GAME 5 MARYLAND: Gratifying

bac2therac

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Steve Pikiell, the pleasure is all ours. This is becoming fun. I would go as far to say this is rare air for me as a fan. When I was in school I was able to experience the 89 incredible turnaround and the 91 turnaround that led to dominating the A10 but neither of those teams were ranked and neither of those teams had expectations of beating top programs. This program has jumped another several levels when Pikiell arrived where RU was obnoxious kid brother that nipped at everyone's heels, Two years later we became that awkward teenager trying to crash the party. Last year, RU was attractive enough to be invited to the party. This year Rutgers is the party. Rutgers is now the program so attractive that people expect them to win and thus far they have delivered. Rutgers has calmly answered any questions about its legitimacy as a top 25 school. Unequivocally, Rutgers is a very very good basketball team. Instead of teeth gnashing and handwringing, we as a fanbase can be confident and dare I say boast with a little swagger.

Tonight's win was the fruition of all the little things that RU did both good and bad in its previous 3 games. Rutgers is better than Maryland. I have no doubt about that now. Maryland was better as a program last year when RU dominated them at the RAC. Sometimes better teams get beat. It could have gone that way in this game. RU looked good early then got into some really bad foul trouble but still persevered and went up 10. Yet things went south toward halftime and after a Maryland 3 to open the half all of a sudden RU was outscored 18-4 and seemingly not in sync at all. Offense really had no flow in that first half and while the defense generally played well, you could tell that the foul trouble was hampering Rutgers into play their game. It was evident about 5 minutes into the 2nd half that RU was going to strut its stuff, whether it was Myles just a monster on defense shutting the Terps offense down and grabbing board after board or Ron Harper just smoothly draining 3s and of course the forgotten one.....Geo Baker. Geo Baker IS the soul of the Rutgers basketball resurgence. Rutgers can win without him, they finished off Syracuse in impressive fashion but Geo's presence tonight was so important to cementing the win tonight. Obviously still gimpy a bit without the same lift or speed to defend, Geo put in a gritty performance tonight in a stunning 28 minutes, going for 15 points and nailing 3 treys and his shots almost all came in huge spots. Fittingly his last one, a 2 pointer. was the game winning dagger after Maryland cut it to 7, RU ran clock and put it in Geo's hands with the shot clock running down and there was no doubt that the shot was going to go in just like has done a dozen or more times from Geo, his patented step back jumper swished and the fat lady was singing. Geo came in early in the first half and immediately pay dividends. His first 3 came when RU was in the midst of a 4 minute scoring drought, His 2nd 3 sparked a RU lead into the opening minutes of the 2nd half, his last 3 answered a MD 3 that kept RU lead at 10. But Geo being out there makes RU so much harder to defend. It allows Ron to get enough spacing to just go off...and off he did. We are witnessing the making of a star. A legit contender for All Big 10 first team if not a longshot candidate for player of the year. Whenever our offense tended to stall, I saw Ron step up and make some great shots. Swishes for 3. The biggest of all was after a 3 minute RU scoring drought stuck at 60 with about 5:30 left. Pike called timeout to settle. I noted in the game thread, got to get Harper involved we got away from that with too much JY/Tez and what did Pike serve up.....Harper for 3....RU extended the lead to 12. A sick stat line but its becoming common....10-17 shooting, 27 points, 5-8 from 3, 5 boards, 2 blocks and just one turnover. Geo may be the soul but Harper is the dynamite that makes this program pop. While Harper is the dynamite, the spark may be what Myles Johnson brings on the defensive end. His incredible presence in the paint, along with Cliff in the first half as part as the twin towers and later just dominating in the 2nd half is what I really think generates the RU transition offense where they can run and keep their opponents on their heels and chasing them and the ball. When Myles is locked in on defense like he was tonight, Rutgers can possibly beat anyone in the country. Just a herculean rebounding haul tonight, 16 boards and 2 blocks, Myles was very efficient on the offensive end, 4-4 fg, hit BOTH his free throws and finished with 10 points. I am often hard on Myles because I feel sometimes he gets frustrated or is a little reserved when he easily has the ability to dominate. Tonight was truly one of his best performances as a Knight and is going to be such a confidence builder going into some matchup with guys like Cockburn and Garza. Jacob Young a whopping 35 minutes, had some moments where he was flustered but really shook that off as the game wore on and just brought it defensively and distributing the ball. Again an in control Jacob is one of the toughest guys to contain in the entire conference.

What is impressing me the most about this game and the previous 2 is that RU responses are so impressive. RU struggled somewhat to put away Hofstra but kept plugging along until they broke it open. Against Syracuse, RU found themselves in an ugly funk but once again just stuck to their business and all of a sudden the lead was double digits. Same thing again tonight except in each game that level of opponent got better and better. Everytime RU would get up 10-12, Maryland would hit a shot but there was panic in this game. RU calmly answered them every time. RU won exactly like a top 20 schools should win. Outplay your opponent and kill their spirit leading to a slow death. What a joy to see RU dunking back to back to finish a game. How many times have we seen a game on tv where our opponents were yucking it up jamming it in at the end. Mark Turgeon just said in the post game that Rutgers is having fun out there and no truer statement can be said. So much gratitude to Coach Pikiell and a bunch of under recruited players who took a chance to come to a moribund program. Was Geo Baker rated 414? There are right and wrong ways to build a program. Make no mistake Pikiell has done all the right things. Its not always been pretty and its been a long slog from Rutgers' salad days to RU now being the belle of the ball. The confidence, the moxie, the pluck, the swagger, there is so much to be proud about who Rutgers is and where we are headed.
 

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I mentioned it at the end of the game thread because I was busy and couldn’t post until end of game but I think people underestimate how much the foul trouble effected us first half.

Pikiell new we were the better team and I think wanted to be able to release the horses at full speed 2nd half. That meant asking them to play much less aggressive after those fast 8 fouls. It might not seem like it should effect some of the things it did but I think it was in our players heads down the stretch of the first half

He wouldn’t say but I bet Pikiell wasn’t all that upset being down one at HF with where we were with fouls only 7 or so minutes in
 

Shell21

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Great summary Bac. Too add to that . I know people get frustrated with Pikes offensive sets and how we run offense sometimes. However he is definitely underrated ATO or ATH. He called that timeout up 9 late in the game ; put the ball in Geo’s hand and had Ron set a ghost screen ; popping out for 3 and drilling it. Very nice set to extend the lead and get us a much needed basket
 

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Sport....good point


learning to adapt to how the refs are calling he game is important, yes there were some bad calls and it was lopsided the first 15 minutes but no one cares about the fans tears. Team has to go out and keep their cool. I think there was a few moments they got frustrated but Pike seemed to nip that in the bud. Obviously he was forced to put Ron back and he responded by elevating his game as well as not even picking up another foul the rest of the way

Sometimes you have to overcome an obstacle to get to the prize. Previous RU teams would get caught up with the nonsense. This team is different
 
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Surviving an 18-4 run falling behind by 1 at the half. Half time adjustments by team and Pike and we dominate. Wonderful use of Geo.

We gotta hit foul shots. Kept Maryland in game in the first half. We hit them and maybe a 20+ win.
Definitely a 20 pt win with a decent-but-not great 70% from the line and refs not blowing Cliff's clean alley-oop dunk to start 2nd half.
 
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Great summary Bac. Too add to that . I know people get frustrated with Pikes offensive sets and how we run offense sometimes. However he is definitely underrated ATO or ATH. He called that timeout up 9 late in the game ; put the ball in Geo’s hand and had Ron set a ghost screen ; popping out for 3 and drilling it. Very nice set to extend the lead and get us a much needed basket


Pike has some great set calls usually at the end start of games or halves. I knew he would have won at the start of the 2nd and it basically worked, bad luck for Cliff. That timeout there was worked to perfection at 60-51. I just knew he would get Harper involved again
 
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Sport....good point


learning to adapt to how the refs are calling he game is important, yes there were some bad calls and it was lopsided the first 15 minutes but no one cares about the fans tears. Team has to go out and keep their cool. I think there was a few moments they got frustrated but Pike seemed to nip that in the bud. Obviously he was forced to put Ron back and he responded by elevating his game as well as not even picking up another foul the rest of the way

Sometimes you have to overcome an obstacle to get to the prize. Previous RU teams would get caught up with the nonsense. This team is different
BAC, one of your best recaps to summarize how this team is different and where we are heading. We will be right there on the last weekend fighting for a Big 10 championship. I have saying in some earlier threads that Harper will give Garza and Ayo a run for the money for Big 10 player of the year. He can dribble - Drive , post , hit the three , pass, rebound , and plays tremendous defense . His confidence in his shot is tremendous. When it doesn’t go in he and I think everyone is surprised. He will be one of the best before he leaves the Banks.
A couple of additional points. The way this team responds when challenged and every time the other team makes a big shot , we come back and hit a bigger one. Folks , that was the way the Final Four team was . The confidence and swagger this team is playing with , if they can carry it , will bring us to the top. The ******** narrative posted by others about maybe we are a bubble team can know be dispelled after 5 games. When you start the year 5-0 with 5 double digit wins for the first time since 1934-35 , you know we have something special.
Finally , to win as easily as we did on the road, whatout much from Jacob and Montes is a testament, to how far we have come. But we fall back on Ron, or Geo or Myles , guys that have grown up taking their lumps in this rugged Big 10., and now that becomes a huge problem for our opponents. They cannot take away all our options . Hummel and Pizzo made a good point on the postgame , We do not have to play ugly but now we can go up and down and we can carve you up as well. We are championship material if we keep our defense up.
 
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This is the perfect post regarding officials. and i ***** about them a lot
Sport....good point


learning to adapt to how the refs are calling he game is important, yes there were some bad calls and it was lopsided the first 15 minutes but no one cares about the fans tears. Team has to go out and keep their cool. I think there was a few moments they got frustrated but Pike seemed to nip that in the bud. Obviously he was forced to put Ron back and he responded by elevating his game as well as not even picking up another foul the rest of the way

Sometimes you have to overcome an obstacle to get to the prize. Previous RU teams would get caught up with the nonsense. This team is different
 

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Another great recap Bac. We are a real good team that will keep getting better, even with our extremely tough schedule.

Best of Luck,
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@bac2therac what I found super interesting was we really only played 7 guys tonight. Duke was the 8th and he just came in for a 2 minute spell. Thats the way we should roll imo. Pretty much play our top 7 and spell for 2-3 minutes with the others only on an as need basis
 
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Shell21

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@bac2therac what I found super interesting was we really only played 7 guys tonight. Duke was the 8th and he just came in for a 2 minute spell. Thats the way we should roll imo. Pretty much play our top 7 and spell for 2-3 minutes with the others only on an as need basis
We can definitely do that in this early season with a week inbetween games. May need Mag for a few minutes here and the there once we have more games in less days ; but that’s honestly it right now .
 
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It wasn't too long ago that we were 1-17 in Big Ten games and so many people and teams were laughing at us and saying we would never be able to compete in the Big 10. Several SHU fans were saying we didn't belong in the BIG that we should go back to the A-10 or the AAC. I think we are proving those people wrong. I have raved about Steve Pikiell ever since he was hired yet many still doubted him. I think he is proving that his way of building up the team in his way was correct. This is a fun ride now and one I didn't know if I would ever see again during my lifetime. I sure hope that things can return to normal next season so I can again enjoy attending the games and hearing the RAC rocking again. I hope that Geo, Jacob will both return and we can really move up in the national rankings. They can enjoy that experience forever and can finally hear the crowd cheer for them at every game and on SENIOR NIGHT.
 

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@bac2therac what I found super interesting was we really only played 7 guys tonight. Duke was the 8th and he just came in for a 2 minute spell. Thats the way we should roll imo. Pretty much play our top 7 and spell for 2-3 minutes with the others only on an as need basis
I get what you're saying and our studs need to play major minutes but with the long B1G season guys may get worn down / banged up / injured. We likely need an 8th guy to step up and play some quality minutes. Playing some Myles Cliff lineups together is a way to get some extra minutes to the bigs without needing Doucoure/Reiber or even Mag/Palm
 
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A 7 man rotation is NOT ideal. We need another trustworthy guy to plug in. This is where we really miss Caleb. I'm not yet convinced we have that trustworthy guy yet.
8 man would definitely be preferred and yes to your point this is where we miss caleb
 
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What remains unreal is how much we look better when we try to play fast

Our shooting percentage for the first five games is real ...it’s because we move the ball and get really really good looks. Scary part is the percentage could be higher if we made our “very makable “ shots at a higher percentage that I think we can. We left 6-10 points on the floor tonight and against Syracuse
 

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bac - one of your best hoops posts ever on the game, the team and the program - agree with every word. My only concern right now is a 7-man rotation - if we had Caleb for an 8-man rotation, I'd say we'd be a legitimate Sweet 16 and possibly beyond team. Not saying we can't get there with 7, but it's harder, plus he's a very good FT shooter and there will be games we'll need that and more depth. The one good thing is several guys can play different positions, so it's not like having any one guy go out with foul trouble will kill us.
 

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There's going to be more of a bench rotation to get to 8 and 9 players, I would not worry there.

The question is which player is going to come into the game, when you really have 4 to 5 guards or players with guard skills??

Harper has guard skills.

Mulcahy obviously has guard skills at 6'7"

Mathis is a dominant defensive player (when we switched and Myles was isolated on the perimeter, Mathis held his own on the low post.

Baker is 6'4" with long arms and obviously can handle the ball.

Jacob Young is a blur and pesky defensively and can handle the ball and get his own offense.

With 5 different people who can handle the ball, you have 40 minutes at the 5.

I think Mag will spell Mathis at times.....and Mulcahy can spell Baker in spots. Yeboah had 21-24 minutes a night last year and now Harper is absorbing most of that and there are minutes where you experiment with Myles and Cliff together because it keeps the glass clean and Myles has good passing skills, without taking shot attempts away from the 3 players spotting up from 3 or driving to the basket..

It comes down to Palmquist spelling Harper and knowing you have 2 other scorers on the court.

I think you can find minutes for Mag or Palmquist, once Baker settles in and can get more scoring and can mix some minutes in.

Most good teams play 8 guys, RU is right where they should be....the question is can you get a game or two where everyone is clicking on both ends with the 8 players you are playing....as Shack mentioned, without the silly turnovers vs Cuse and a couple of missed Young layups, this looks much more convincing....hard to say when you win by 14 on the road.
 
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I have been following RU basketball since 1976, I am so impressed with Coach and the players. Across the board each player works extremely hard at being better. It shows in the product.
 

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I wonder if Duke got a couple of minutes ahead of the other Frosh because Pike knows he will need him to bang against Kofi Cockburn for a few minutes on Sunday. I don't think Cliff is ready for too many man to man minutes against Kofi. There are not many who are. It will be important for Myles to stay out of foul trouble. When MJ is not on the floor I would try to get Cliff into a transition game because can beat Kofi down the court.
 
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JonathanAlan

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BAC--let me join others in praising your game summaries. After each Rutgers game I log in to this forum just to read your comments and insightful observations. Thank you......... What's so great about these past few games is that it's obvious that Rutgers was the far better team than Syracuse or Maryland. Rutgers belongs in the top 20 ...........The refs definitely altered the outcome of the first half. One thing not mentioned is that I thought having Cliff and Myles out there together in the first half was a difference maker. At the time Maryland was out rebounding Rutgers and playing very physical. But once Cliff and Myles were underneath Rutgers began to assert itself on the boards and begin to dominate Maryland even if the score didn't reflect it.
 

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You should offer your services to some sports website...good game or bad, you always paint an interesting picture with words...that’s hard to do!


thanks, its a labor of love but doing that would make me part of the MSM, you know how much I hate them🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

bac2therac

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This is the perfect post regarding officials. and i ***** about them a lot


re: refs which last year I took a lot of heat for, the bottom line is that there are no do overs, no wins given because people feel sorry for you because the refs are made. You have to control what you can control, sometimes overcome a bad hand from bad refs. I thought Mike Rice's teams played excellent defense but were always in foul trouble and never got any respect. Unfortunately they fell into the trap of not adjusting to how the games were being called. This year early calls last night aside, not only are we getting some respect from refs but we are starting to adapt and cut back on the silly fouls. Myles still gives you one bad reach in but he used to give 2 or 3. We dont get called for as many charges as last season. We are smarter. Last night we had to reign ourselves in to get to halftime so we could reset. It kept us out of sync with the lineup changes just as it did vs Syracuse. Alot of schools are going to try to draw fouls on RU because they know our defense straight up is quite good and then know that beyond the top 7 we are thin.

The perfect example of respect and Rutgers arriving was Harper in the 2nd half getting a call while in the act of shooting, that would not have happened last year.
 

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the best part about this year is the emergence of Ron. Last year Geo was the guy when we needed a big bucket or to get something going. Ron was capable of hitting a shot or two but in no way a go to guy late. This year it seems that Ron and Geo are go to players who are capable of hitting the big shot. Which creates issues for opposing defense. Now mix in Cliff/Myles vs Myles/Shaq we ae a completely different team.

All this being said it is a long season and teams will adjust and defend us differently throughout the year. We need to be ready. The great part is it is much more difficult to adjust against us because of our roster and maturity.
 

bac2therac

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Really believe the win on the road at Purdue to end last season is one of the biggest wins for the program. It had to give the team confidence to know we could win in that environment.


RU really had been playing pretty good on the road most of last season but just ran into some tough teams. They kept getting closer each game, the Penn State game was heartbreaking but finally broke through with the Purdue win. Commentators noted that the teams doing the best in this environment of covid and no fans are the ones generating their own energy. Notice the differences between benches last night and vs Syracuse. Rutgers has been engaged and active. That comes from the coaching staff and trickles down. They have bought in and have a confidence. The no fans thing just has to play some role in these games and to stop runs or build momentum players need to trust and depend on each others resolve. I think RU is way better situated to handle these environments than many programs in the Big 10
 

bac2therac

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There's going to be more of a bench rotation to get to 8 and 9 players, I would not worry there.

The question is which player is going to come into the game, when you really have 4 to 5 guards or players with guard skills??

Harper has guard skills.

Mulcahy obviously has guard skills at 6'7"

Mathis is a dominant defensive player (when we switched and Myles was isolated on the perimeter, Mathis held his own on the low post.

Baker is 6'4" with long arms and obviously can handle the ball.

Jacob Young is a blur and pesky defensively and can handle the ball and get his own offense.

With 5 different people who can handle the ball, you have 40 minutes at the 5.

I think Mag will spell Mathis at times.....and Mulcahy can spell Baker in spots. Yeboah had 21-24 minutes a night last year and now Harper is absorbing most of that and there are minutes where you experiment with Myles and Cliff together because it keeps the glass clean and Myles has good passing skills, without taking shot attempts away from the 3 players spotting up from 3 or driving to the basket..

It comes down to Palmquist spelling Harper and knowing you have 2 other scorers on the court.

I think you can find minutes for Mag or Palmquist, once Baker settles in and can get more scoring and can mix some minutes in.

Most good teams play 8 guys, RU is right where they should be....the question is can you get a game or two where everyone is clicking on both ends with the 8 players you are playing....as Shack mentioned, without the silly turnovers vs Cuse and a couple of missed Young layups, this looks much more convincing....hard to say when you win by 14 on the road.


the rotation after the top 7 is a big concern for me. I did not touch upon it well because RU won by 14. That they havent had a slew of non conference games to work on real game time experience is unfortunate. I am sure though that Mag, Oskar, and Reiber are being prepped hard in practice. They do not have to play huge roles. Its about minutes and not making mistakes. Mag would seem to be the most ahead although his game against Syracuse did not show it. If only we had Yeboah another year this team would be complete. Without Pikiell will have to do a juggling act to get us through some tough games against deeper more experienced teams especially the Iowas and Illinois that can hit the 3. The level of the opponent is through the roof the next two weeks.
 

bac2therac

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BAC--let me join others in praising your game summaries. After each Rutgers game I log in to this forum just to read your comments and insightful observations. Thank you......... What's so great about these past few games is that it's obvious that Rutgers was the far better team than Syracuse or Maryland. Rutgers belongs in the top 20 ...........The refs definitely altered the outcome of the first half. One thing not mentioned is that I thought having Cliff and Myles out there together in the first half was a difference maker. At the time Maryland was out rebounding Rutgers and playing very physical. But once Cliff and Myles were underneath Rutgers began to assert itself on the boards and begin to dominate Maryland even if the score didn't reflect it.


Thank you Jon....and yeah good point about the Twin Towers changing momentum after Maryland had lulled RU to sleep and their defense kicked up a notch RU went on a 10 or 11 point run when we made the switch as MD couldnt adjust on either end and we burned them for easy buckets. I think Pike can pick and choose the best spots to use the tandem
 

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It was a tale of 2 halves from how much a ref or refs, bad or cheap foul calls, can have on the effectiveness on how your offense/defense performs. RHJ, Mulcahy, and Cliff had 2 fouls in the first half, which doesn't effect the 5 spot but it throws off the other 4 spots where certain players are playing on the court at the same time. Maybe some players that are used to only playing on right side of the court have to play on the left side or vice versa, which throws off on who you are used to passing to, taking shots from certain spots, defending opponents on the court. Some guys are more comfortable going/playing D to their left, some to their right, some are fine anywhere determines which side of the court you play stronger from or feel comfortable playing. It seems like our offense/defense struggled when too many players are uncomfortable in the spots they are playing out of necessity from foul trouble to one side of the court and others playing out of position on the court.

In the second half, you saw none of that because there was no foul trouble, result the better team won bigly.