Indiana on the road

[RUBigFrank]

2-8 on away from home.

 

[shields]

So the Indiana road record is not a problem but our record is.

 

[RU_DIO]

60 Net

 

[hinson32]

I count three away/neutral wins for them: UConn, Minnesota and Nebraska.

 

[RUChoppin]

I count three away/neutral wins for them: UConn, Minnesota and Nebraska.

They also beat Notre Dame on neutral. They're 4-8 overall outside their home arena, and 15-4 at home.

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

Technically, they won two neutral site games against "name" schools ND and UConn. Their rating is way lower losing 4 home games to Arkansas, Md., Purdue and Wisc. I'll take home wins over those three teams instead of neutral wins ND and UConn this year.

 

[ecojew]

They're also just 9-11 in conference play to go with their relatively low NET rating.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

They also beat Notre Dame on neutral. They're 4-8 overall outside their home arena, and 15-4 at home.

I see where you're coming from, but stacking both teams side by side doesn't give enough of separation in strength in schedule, or quality of victories, or victory of location to place IU ahead of Rutgers. 4-8 compared to 2-10 away from home gives IU the advantage, but 17-1 vs. 15-4 with a head-to-head victory has to count for something in Rutgers' favor. Also, Rutgers has a winning conference record while IU doesn't. Suddenly that doesn't matter considering it's probably the best way to compare since it's against common opponents.

 

[RUChoppin]

I see where you're coming from, but stacking both teams side by side doesn't give enough of separation in strength in schedule, or quality of victories, or victory of location to place IU ahead of Rutgers. 4-8 compared to 2-10 away from home gives IU the advantage, but 17-1 vs. 15-4 with a head-to-head victory has to count for something in Rutgers' favor. Also, Rutgers has a winning conference record while IU doesn't. Suddenly that doesn't matter considering it's probably the best way to compare since it's against common opponents.

Sorry I wasn't clear.... that's not where I'm coming from, just where Palm is likely coming from.

 

[Big boy stan]

My suspicion is that bracketers are giving Indiana some credit for wins in the BIG tourney since they are playing "at home". A win against Nebraska and PSU would give them 21 and another Q1.

 

[bac2therac]

Indiana has a very similar profile to Rutgers..not much seperating. Don't get hung up on the comparison issue. Their overall NET lags alot behind RU but not really a big factor in selection process.

 

[Big boy stan]

Their overall NET lags alot behind RU but not really a big factor in selection process

I have been wondering this for the past 2 month or so. NCAA made a big deal when they created the NET to try to make the selection process more objective. In the past 2 years they have made statements (mixed with some backing off of it) to suggest that their goal is to have a "NET standings" that definitively answers the question of who is in and out.

I do believe (as I think you do) that the current NET formula is still flawed but think this is a worthy goal especially for the 16 or so teams that are just above and below the line. It will be interesting to see how many of the top 64 NET teams get in and if it is more than last year.

 

[bac2therac]

its more of sorting tool than anything else, when I do my bracket and seeding, I pay very little attention the actual number. There will almost always be one outlier of someone 55 plus getting in and one who is in the 30-40 being left out.

My best guess is that from the 55 plus its a NC State/UCLA/Texas type while a Stanford with a great NET gets left out.

 

[Raritan83]

I really like IU's draw in the big ten tournament.

Open with an easy win against Nebraska and then gets PSU who has been awful recently and who IU just beat.

Chance for two quick neutral court wins to bolster their resume.

 

[bac2therac]

I think Indiana has some cushion vs some other bubble teams

 

[RU-ROCS]

its more of sorting tool than anything else, when I do my bracket and seeding, I pay very little attention the actual number. There will almost always be one outlier of someone 55 plus getting in and one who is in the 30-40 being left out.

My best guess is that from the 55 plus its a NC State/UCLA/Texas type while a Stanford with a great NET gets left out.

Agreed. Pretty sure St. John's got in with an incredibly low 71 NET last year. But, then again, the committee loves the Big East -- a love which bore no dividends last year.

But our wining conference record v. IU's losing record, the fact that we beat them in our only head-to-head meeting and the fact that they got swept by top-seeded Wisconsin and MD and we split with them both should make us a much better candidate. IU also got to play bottom-tier MN and Nebraska twice, whereas we only got MN once. IU also got swept by Purdue!