Still comes down to free throws
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4-12 is awful
Ron’s last foul was awful
Ron’s last foul was awful
Geo fouled on the last possession was ******** the first half was atrocious on foul calls we got hammered at least 4-5 times with no calls
Third game in a row where the other team is in the bonus with 12 minutes to go in the second half. Twice at the RAC. When will it end
Yeah we gotta shoot better FTs but the officiating has to get better too. Can't constantly have to overcome erratic and one-sided officiating/fouls and FT shooting. The ghost phantom swat fouls were a joke on several plays, and no calls when we're hacked. B1G officials are a joke.
We absolutely lost this game because of our poor foul shooting. I don’t care how uneven the fouls were called, but when you shoot 4-12 from the line and lose by 2 points, it’s on you.
We knew there'd be a game or two that cost us due to poor FTs. This is one.
4-12 at this level is inexcusable. But the game was called completely different in the 2nd half
Disagree. We are bad free throw shooting team. It is what it is. We will be a bad free throw shooting team all year. We have other things that we do really well. Every team team has weaknesses.
If you’d like to see the horrible no call it’s on the front page of ESPN men’s basketball right now
How can you say you don't care how uneven the fouls were called? It's clearly a huge factor. Sure, we need to hit FTs but if we got more attempts and they got fewer, then we're up a few points. Silly. It all matters.
I don’t understand this. You’re agreeing we’re bad on FTs, and we went 4-12, so how can you disagree that we lost this game at the line?
We quite literally lost this game at the line. Go even 7-12 and we win.
Well of course the whistle is unfair. But if we just hit a few more of the FTs we were given, we win. Simple as that. Can’t keep blaming the officials. At some point you have to adapt and overcome.
Agree with all that is said, but we still have to fight through bad ref's and make our FT's. Also, would have liked to see Harper take is tougher to the hole in the 2nd half. He was cold as ice the whole half.
The silver lining though is that we got McConnell back and Reiber played a lot. Will help us as the season goes along.
The silver lining though is that we got McConnell back and Reiber played a lot. Will help us as the season goes along.
Harper's a career 69% FT shooter, and shot 0-3.... he shoots his average and it's a different game.
Yeah we were horrible but the disparity in number of fouls and absolute horrible calls cost us this game
Iowa largely stays in a zone, and overall their style of defense doesn't lend itself to as many fouls as our switching-man defense does. There were a ton of fouls that were "let go" by the refs on both sides, some very blatant - but that's the style of officiating we want, because it keeps Johnson on the floor.
End of day, we lost this game at the FT line. Shoot 66% from the line, and we aren't scrambling on a final possession. Blew more than a couple layups, too. Need to convert freebies - whether they're at the line or at the rim.
Isn't there a Dr Fauci of free throws who can come in and tell these guys exactly what to do.? They NEED more SCIENCE!.
Simplicistically yes if we convert at the line we have a bigger lead and win. But it is not the first game we have shot poorly and in 2 games we shot real well to win. However, the numerous missed open shots , layups, mid range and wide open threes which we have been making this year was off yesterday. We really should have been up 10 or more . We took a 7 point lead at 54-47 and could have stretched it to 10-13 but Ron missed a couple of open threes from nice dishes from TeZ. The next thing Iowa goes on a8-0 run and we are down 55-54 and then it is tight the rest of the way. Also , in the first half we could have extended our lead and missed some easy shots. Ron looked just off yesterday and the way everybody else in the starting lineup was contributing , I think we deferred to him when Geo orJacob or Tex could have gone off.
I think they were trying to get Harper going, and get him unstuck. He's had games in the past where a quiet first half turned into an explosive second half. Don't know if he still wasn't 100%, or if something else was going on - but his touch was off, especially at the FT line.
They were also trying to get McConnell back into the offensive flow, but he was very rusty with his shot.
The offensive plan was sound, as it got us the shots we needed to win - we just didn't get enough of those to go through the hoop. A handful of open layups, and enough trips to the line... but couldn't convert them into points. Defensive plan was also sound, and executed well overall.
Get another crack at them on 2/10
The free throw shooting has been brutally bad every year of Pikiell's tenor, enough so that there is probably a good enough sample size to conclude that he is responsible for it (whether this is because of the coaching or the recruiting is unknown).
That being said, you can question how much time should actually be spend trying to improve this.. over Pikiell's tenure we have shot 1580/2478 (63.76%) over 138 games. This is terrible to be sure.
However, the D1 avg FT shooting is slightly over 71%.. we'll round up to 72% just because. If we shot 72% we would have made 1784 FTs. This is 1.48 points per game. Again, this is not at all insignificant but it's also not a super high leverage area for improvment.
Note I've just thought of one thing which is that in college better FT shooting actually leads to more attempts (because of 1/1s) but that effect is not going to be huge. Still the impact might be more like 1.5-1.6 ppg.
That being said, you can question how much time should actually be spend trying to improve this.. over Pikiell's tenure we have shot 1580/2478 (63.76%) over 138 games. This is terrible to be sure.
However, the D1 avg FT shooting is slightly over 71%.. we'll round up to 72% just because. If we shot 72% we would have made 1784 FTs. This is 1.48 points per game. Again, this is not at all insignificant but it's also not a super high leverage area for improvment.
Note I've just thought of one thing which is that in college better FT shooting actually leads to more attempts (because of 1/1s) but that effect is not going to be huge. Still the impact might be more like 1.5-1.6 ppg.
We did go 6-6 down the stretch against Purdue to close it out. Also nailed them against Illinois. I HIGHLY doubt any coach would look at any of players and say “meh, he’s not good at free throws. I don’t want him.” Imagine not recruiting Ron Harper because he’s an average free throw shooter
(a) Because they're good at other things.
(b) The difference between shooting 64% and 72% at the line is not so stark that there is some automatic endgame strategy to beat us.
Make one more chippy layup, and two free throws, and it's Iowa scrambling for the last second shot. Can't win them all.