Still Human Beings Picking the NCAA Teams

[Anon1751594821]

We have gone over a month with everyone coming up with their opinion of how many wins is still needed to make the tournament. Bac has the best grasp of how the whole thing works, BUT still remember that there are HUMAN BEINGS that actually are going to make the final decision based on all of the Data of every team and who they want in.

Bac keeps saying how a team finishes does not come in to play and it is the whole body of work, but because it is still human beings on the selection committee, doesn't it really comes down to relationships among committee members and the "story" factor? Oklahoma faded badly at the end of that year and they still put them in because so many people wanted to see Trae Young play in it.

Funny how anyone who follows the tournament closely over the years notices how "certain" "potential matchups" are always on their board.

Providence has probably played their way in on the court, but I can't stop thinking that they would be "helped" by all the work that Dave Gavitt put in over all the years.

Anyway, Rutgers was a great story this year and I hope that we can win tomorrow to probably put us in on merit or win at least one more game to make the committee make one of the "feel good stories" this year a reality.

Best of Luck,
Groz

 

[jcrutgers]

Also I think the leagues lend some “help” to their bubble teams. Providence shot 25 free throws at Villanova and scored 54 points total.

Let’s see what kind of whistle we get tomorrow.

 

[bac2therac]

Also I think the leagues lend some “help” to their bubble teams. Providence shot 25 free throws at Villanova and scored 54 points total.

Let’s see what kind of whistle we get tomorrow.

if that was true, then they would have called a moving screen at PSU leaving RU with the win

 

[jcrutgers]

So you do not think that Providence got some help to improve their resume? I am not saying an all out fix, just a favorable whistle to help their chances for the resume building upset against a team that is in no matter what.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Providence still at 17 wins, right?

 

[HallX2]

So you do not think that Providence got some help to improve their resume? I am not saying an all out fix, just a favorable whistle to help their chances for the resume building upset against a team that is in no matter what.

That’s really crazy. Way too much grassy knolls out there.

 

[jcrutgers]

Watch the bubble teams throughout the country playing teams that are in and then decide for yourself.

Minnesota shot 23 free throws in the 2nd half yesterday.

 

[bac2therac]

So you do not think that Providence got some help to improve their resume? I am not saying an all out fix, just a favorable whistle to help their chances for the resume building upset against a team that is in no matter what.

I watched that game. Nova was horrible. PC is playing like the best team in the Big 10

 

[blockm2]

yes it is humans that make the ultimate choices and every year there is 1 or 2 that makes me scratch my head, but we can all have a pretty good idea of what they will do ahead of time.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

All of this is going to sort itself out in the next week, still uber confident that the bubble teams schedule this week still has losses on it so, 1 win and RU is in.

 

[bac2therac]

All of this is going to sort itself out in the next week, still uber confident that the bubble teams schedule this week still has losses on it so, 1 win and RU is in.

I could see this

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

if that was true, then they would have called a moving screen at PSU leaving RU with the win

well.. do the Big Ten refs think we have paid our dues yet? Doubt it. Perhaps the Big Ten wouldn't mind one bit if bubble Rutgers gets left out in favor of bubble Purdue or someone else.

You have to admit though, the Providence example makes sense.. and other leagues likely do it too based on what you see. In the mid-major conferences, wait and see how many bubble-breakers there are. Where a team with a great tourney resume loses and the auto-bid goes to another team, effectively nearly doubling the leagues NCAA payouts.

 

[HallX2]

I could see this

I see you in because you will do no worse than split last two and likely win at least one game in the B10 tourney.

 

[Russ Wood]

All the work that Dave Gavitt put in over all the years didn't get Providence in last year.

 

[RUtrumpet92_rivals498139]

if that was true, then they would have called a moving screen at PSU leaving RU with the win

Did you just admit a ref swallowing the whistle determined the outcome of a game???

 

[Anon1751594821]

All of this is going to sort itself out in the next week, still uber confident that the bubble teams schedule this week still has losses on it so, 1 win and RU is in.

I agree Hawk.

Best of Luck,
Groz

 

[Anon1751594821]

All the work that Dave Gavitt put in over all the years didn't get Providence in last year.

They were 18-16 last year.

Best of Luck,
Groz

 

[bac2therac]

Did you just admit a ref swallowing the whistle determined the outcome of a game???

i am saying there is no bias either way

 

[bac2therac]

well.. do the Big Ten refs think we have paid our dues yet? Doubt it. Perhaps the Big Ten wouldn't mind one bit if bubble Rutgers gets left out in favor of bubble Purdue or someone else.

You have to admit though, the Providence example makes sense.. and other leagues likely do it too based on what you see. In the mid-major conferences, wait and see how many bubble-breakers there are. Where a team with a great tourney resume loses and the auto-bid goes to another team, effectively nearly doubling the leagues NCAA payouts.

this is so wrong its not even funny

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

this is so wrong its not even funny

awww that makes me feel sad

for 2019 Teams earned $1.68 million for their conference for each tourney game they play.

 

[bac2therac]

which makes your point even more absurd that they would actively keep Rutgers out in favor of Purdue as if they control Purdue having to improve on that awful 14-14 mark to get selected. Not to mention lets rig the game that Purdue wins to somehow screw Indiana who is on the bubble

yeah lets keep a team out that needs one more win to get in.....oh that makes alot sense, your credibility is zero

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

which makes your point even more absurd that they would actively keep Rutgers out in favor of Purdue as if they control Purdue having to improve on that awful 14-14 mark to get selected. Not to mention lets rig the game that Purdue wins to somehow screw Indiana who is on the bubble

yeah lets keep a team out that needs one more win to get in.....oh that makes alot sense, your credibility is zero

The word "perhaps" should have indicated a hypothetical. The point should have been clear with the question "do the Big Ten refs think we have paid our dues yet? " The "or some other team" should have indicated that I was not making a specific case to favor Purdue over Rutgers... but a general case of an original Big Ten team over Rutgers.

We have seen refs arrested for gambling scandals. We have seen studies showing various biases in officiating. Christian Laetner once admitted he thought Duke got a lot of calls.

Until refereeing report cards on a per game basis are made available for all to see, as well as how the conferences reward the refs.. we won't really know how biases affect the calls.

Now explain to me how that refs justified going to the video to choose which player to call a foul on and reversing that call so many games ago now. How does that happen? Until you can explain that effectively your credibility is zero.

 

[bac2therac]

yes they want to not have a Big 10 team make the tournament...it has just contradicted your earlier argument

 

[Russ Wood]

They were 18-16 last year.

Best of Luck,
Groz

That's when they really needed to benefit from all the work that Dave Gavitt put in over all the years. :Wink:

 

[zebnatto]

So when all is said and done is it up to a mathematical formula, or after the formula is complete is there still human assessment and decision making? I’m guessing the latter.

 

[RUJMM78]

Rutgers has put their NCAA selection in jeopardy because of woeful performance in February..Blaming the referees is just a distraction to avoid the real problem which is abysmal performance on the road.lets not forget Rutgers had 3 league road wins last season and only one this season against Nebraska.