OT: Sauce or Gravy

Sauce or Gravy?


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koleszar

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Oh their is a Santa Claus. The man size Easter bunny is a fraud however.
Pheww, for a second there I thought my whole childhood was a lie. The Chef Boyardee thing still has me reeling.

Incorrect but widely believed by NJ Italians who can't speak Italian and have never been to Italy.

They also say Gabagool. LOL

Eat at these guy's mom's house and you get gravy and gabagool.

NJ Italians call it gravy because it makes them feel like they're real Italians. Fact is if Italy wasn't shaped like a boot they wouldn't be able to pick it out on a map.
 

MulletCork

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Love it!
Does anyone old enough remember the coffee can in your refrigerator full of bacon fat drippings that your mom would always save.
Mom made homemade fries. Basically cut the potatoes up and fried up real good. But always a Crisco jar of grease leftover in the fridge!! I used to dip apples in it and feed it to the deer. They loved it!
Side note it’s still sauce on pasta.
 
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I read "gravy" is a Jersey thing. Here in NY, I was swamped in Italians (was engaged to girl from restaurant family) and Italian restaurants and nobody said "gravy." But, Italian language has more false cognates (looks like an English word but with different meaning) than any other language. French is just the opposite - it has most cognates - its English with "e' and "l" at the end. I'm sure some kind of American "sauce/gravy" translation made for regional differences.

Curiously, when I was in Rome, the pasta was mostly green. The pizza I had in Italy was terrible (small round pizzas I had in Sienna smelled like dead fish from the anchovies - I threw them out and the birds wouldn't eat them).

Best Chinese restaurant I ever ate in was in Florence - right on the banks of the Arno near the Ponte Vecchio. I recognized nothing from US menus but everything was great. Food is funny. General Tso's chicken is from NYC lol


"Gravy" = NJ: "Although the term “Gravy” doesn’t exist in Italy..."
 
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Never heard it called gravy until I was at Abro's parents house. Also never heard shut the light instead of turn out the light until I was there.
 

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Pheww, for a second there I thought my whole childhood was a lie. The Chef Boyardee thing still has me reeling..

A sad but true story. George Boiardi, who was in the next generation of Boiardi's, was a Cornell lacrosse player who died on the field in 2004 after taking a shot in the chest that stopped his heart.
 

Yeah Baby

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Brown gravy goes on Turkey.
Gravy goes on pasta and usually has meat.
Sauce is typically marina.

It’s best to use a razor to slice the garlic real thin. It’s a good system.
 

ManasquanMike

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Marinara, white/red clam, pesto, carbonara, bolognese, al fredo SAUCE. Grandparents had Italian restaurants in NYC. They’d turn over in their graves if you called it gravy (for turkey & chicken).
 

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I read "gravy" is a Jersey thing. Here in NY, I was swamped in Italians (was engaged to girl from restaurant family) and Italian restaurants and nobody said "gravy." But, Italian language has more false cognates (looks like an English word but with different meaning) than any other language. French is just the opposite - it has most cognates - its English with "e' and "l" at the end. I'm sure some kind of American "sauce/gravy" translation made for regional differences.

Curiously, when I was in Rome, the pasta was mostly green. The pizza I had in Italy was terrible (small round pizzas I had in Sienna smelled like dead fish from the anchovies - I threw them out and the birds wouldn't eat them).

Best Chinese restaurant I ever ate in was in Florence - right on the banks of the Arno near the Ponte Vecchio. I recognized nothing from US menus but everything was great. Food is funny. General Tso's chicken is from NYC lol


"Gravy" = NJ: "Although the term “Gravy” doesn’t exist in Italy..."
It’s odd that 3rd or 4th generation Americans think they are Italian just because they had an ancestor who emigrated from Sicily 120 years ago. A lot of their food is just their Grandma's Americanized version of Italian food. Their real homeland is the Lower East side, Bowery and Two Bridges neighborhoods in Manhattan. Where the Italian immigrants created the version of their food in the tenements of lower Manhattan.
 
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It’s odd that 3rd or 4th generation Americans think they are Italian just because they had an ancestor who emigrated from Sicily 120 years ago. A lot of their food is just their Grandma's Americanized version of Italian food. Their real homeland is the Lower East side, Bowery and Two Bridges neighborhoods in Manhattan. Where the Italian immigrants created the version of their food in the tenements of lower Manhattan.

And this is why I get to make the final decision in this thread.

Grandparents came over on a boat in the 60s. Uncle was born over there but my dad was born here.

Every August we make gravy for the year (buy a couple bushels of tomatoes, cook, strain and jar them).

Sunday's we cook some jars, meat etc for a couple hours, remove the meat and serve over pasta.

Note - the meat never stays in the gravy and touches the pasta.
It gets served after as 'gravy meat'.
 
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Which is it?
Italians from Italy , like my family , and all the Italians I know that are actually from Italy call it sauce. The ones that call it gravy are born here and maybe their grandparents came here but they use bad Italian slang words that are not used in Italy. Next time you meet someone that got here from Italy ask them . They pronounce all the Italian pastas and meats the way they are supposed to be pronounced not the bad american slang of Italian words.
 
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It’s odd that 3rd or 4th generation Americans think they are Italian just because they had an ancestor who emigrated from Sicily 120 years ago. A lot of their food is just their Grandma's Americanized version of Italian food. Their real homeland is the Lower East side, Bowery and Two Bridges neighborhoods in Manhattan. Where the Italian immigrants created the version of their food in the tenements of lower Manhattan.
Yep , correct.
 

WhiteBus

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And this is why I get to make the final decision in this thread.

Grandparents came over on a boat in the 60s. Uncle was born over there but my dad was born here.

Every August we make gravy for the year (buy a couple bushels of tomatoes, cook, strain and jar them).

Sunday's we cook some jars, meat etc for a couple hours, remove the meat and serve over pasta.

Note - the meat never stays in the gravy and touches the pasta.
It gets served after as 'gravy meat'.
Nice. Would like to make my own. Do you use Jersey Tomatoes or plum?
 

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Full disclosure: non-Italian here, but have been told by Italian friends that the Sunday “sauce” with meats is gravy and marinara on its own is sauce.
That's close to the way that I understand it to be.(The closest I come to being Italian was having a half Italian girlfriend.)
 
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jordkap

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People who call it gravy are the same idiots who think different shapes of pasta taste different. They taste the same regardless if they are rigatoni, ziti, or farfalle
 
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WhiteBus

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People who call it gravy are the same idiots who think different shapes of pasta taste different. They taste the same regardless if they are rigatoni, ziti, or farfalle
Jeeze now where are name calling in a thread about food?? Take a chill pill dude!
And if I made a lasagne with angel hair spaghetti you don't think it would taste different?
 
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It’s odd that 3rd or 4th generation Americans think they are Italian just because they had an ancestor who emigrated from Sicily 120 years ago. A lot of their food is just their Grandma's Americanized version of Italian food. Their real homeland is the Lower East side, Bowery and Two Bridges neighborhoods in Manhattan. Where the Italian immigrants created the version of their food in the tenements of lower Manhattan.
I suppose one could say that about every nationality that came here ... you ‘re 3rd or 4th generation , therefore you lost privilege to your ancestral heritage , Yeah I see that.lol
 

NickRU714

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Jeeze now where are name calling in a thread about food?? Take a chill pill dude!
And if I made a lasagne with angel hair spaghetti you don't think it would taste different?

Clearly someone clueless.
They specifically mentioned farfelle which does in fact taste different with the center of the bow being so dense.

Also, different pasta holds gravy differently.
 
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An English dictionary defining a foreign recipe. You can't figure that out? It's recipe not a trademark nor defined by bad translation. Like French fries.
No. Its just an example of an immigrant group misunderstanding the native language. It's not a big deal but don't tell us that tomato sauce is gravy.
 

RUbacker

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That's true, but not in this case. No one outside of a small regional group uses it like that.
I went to Italy and with me was a friend who was from north jersey and said she spoke Italian. So we get there and she’s trying to use her jersey crude Italian words like gabagool , motzarel etc not using proper pronunciation . No one knew what she was saying and she soon realized she did not know any Italian after all.
 

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I went to Italy and with me was a friend who was from north jersey and said she spoke Italian. So we get there and she’s trying to use her jersey crude Italian words like gabagool , motzarel etc not using proper pronunciation . No one knew what she was saying and she soon realized she did not know any Italian after all.

Lol.

I hope you busted her lady balls good and proper the rest of the trip.
 

RUbacker

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Lol.

I hope you busted her lady balls good and proper the rest of the trip.
Believe it or not she was very humbled by the experience. I did not bust her balls because she did not know any better . Her great grand father came here from italy and she grew up repeating Jersey slang words thinking it was real Italian.
 
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WhiteBus

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No. Its just an example of an immigrant group misunderstanding the native language. It's not a big deal but don't tell us that tomato sauce is gravy.
Tomato sauce isn't gravy. Gravy starts with meat. After all this talk I just had to make some gravy. So I got some great pork and some beef ribs. (It is great being good friends with the butcher's in the store!!) Browned them and poured a few cans of crushed tomatoes into the pot. Added spices and fresh basil from the garden. An hour on simmer and the house smells great. A few hours to go. I feel real bad for you that you never had gravy like this. But I have good news for you. Crappy tasting Ragu in on sale. Enjoy your marinara.
 

RC1991

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Sunday gravy goes on turkey or roast beef. It’s most definitely sauce...no question.
 

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Tomato sauce isn't gravy. Gravy starts with meat. After all this talk I just had to make some gravy. So I got some great pork and some beef ribs. (It is great being good friends with the butcher's in the store!!) Browned them and poured a few cans of crushed tomatoes into the pot. Added spices and fresh basil from the garden. An hour on simmer and the house smells great. A few hours to go. I feel real bad for you that you never had gravy like this. But I have good news for you. Crappy tasting Ragu in on sale. Enjoy your marinara.

technically that’s a ragu 😀
 

WhiteBus

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I feel sorry for the sause crowed. I just killed it making a gravy today. The beef ribs, truly the best!
 

RC1991

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Have you tasted the brand Ragu? That shitss awful. But you are accurate.

Unfortunately, yes as a poor student. My mother would have described it pretty much the same way too! I had an aunt on my father's side of the family who once told my mother her sauce was a good as Ragu....she hit the roof. I'm surprised now that she didn't just tell her to leave!! Sauce or gravy - homemade is always the best!
 
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Skyline Chili in Cincinnati. Damn thats great stuff!!!

Mad Dog was going from a slow white LB at 230 to a slow BIG OL at UCINN and he would eat there every night for his late night snack. He eventually topped out at 305 and started at Center.

My credit card was about 200 bucks a month just from there, not including other eateries in Cinn.
 
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