ESPN- 10 seed / CBS- First 4 Out
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They got Nebby and Northwestern 3x...not interested enough to see if any other schools got them only 2x. I think its hard to judge sos beyond MD and the bottom 2 given how tightly packed everyone is
Agreed, which I'm not sure if that Pikell is that astute on the metrics (I'd be willing to guess he was), but twice he's called off fouling when down by 8 points at the end of a game, which beside the realistic point of view of not being able to comeback, also keeps the likely benefit of that not falling into a "bad loss" category.
I suggested this in another thread and the reaction wasn’t good.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...s-to-not-be-a-“bad”-loss.190189/#post-4402300
And I would say that it happening once might be a coincidence, but happening twice, there's some correlation. I don't think those other people understand how NET is formulated and what is considered. If schools use metrics to construct a schedule that can provide maximum benefit for a potential NCAA bid, you can bet they use metrics to limit damage (or increase win perception).
There are people work in the AD office whose job is to figure things out in terms of scheduling ..not Pikiell
Some people here don’t really understand sports and especially big time sports ? You don’t say
That is such a shallow metric. By that logic, why not just schedule Princeton, Monmouth, and FDU on the road get road wins.
How many of ANY team in projected field has 7 Top 25 road losses by 6 points or less?!
A lot of 2 and 3 seeds have road losses of 20 points or more..
Of course to use that ‘Rudy’ quote once again, the Selection Committee is a “funny bunch of squirrels”..
Need to take it out of their hands. Win...
How many of ANY team in projected field has 7 Top 25 road losses by 6 points or less?!
A lot of 2 and 3 seeds have road losses of 20 points or more..
Of course to use that ‘Rudy’ quote once again, the Selection Committee is a “funny bunch of squirrels”..
Need to take it out of their hands. Win...
Unless things have changed recently, the coaches from the team determine the schedule of who we play. The AD has very little input as crazy as that sounds.
Best of Luck,
Groz
I dont mean schedule the games per se. I mean give a guideline of the schools we might want to play to manipulate and ensure the best chances of a strong sos. Schools routinely did this rpi and now theyll be trying to figure out the net
Actually its not at all...thats why we have only 17 wins on our sheet...game not counted in any net or sos although will be the score will be noted on our sheet
Do you think our NET would be worse if we beat a team in the 300s instead of Caldwell in that game?
I read about the NET here, and don't fully understand it....and I would guess that many are in the same situation......
is this the first year with this, because I don't remember it being a big part of the conversation last year.....
Maybe we can play at Purdue like we did at Iowa last year..
I don’t know... The NIT selection process kind of made it official that loss count is a “real” metric by requiring a 500 record. The math says a count of 18 is the absolute max for the NIT and would require poor 14-17 record, 4 conf tourney wins followed by a loss in the finals. Very rare - so generally a limit of 17 losses to be considered for an NIT bid. The point is there is some threshold of losses that are just going to be too many for at large bid regardless of what else you’ve done on the win side whether it’s 14, 15 or 16.
I said this 3 away win thing isn’t real because, in contrast, let’s stay instead of losing to Pitt and St Bonnie, Rutgers had played Dayton and East Tenn State at home and won. Everyone satisfied they would then be a lock now even with losing out at 20-11? In this example, RU would without question be making the tournament with a total of 1 win away from home.
I hear you. But the point I was making is that I don’t think it’s actually the case that teams have been left out of the field specifically because they didn’t win enough away games. Usually there are more than 2 teams in a conference that are complete non-contenders which would mean that if you didn’t beat 3 NW type teams on the road so you likely picked up at least one pretty bad loss in conference. Probably more. The reason this doesn’t happen that often is more because of you don’t win on the road, your loss count starts to balloon, you generally pick up bad losses and need extra good wins to compensate.
I do think there is some total loss count that is just too many even with amazing wins. it used to be 13-14 and seems to have moved to 14-15 when the field expanded. But if you have 16 losses with a bunch of great wins, it’s clearly the loss count that’s keeping you out.
You can't predict by old metrics, NET is not going away any time soon, maybe tweaks in the future.
Closest comparison was NC St last year
Finished last year the season 21-10 1-1 ACC tourney 22-11 NIT
Q1 3-9 Q2 5-0 Q3 4-2 Q4 10-0
H 15-4 R- 4-6 N 3-1
Games against winning record teams
L @ Wisconsin 23-11, W vs Auburn 29-10, L vs UNC 29-7, L @ Louisville 20-14, W vs Clemson 20-14, L vs Va 35-3, L vs Va Tech 26-9, L @UNC, W vs Cuse 20-14, L @ Duke 32-6, L @ FSU 29-8, W N Clemson, L N Va.
4-9 vs winning record
17-2 vs losing record( a bunch of bad non conference and ACC dregs)
Rutgers 17-11, 2 Q1 left, B1G tourny
Q1 3-9 Q2 4-1 Q3 3-1 Q4 7-0
H 17-1 R 1-8 N 0-2
Games against winning record
L N St. Bonaventure 17-10, W vs SF Austin 22-3, L MSU 19-9, W vs. Wisc. 18-10, W vs Seton Hall 21-7, W vs Lafayette 16-11, W PSU 21-8, L @ Illinois 18-9, W vs Indiana 18-10, L @ Iowa 20-9, W vs Purdue 15-14, L N Mich. 18-10, L @ Md. 23-5, L @ OSU 19-9, W vs Illinois, L vs Michigan, L @ Wisc., L PSU
8-10 vs winning records
9-1 vs losing records
Big difference in resume with 2 games left. If Iowa and we beat Purdue, we might knocking them to a losing record but add to our road record. A win over Maryland will 99% lock us in, barring a NW or Neb loss.
Closest comparison was NC St last year
Finished last year the season 21-10 1-1 ACC tourney 22-11 NIT
Q1 3-9 Q2 5-0 Q3 4-2 Q4 10-0
H 15-4 R- 4-6 N 3-1
Games against winning record teams
L @ Wisconsin 23-11, W vs Auburn 29-10, L vs UNC 29-7, L @ Louisville 20-14, W vs Clemson 20-14, L vs Va 35-3, L vs Va Tech 26-9, L @UNC, W vs Cuse 20-14, L @ Duke 32-6, L @ FSU 29-8, W N Clemson, L N Va.
4-9 vs winning record
17-2 vs losing record( a bunch of bad non conference and ACC dregs)
Rutgers 17-11, 2 Q1 left, B1G tourny
Q1 3-9 Q2 4-1 Q3 3-1 Q4 7-0
H 17-1 R 1-8 N 0-2
Games against winning record
L N St. Bonaventure 17-10, W vs SF Austin 22-3, L MSU 19-9, W vs. Wisc. 18-10, W vs Seton Hall 21-7, W vs Lafayette 16-11, W PSU 21-8, L @ Illinois 18-9, W vs Indiana 18-10, L @ Iowa 20-9, W vs Purdue 15-14, L N Mich. 18-10, L @ Md. 23-5, L @ OSU 19-9, W vs Illinois, L vs Michigan, L @ Wisc., L PSU
8-10 vs winning records
9-1 vs losing records
Big difference in resume with 2 games left. If Iowa and we beat Purdue, we might knocking them to a losing record but add to our road record. A win over Maryland will 99% lock us in, barring a NW or Neb loss.
Retweet this. Depending on the school it might be the AD, or the specific administrator assigned as Basketball's AD, along with support staff with the team that watches this.
The Bracket Project's Bracket Matrix - 2020
Still the second highest 10 seed and on 93 of 103 brackets.
Still the second highest 10 seed and on 93 of 103 brackets.
The posters who said we’re already in need to apologize. Those who claim RU only needs one more win are looking pretty foolish, too.
Lose next 2 ... then RU would have ended regular season 2-8 in last 10 games. Not saying the schedule is easy, but that is not an NCAA resume finish. Still think RU gets one of next two and a B1G tourney win to hit 20 and make it interesting.
With everything that you're seeing on projections and with the resumes, what leads you to believe that with anything less than 2 more wins RU is 100% out?
If that is true then that may be the problem. There should be a basketball staff member whose job it is to construct the non-conference schedule. At many schools its the associate head coach.
Having said that, no that RU is winning games fewer quad 1 or 2 schools will be interested in playing RU.
Providence.
It’s got to be unprecedented for a team to have such solid wins on the resume but such lack of success on the road. Will be an interesting case study in 2 weeks unless something changes. I’d feel more confident for RU with a win at Purdue over a win vs. Maryland. Win at Purdue eliminates, or reduces, the major black mark right now.
Although I'm sure there is some lobbying involved but you have to be invited to play in those.
And now that we finally dont suck, hopefully an invite is coming
The last 10 games isnt a thing and if we win 2 more games it won't be interesting at all unless you're talking about seeding.
https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/...rnaments-mte-thanksgiving-holiday-tournaments
This is a good site to track those tournaments and see which ones to rule out. Something like the Gotham Classic would be a good fit for you guys.
Las Vegas Invitational and MGM would also make sense.
This is a good site to track those tournaments and see which ones to rule out. Something like the Gotham Classic would be a good fit for you guys.
Las Vegas Invitational and MGM would also make sense.