used up his eligibility, he can't play. He has benched people. He doesn't have players sitting on the bench that can be even average defenders (not sure on Mag). He has switched defenses. He has gone to full court press.

He can't go to a GM and ask for trades. For better or worse this is the roster he has. Should he have picked different captains? Should he give up on Baker? Should he mess up chemistry and play Paul 30+ minutes? Should he change his own identity because a bad stretch in the middle of a great career at RU by being who he isn't and yell at people? NOOOO
 
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The overall team's lack of effort is obvious in the rebounding totals and in the number of easy looks we are giving up. Our guys should take it personally that they are being WHIPPED on the boards too often lately. Yahoo box score stats for rebounds:

This is the story line of the Indiana game.

If healthy we know this team has it in them. We have plenty of sample size .

If Baker and Harper are hurt.....we have another story.
 

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Let me put to rest we only play good D at home stuff....RAW numbers last year on road (points per possession)

1.038 PITT
1.049 MSU
.949 NEB
.845 ILL (and we lost)
1.19 Iowa (bad)
1.002 Mich
.836 MD (and we lost)
1.129 OSU (bad)
1.1161 WIS (bad)
.924 PSU
.928 PUR
 

RUsojo

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What game did you watch. The entire first half and first 5 minutes of the second half was the worse defense we have played in the Pike era and it is not even close. Penn State got layup after layup or wide open 10-15 foot shots. Take off your blinders.

not the entire half
 

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Start Paul for a reward/message to the rest of the team that effort and energy is what this team needs. Next time anyone looks disinterested and isn't showing intensity yank them immediately and get in their face about it. It's unacceptable
 

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1. That isn't completely true...Harper and Baker have sat for extended period
2. When he has tried other people they havent defended either. we had to go zone when he subbed all 5 out. Oskar and Dean haven't shown they can defend. Caleb has been up and down defensively...he was pretty bad last night being very slow getting out on shooters.

Coach Pikiell has used up his eligibility, he can't play. He has benched people. He doesn't have players sitting on the bench that can be even average defenders (not sure on Mag). He has switched defenses. He has gone to full court press.

He can't go to a GM and ask for trades. For better or worse this is the roster he has. Should he have picked different captains? Should he give up on Baker? Should he mess up chemistry and play Paul 30+ minutes? Should he change his own identity because a bad stretch in the middle of a great career at RU by being who he isn't and yell at people? NOOOO

1. LOL Harpers D is miles better than Geo. Don’t belong in the same sentence regarding D. And Geo plays a close 3rd most minutes on the team.
 

RUsojo

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Start Paul for a reward/message to the rest of the team that effort and energy is what this team needs. Next time anyone looks disinterested and isn't showing intensity yank them immediately and get in their face about it. It's unacceptable

Paul had a great 2:30 stretch but Paul didnt play that well. Not that anybody did.
 

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1. LOL Harpers D is miles better than Geo. Don’t belong in the same sentence regarding D. And Geo plays a close 3rd most minutes on the team.
They are both on my S list. Harper last night had possessions that made me very mad. Baker has been dreadful defensively all season. Tough not to give him the benefit of doubt of injury, but I am not sure how much is really a factor.
 
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Start Paul for a reward/message to the rest of the team that effort and energy is what this team needs. Next time anyone looks disinterested and isn't showing intensity yank them immediately and get in their face about it. It's unacceptable
There is appearing to play with intensity and there is getting results. Paul looks like he is more interested than others. Is he getting stops? Is he getting steals and converting them for layups on the other end?

You could risk big time chemistry issues here with that....maybe it is needed? I know he is a sophmoroe now and not a freshman, but there were ton of eyerolls on the bench last year when Paul was in during crunch time and guys like Caleb or Montez was on the bench. I haven't seen that this year, but I am also not watching every home game directly across the RU bench.
 

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There is appearing to play with intensity and there is getting results. Paul looks like he is more interested than others. Is he getting stops? Is he getting steals and converting them for layups on the other end?

You could risk big time chemistry issues here with that....maybe it is needed? I know he is a sophmoroe now and not a freshman, but there were ton of eyerolls on the bench last year when Paul was in during crunch time and guys like Caleb or Montez was on the bench. I haven't seen that this year, but I am also not watching every home game directly across the RU bench.
If Harper Geo Myles etc were appearing to play with intensity the results would follow. Harper showed some signs of life during the run but intensity level on D has not been there and he's not the only one. If people look disinterested again and we are down yank them all and put in people like Mag and get in their faces. They need a wake up call. PSU was supposed to be the win that got us back on track.
 
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Gotta admit, before going to bed last night, I was shocked when I saw Harper's dunk vs. PSU was the No. 1 Play of the Day on SportsCenter.
 

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The problem is not that Ron cannot guard an unathletic 4, it is that he is not trying to play the type of defense he played last year or the rebounding he did last year , or the amount of lazy standing on the perimeter that he did not do last year. Ron was an elite defender, shot blocker without fouling guy and more than adequate rebounder. Those 3 things have vanished this year
RHJ has taken on a mentality of a being a scorer only. Granted the guy had an injury but as others have said he has ditched his overall game and intensity since coming back. Question has there been any life changing issue which in 2021 is more than possible. He either still hurt or his mind is not on the game .
 
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