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kcg88

Heisman
Aug 11, 2017
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Ugh. Hate how poorly we scored against zone defenses so far.
 

toby83

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Dec 23, 2014
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Buddy Boeheim looks to be out, assuming he is their best 3 point shooter
 

toby83

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Dec 23, 2014
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is this is a Delaware Water Gap game? (meaning i drive out over border to make the bet on Fanduel app), one of these games will drive out and watch game at the Minisink (right over border great dive bar with good food)
 

Plum Street

Heisman
Jun 21, 2009
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is this is a Delaware Water Gap game? (meaning i drive out over border to make the bet on Fanduel app), one of these games will drive out and watch game at the Minisink (right over border great dive bar with good food)
Do the legal sports betting apps work like that ? The rutgers game will appear once you get into another state that has the same legal sports betting app?
 

ClassOf02v.2

Heisman
Sep 30, 2010
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Key to this game will be our perimeter defense (time to shine, JY). If Cuse hits 3s, it’s gonna be tough. If not, we cruise to a win.
 
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kcg88

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Aug 11, 2017
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seems like every year

That's because you beat a zone by making shots over the top of it and this Rutgers team is not built on shooting. (This is still an improvement from the days when we couldn't shoot or do anything else; at least now we can rebound)
 
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NewJerseyHawk

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Jan 11, 2007
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That's because you beat a zone by making shots over the top of it and this Rutgers team is not built on shooting. (This is still an improvement from the days when we couldn't shoot or do anything else; at least now we can rebound)

You actually don't beat a zone defense by shooting over the top of it, you actually have to move the ball and have players who can drive around picks set against players who are in a zone defense.....drive around picks set, to set up space and isolate defenders against a zone and attack off the bounce...make their zone defense move their feet and see if they can stop Jacob Young and Mathis on the baseline drive without fouling or midrange, pass or lob for a dunk/layup....make them give up the mid range shot to Harper, Mulcahy or whomever flashes to the foul line,, who is a capable passer/slasher....

A zone defense also is VERY difficult to rebound and keep teams off the offensive glass, because you have no idea as the defense, where the ball is going and who to box out. An offensive rebound here or there, will get you points, draw fouls and get teams in foul trouble.

Cuse just plays a zone better than everyone else, because that's all they are coached to do. What good does a zone defense do, if you are Cuse and you fall behind on the scoreboard........??? You can't force turnovers from a zone, unless you are extremely sloppy on offense.....a missed shot is fine, you get a shot attempt and a chance to offensive rebound....a turnover is not good, so 3 point shooting percentage isn't a measure of success. A zone works against a Bryant or Rider that has no chance for an offensive rebound.

Crash the glass, box out and make their guards work on offense, which will wear them down and take away their legs, so they're not as good a shooting team, in the 2nd half.

I suspect that teams may decide to try and mimic the Cuse plan if it's successful in stretches tonight, but most good teams are not good at playing zone defense. ....teams need or would rather defend, rebound or force turnovers, vs allowing a team to just shoot....At the end of the day, the more RU sees a zone, the better it will become at playing it. Either way, I don't know if Cuse can keep RU out of the paint off the dribble or off the backboard for 40 minutes.
 
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Scangg

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Mar 19, 2016
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Agree with Hawk. Unless we are having a rare great shooting night we don't want to just chuck 3's bc its a zone D. Attack it. Mulcahy at the foul line is a zone shredder with some Harper there too. If we do shoot 3's the pass inside then ball reversal 3 is the way to go.

Keep trying to attack inside and could see early foul trouble from their starting center who is really the backup. We should be able to pound them on the glass all night long. When Rutgers relentlessly attacks the rim, we are at our best. Syracuse shooting a lot of 3's should lead to some nice long rebound transition buckets. Young and Mathis still will get out and push the pace before that zone gets set up.
 
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phlop87

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Don't settle for quick outside shots... move the ball, utilize the passing of Harper and Mulcahy at the foul line (and to some extent Johnson) attack the rim and play our normal D We win by 11
 
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RUsojo

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Dec 17, 2010
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You actually don't beat a zone defense by shooting over the top of it, you actually have to move the ball and have players who can drive around picks set against players who are in a zone defense.....drive around picks set, to set up space and isolate defenders against a zone and attack off the bounce...make their zone defense move their feet and see if they can stop Jacob Young and Mathis on the baseline drive without fouling or midrange, pass or lob for a dunk/layup....make them give up the mid range shot to Harper, Mulcahy or whomever flashes to the foul line,, who is a capable passer/slasher....

A zone defense also is VERY difficult to rebound and keep teams off the offensive glass, because you have no idea as the defense, where the ball is going and who to box out. An offensive rebound here or there, will get you points, draw fouls and get teams in foul trouble.

Cuse just plays a zone better than everyone else, because that's all they are coached to do. What good does a zone defense do, if you are Cuse and you fall behind on the scoreboard........??? You can't force turnovers from a zone, unless you are extremely sloppy on offense.....a missed shot is fine, you get a shot attempt and a chance to offensive rebound....a turnover is not good, so 3 point shooting percentage isn't a measure of success. A zone works against a Bryant or Rider that has no chance for an offensive rebound.

Crash the glass, box out and make their guards work on offense, which will wear them down and take away their legs, so they're not as good a shooting team, in the 2nd half.

I suspect that teams may decide to try and mimic the Cuse plan if it's successful in stretches tonight, but most good teams are not good at playing zone defense. ....teams need or would rather defend, rebound or force turnovers, vs allowing a team to just shoot....At the end of the day, the more RU sees a zone, the better it will become at playing it. Either way, I don't know if Cuse can keep RU out of the paint off the dribble or off the backboard for 40 minutes.

The voice of reason. This board needed this post.
 

NewJerseyHawk

Heisman
Jan 11, 2007
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That seems low against a depleted team...

Its Syracuse with 4 star talent at every position....RU actually has more problems on their hands with frosh guard Kadary Richmond....

Richmond was offered by a slew of schools locally (Seton Hall, St. Johns, Rutgers, Pittsburgh etc) before he got more exposure and the Cuse got involved.

Buddy Boeheim is out for Cuse. But he is what I call a "chucker"....that means he takes a lot of bad shots from 3 and gets hot occasionally. But he's a bad defensive guard and we would've eaten him alive in transition.

Richmond is the real deal...he has game and might present problems for Mulcahy or whomever draws that assignment on defense.

 

Scarlet Blind_rivals

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Aug 5, 2001
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I'm sorry this is an easy cover, very Rutgers/Seton Hall like game from last year.
Syracuse beat Niagara 71-57 last year to our 86-39.

Syracuse shot 24-54 44.4% 3pt 9-25 36%
Rutgers shot 35-57 61.4% 3pt 9-18 50%
Talent level isn't close.