Nah...they'll just laugh at you and feel bad for you...
You know, like in the village idiot kind of way
Pikiell is overrated.
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Nah...they'll just laugh at you and feel bad for you...
You know, like in the village idiot kind of way
I’m sure they’ll be laughing playing Northern Iowa at home in the NIT.
At least they’ll be home so they’ll be able to overcome a 15 point deficit in the first half.
When was the last time we were even in consideration for a post season tourney? How many years? How many coaches? The basketball team has been very bad for years, worse than our football team.
If the football team was in discussion for going 6-6 in year 4 I’m guessing you’d be the guy ready to run Schiano out of town.
Our basketball team is going to be no worse than 18-14.
How about something factual and pull yourself out of your RUT.
If the football team was in discussion for going 6-6 in year 4 I’m guessing you’d be the guy ready to run Schiano out of town.
Our basketball team is going to be no worse than 18-14.
How about something factual and pull yourself out of your RUT.
A lot of the anti Schiano crowd tries to run him out of town for 9 win seasons and around .500 conference play. So just seems to be the norm for sports fans lol
These are fun times indeed.
First the recruiting was terrible and the players being brought in, were not good enough...so there's no chance to win....and that was 3 years ago, 3 months ago after losing to Pitt and St Bona....now it will be 3 days from now, when we play another ranked team on the road.
Then players who have a couple of good games might be testing the draft very soon....or if not that, I thought the talent wasn't good enough??
Then 3 weeks ago it was whether UConn was going to come calling about Pike, because of course UConn will need a new coach, who is Danny Hurley in Year 3, with better players and talent/athleticism at every position vs RU.....he definitely would be better, look at how good UConn is doing in the AAC.....right???
I can always ask, what coach is better....?? If fans can name whose better in the B1G, name them without aligning some 4 or 5 star players carried by their program or a roster inherited with 3 to 4 very good players in place.....You want Juwan Howard....?? Pat Chambers at PSU, who was on the firing line 12 months ago?? Archie Miller, who was hearing the wolves at Indiana??
It's year 4 and on the doorstep for the NCAAs after no winning seasons since Schiano went 11-2....we had 2 football coaches and 3 basketball coaches since then.....and 10K fans at MSG about 3 weeks ago, maybe I missed that too. That only happens because, I mean, we've done very little since Pike has arrived, right??
It's going to be fun rebuilding football too and playing Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin Iowa, MSU and Michigan and asking "why can't we ever beat Ohio State in football on the road and why can't we make a major bowl game....
Maybe it's going to be Schiano at fault when that doesn't happen in Year 4....Cause we all know the B1G is subpar in football, just like basketball....we will be able to win road games at Wisconsin, Happy Valley, Ann Arbor and Iowa City in short order....can't wait for those teams to get to Piscataway when we get things set in 3 to 4 years.....that's all it will take....!! Don't worry about any of it, things are going to be fine, I mean, anyone can recruit and coach at RU, didn't we find that out with Flood and Ash....or was it FHJ in hoops....maybe Eddie Jordan can come back to help with our offense, we just need to run our sets on offense differently and we go from 19 to 20 wins to become Michigan State overnight.....!!
We have a protege of a Hall of Fame coach in Jim Calhoun, who doesn't cheat in recruiting like UConn and Calhoun. No coach is perfect, but if you are on the Naismith list for Coach of the Year candidate, something must be done right, I think.....???
First the recruiting was terrible and the players being brought in, were not good enough...so there's no chance to win....and that was 3 years ago, 3 months ago after losing to Pitt and St Bona....now it will be 3 days from now, when we play another ranked team on the road.
Then players who have a couple of good games might be testing the draft very soon....or if not that, I thought the talent wasn't good enough??
Then 3 weeks ago it was whether UConn was going to come calling about Pike, because of course UConn will need a new coach, who is Danny Hurley in Year 3, with better players and talent/athleticism at every position vs RU.....he definitely would be better, look at how good UConn is doing in the AAC.....right???
I can always ask, what coach is better....?? If fans can name whose better in the B1G, name them without aligning some 4 or 5 star players carried by their program or a roster inherited with 3 to 4 very good players in place.....You want Juwan Howard....?? Pat Chambers at PSU, who was on the firing line 12 months ago?? Archie Miller, who was hearing the wolves at Indiana??
It's year 4 and on the doorstep for the NCAAs after no winning seasons since Schiano went 11-2....we had 2 football coaches and 3 basketball coaches since then.....and 10K fans at MSG about 3 weeks ago, maybe I missed that too. That only happens because, I mean, we've done very little since Pike has arrived, right??
It's going to be fun rebuilding football too and playing Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin Iowa, MSU and Michigan and asking "why can't we ever beat Ohio State in football on the road and why can't we make a major bowl game....
Maybe it's going to be Schiano at fault when that doesn't happen in Year 4....Cause we all know the B1G is subpar in football, just like basketball....we will be able to win road games at Wisconsin, Happy Valley, Ann Arbor and Iowa City in short order....can't wait for those teams to get to Piscataway when we get things set in 3 to 4 years.....that's all it will take....!! Don't worry about any of it, things are going to be fine, I mean, anyone can recruit and coach at RU, didn't we find that out with Flood and Ash....or was it FHJ in hoops....maybe Eddie Jordan can come back to help with our offense, we just need to run our sets on offense differently and we go from 19 to 20 wins to become Michigan State overnight.....!!
We have a protege of a Hall of Fame coach in Jim Calhoun, who doesn't cheat in recruiting like UConn and Calhoun. No coach is perfect, but if you are on the Naismith list for Coach of the Year candidate, something must be done right, I think.....???
so your premise is the coach is overrated. This post I’m replying to suggests you think the players stink.
If the coach is overrated and the players are soft as baby ****..how are they in the Tourny as of today?
Nope. I’m a Schiano guy through a through. Guy could go 4-8 and I’d be happy with him. He’s gonna close Cliff for Pike, that’s how big of a stud he is.
I believe it’s the coaches job to make sure the players aren’t soft.
I actually don’t think we have talentless players. I think we haven’t plenty of talent. Our team has a solid amount of 4 star guys.
I just think Pike hasn’t been able to finish the job with them and it’s showing.
Pike took over a team that won 1 B1G Ten game the year before against the Minnesota B team. What coach is turning that team into a powerhouse by year 4? Do you think we're Duke?
You legit just proved @kyk1827 point. “We were garbage before so mediocrity is acceptable.”
No one is asking for a powerhouse. But in a league where 10/14 teams are making the NCAAs, RU absolutely should be in it. Anything else is failure.
Also Pike showed poor judgement when he hitched his wagon to Hobbs during the whole Schiano deal.
Why are you acting like the state of the team when he took over is irrelevant? You're a Schiano guy, he was 4-7 in year 4 and it's not because he was a bad coach.
I’ve been over this before, but Pike has had 1 major loss each year to prove he isn’t the guy. Loses Corey. Loses Eugene. Potentially about to lose a NCAA bid on 5 straight loses. Potentially lose Cliff.
There are major red flags here. You guys just ignore them.
When
Kids are going to transfer from every school. The results are the most important thing and if he gets Rutgers to the dance in year 4 that is undeniably a huge success and would greatly exceed any expectations that a reasonable person would have for this program 4 years removed from a 7 win season.
Kids are going to transfer from every school. The results are the most important thing and if he gets Rutgers to the dance in year 4 that is undeniably a huge success and would greatly exceed any expectations that a reasonable person would have for this program 4 years removed from a 7 win season.
In regards to running more I agree. We need to force turnovers and get out and run and get baskets in transition and secondary breaks. I am surprised we haven't really seen Pike ever experiment with a small ball pressing lineup and try to push the pace. It would also get more scoring on the court. It's tough with all the really good bigs in the league but I thought we would see it at times this season
No the OP is. What's not to Like About Pike? Steady improvement every season.
Another asshat candidate for the ignore list.
Take a lap.
Take a lap.
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Im not asking to be a powerhouse. Im asking to be a team that looks like it practices a half court offense. Were utterly incompetent on that end and keep making the same mistakes on both ends over and over again
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Football and basketball are apples and hand grenades. Zero comparison. One sport can have one player make you a tourney team, another sport requires years of strength building and 40+ guys playing every game
Thx. I wish everyone made such a compelling case for the ignore button
We had morons trashing Schiano year after year. Bowl game after bowl game. Every fan vase has morons.
Any fan of Bball knows the realistic goal this year was to make a postseason. NIT is happening at a minimum no matter what the happens the rest of the season. NCAA's are a realistic hope that was not expected by anyone this year. Enjoy the season and realize this team is learning faster than expected.
What does that have to do with anything? Did pikiell sleep w your wife? This whole thread is poor judgement
I don’t disagree too much with this. But if you look at the overall results I think it would be hard to argue that Pike has not been a resounding success. We were probably the worst power 6 team when he took over and he might end a 30 year tourney drought by year 4. The context matters.
+1
If we're talking about being overrated, I think it's more about the guys bouncing the balls than the ones blowing the whistles.
This is like listening to a clown making a fool out of himself. It is easy to criticize when you are sitting behind a keyboard. Hawk stated things very well. I hope The RUT never attends another RU B-Ball game as he certainly cannot be a fan like many of us are.
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The problem is, in a lot of peoples eyes, you cant be a fan of the program unless you simply state theres nothing wrong and everythings rainbows and butterflys. Thats not true
My preseason prediction was 17-14 which Rutgers has already surpassed.They finally have achieved a winning season after over a decade of futility.Pikiell has been a outstanding representative of Rutgers on and off the court and should be highly considered for coach of the year for resurrecting a down trodden basketball program.His reputation will largely be determined by future recruiting.Player development can only take a team so far.
There's a BIG difference between saying something is wrong and having no concepts about what the other 13 programs are starting from vs RU started from in season 2016-17.
In order to have a realistic conversation, the best thing to do is find examples around the Power 5 or 6 leagues and let RU fans know "this is what Mississippi State has done, or Utah or Minnesota or Penn State...maybe it's Oklahoma State or Georgia Tech.
If the answer is "I don't know and don't care, I only care about what RU is doing", then it's a complete lack of knowledge or perspective....which is 100% OK.
But if that's the viewpoint fans have that basketball programs can be built on 1 basketball recruit, explain why Georgia is losing games with a freshman lottery pick averaging 20PPG....why are San Diego State, Gonzaga and Dayton all potentially 1 seeds in the NCAAS.....is it because they're great teams or play in conference where you aren't challenged over 3 months and maybe have 3 tough games over 2-3 months....
It wasn't long ago that Gregg Marshall was the media darling of CBB at Wichita State.....he got 3 to 4 extensions because he dominated the Missouri Valley Conference playing Illinois State, Bradley, Northern Iowa, Loyola Chicago Evansville etc....
Fast forward 5 to 7 years and Wichita State still has great players...but they're in a more challenging league now...the days off when you play a bad half on the road at Indiana State and rally to win, don't happen when you play a bad half instead at Cincinnati or Houston...in those games, you will take a loss or be down 25 to 30 points.
Wichita State is a bubble team, with a great coach....San Diego State, Gonzaga and Dayton have a great player or having magical seasons...does anyone really believe that if those teams played RUs schedule in the B1G, that they'd be better than RUs performances...by 1 game or would they be better than Maryland and in 1st place??
These are bigger questions that mind warp some fans don't factor in.
I am all for a college basketball discussion, football recruiting discussion, football discussion and being aware of what your competitors are or aren't doing. Those things ultimately matter.....ignoring what's being done around you as a sports fan, could be a great way to live life, I guess....in most cases however, you wind up sounding clueless or frustrated claiming that fans are accepting mediocre.....LMAO....
I stated the talent isn't there yet. Which IMO true.
So if you want to blame it on the Staff, that to me is more than fair.
Very simple...He does make adjustments. We DON"T have pure shooters that other teams have and can NOT shoot the ball from long range (EVEN when open most of the time). Heck we can't even shoot Free Throws well and they are FREE !!!! We need a few pure shooters and he knows it. We'll get them. Better record and facilities will help...He's been doing all of this (About a year earlier than I honestly expected) without CONSISTENT shooters...Get one or two (Or someone really improves) and a BIG (Easier said than done but now he has the record and hopefully NCAA bid & facilities to help).... All Pike haters need to chill...Typical RU though, guy turns the program around from garbage to this year and we want to run him out now? Please enjoy the progress and look forward to a brighter shooter...You will see how great of an "Offensive " coach he looks like when three's start to fall and the paint opens up after that a bit...
This is really a ridiculous thread. Pick almost any team in the league: Michigan St., Michigan, OSU, etc. and each team has had a rough patch. In most cases, it was combined with a tough portion of the schedule. Ours is just later in the season, so people here on in panic mode. But much of it is execution on the part of the players, not Pikiell. We just have to play through it.