Please Recruit Some Midwest Farm Boys

[Caliknight]

We can run. We can jump. We have length and can defend. We play hard and rebound.

Whar we can’t do and will never do with the current group is shoot well. It rears it’s ugly head at the free throw line and open jump shots.

A couple of guys like Wisconsin has would make a world of difference, specifically a big who can shoot and a 3. Guys who you leave open and you have faith that ball is going in.

Basketball is a scoring game. A coupe kids like Wisconsin has would make a massive difference to our program. Go get some of them Pike!

 

[sct1111]

Midwest Farm Boys? :facepalm:

 

[bac2therac]

Ponytails

 

[RUsojo]

We can run. We can jump. We have length and can defend. We play hard and rebound.

Whar we can’t do and will never do with the current group is shoot well. It rears it’s ugly head at the free throw line and open jump shots.

A couple of guys like Wisconsin has would make a world of difference, specifically a big who can shoot and a 3. Guys who you leave open and you have faith that ball is going in.

Basketball is a scoring game. A coupe kids like Wisconsin has would make a massive difference to our program. Go get some of them Pike!

In conference play we are shooting 30.4% from 3 while our conference opponents are shooting 31.3% against us.

 

[GilliganIsland]

How did that work out for Gary Waters?

 

[Scangg]

Reiber is a big white guy who can shoot but hes from the south. Palmquist is white and swedish. So close

 

[Caliknight]

Whatever. Get some guys like Wisconsin has. Or Michigan. Or a number of other schools. They can shoot. We need shooters. It’s been the biggest issue this program has and remains the last one that hasn’t been addressed.

 

[RUJMM78]

We can run. We can jump. We have length and can defend. We play hard and rebound.

Whar we can’t do and will never do with the current group is shoot well. It rears it’s ugly head at the free throw line and open jump shots.

A couple of guys like Wisconsin has would make a world of difference, specifically a big who can shoot and a 3. Guys who you leave open and you have faith that ball is going in.

Basketball is a scoring game. A coupe kids like Wisconsin has would make a massive difference to our program. Go get some of them Pike!

In womens basketball its called recruiting yellow pony tails.

 

[bethlehemfan]

Reiber is a big white guy who can shoot but hes from the south. Palmquist is white and swedish. So close

Lots of Swedes out west. Might as well get an original

 

[Rutgers36]

Palmquist. Watched him shoot endless rainbows that hit nothing but net in warmups before the Michigan game. He can shoot it by the eyeball test. Of course we need to see that in games next year. As coach Orgeron says, “ oh we’re comin.”

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

We can run. We can jump. We have length and can defend. We play hard and rebound.

Whar we can’t do and will never do with the current group is shoot well. It rears it’s ugly head at the free throw line and open jump shots.

A couple of guys like Wisconsin has would make a world of difference, specifically a big who can shoot and a 3. Guys who you leave open and you have faith that ball is going in.

Basketball is a scoring game. A coupe kids like Wisconsin has would make a massive difference to our program. Go get some of them Pike!

Plugging one of the Wisconsin's players in our offense would be a disaster. He would need to create for himself, probably with other teammates near him and then defer to Geo for a last-second-hoist. The offensive problem is much bigger than adding a shooter or two.

 

[soundcrib]

We have a tall Swedish guy now that can supposedly shoot.

 

[Caliknight]

Plugging one of the Wisconsin's players in our offense would be a disaster. He would need to create for himself, probably with other teammates near him and then defer to Geo for a last-second-hoist. The offensive problem is much bigger than adding a shooter or two.

No it isn’t. Basketball isn’t rocket science. A couple of shooters fix the obvious issues with the offense. It’s also opens up driving lanes because guys won’t feel so comfortable leaving their man.



The last second heave hos happen because we can’t get penetration because teams have little respect for our shooting. A couple of shooters change that immediately. Specifically a big. Take that kid from WI and play him on our team and the o would look totally different. Bigs wouldn’t just be able to sit in the lane waiting for someone to try and drive.

As it is now, they don’t even play Myles at the free throw line. We need shooters. It’s so obvious.

 

[Mr_Twister]

In conference play we are shooting 30.4% from 3 while our conference opponents are shooting 31.3% against us.

Is the conclusion that we just don’t shoot enough three’s?

 

[fluoxetine]

I do think we pass up to many good three point looks.

 

[RUsojo]

Is the conclusion that we just don’t shoot enough three’s?

That’s my opinion.

Ive found that we pass up open 3s mid shot clock only to find ourselves take a bad shot later on in the possession.

Don’t care very much whether we take 2s or 3s but care we take good shots when we get the looks. Because we struggle to get the looks.

 

[RUsojo]

Plugging one of the Wisconsin's players in our offense would be a disaster. He would need to create for himself, probably with other teammates near him and then defer to Geo for a last-second-hoist. The offensive problem is much bigger than adding a shooter or two.

No it isn’t. Basketball isn’t rocket science. A couple of shooters fix the obvious issues with the offense. It’s also opens up driving lanes because guys won’t feel so comfortable leaving their man.



The last second heave hos happen because we can’t get penetration because teams have little respect for our shooting. A couple of shooters change that immediately. Specifically a big. Take that kid from WI and play him on our team and the o would look totally different. Bigs wouldn’t just be able to sit in the lane waiting for someone to try and drive.

As it is now, they don’t even play Myles at the free throw line. We need shooters. It’s so obvious.

It’s almost as if Magoo has no idea that in big ten play missing three full games baker has way more assists than anyone on the team.

 

[SirScarlet]

That’s my opinion.

Ive found that we pass up open 3s mid shot clock only to find ourselves take a bad shot later on in the possession.

Don’t care very much whether we take 2s or 3s but care we take good shots when we get the looks. Because we struggle to get the looks.

i agree with this criticism. we do pass up open looks. not sure if it's a confidence thing or an intentional thing (kill more clock).

I still think that we have a small handful of guys who are truly confident making 3s...for example, you don't see Yeboah passing up open 3s much. You do see it with Tez and Mulcahy. And before RHJ's cold streak, he rarely passed them up. Now, he questions himself...you see it.

I feel it's a combo of skill, and inexperience. Completely expected given how young we are....but agree this needs to improve.

 

[RUsojo]

i agree with this criticism. we do pass up open looks. not sure if it's a confidence thing or an intentional thing (kill more clock).

I still think that we have a small handful of guys who are truly confident making 3s...for example, you don't see Yeboah passing up open 3s much. You do see it with Tez and Mulcahy. And before RHJ's cold streak, he rarely passed them up. Now, he questions himself...you see it.

I feel it's a combo of skill, and inexperience. Completely expected given how young we are....but agree this needs to improve.

Definitely some of those things but Pikiell has also mandated we take less threes.

 

[SirScarlet]

Definitely some of those things but Pikiell has also mandated we take less threes.

yeah...that's tied to the skill thing I think...if we had a bunch of Iowa's shooters, I dont know that he would mandate that.

and on this mandate thing...are we sure we're referring to a system thing, or his comment after a game in which we took too many? I remember the comment, but only vaguely.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Are there any farm boys who are good lacrosse face off guys?

 

[RUsojo]

yeah...that's tied to the skill thing I think...if we had a bunch of Iowa's shooters, I dont know that he would mandate that.

and on this mandate thing...are we sure we're referring to a system thing, or his comment after a game in which we took too many? I remember the comment, but only vaguely.

I think he got gun shy on the 3 ball after the bonnies game. Talked about it in post game. Referenced it a few more times afterwards.

Probably gives the message to his guys the ole coach saying of “work the ball around for a good shot” instead of taking a “early” shot clock three. But like I said we aren’t good enough offensively to pass on good looks.

The talent thing is true but this is a clear case, like the 2 for 1, where Pikiells stubbornness (like many other coaches) shows, and he ignores the value added utilizing theses strategies and leans on old baskets truisms.

We shoot 2% worse from 3 than our opponents in big ten play.

 

[fluoxetine]

And we're taking a lot of bad threes at the end of the clock. If we took some earlier ones our % would probably be a little higher.

 

[zebnatto]

No it isn’t. Basketball isn’t rocket science. A couple of shooters fix the obvious issues with the offense. It’s also opens up driving lanes because guys won’t feel so comfortable leaving their man.



The last second heave hos happen because we can’t get penetration because teams have little respect for our shooting. A couple of shooters change that immediately. Specifically a big. Take that kid from WI and play him on our team and the o would look totally different. Bigs wouldn’t just be able to sit in the lane waiting for someone to try and drive.

As it is now, they don’t even play Myles at the free throw line. We need shooters. It’s so obvious.

And those last second heaves are partly caused by passing up good looks earlier in the clock.

 

[Rutgers25]

And we're taking a lot of bad threes at the end of the clock. If we took some earlier ones our % would probably be a little higher.

I’ve been saying this for a while now. We’re way to hesitant out there. Let it rip when you have a look. Have to go up with confidence.

 

[RUsojo]

 

[Caliknight]

Definitely some of those things but Pikiell has also mandated we take less threes.

That's because we can't shoot threes. Teams that can shoot, the coach mandates the opposite. You want to do what you do well.

For us, that's trying to get to the basket in open court situations first and foremost. For other teams like Michigan, they actually fan out on things like fast breaks are and are trying to shoot the 3.

There is a reason analytics say to shoot 3's. But you have to have shooters to do it. Pike is a smart coach. He doesn't want the team shooting the three because are aren't good shooters. We are more effective going to the basket. If we had a couple of good shooters, the slashers we have would have more room to operate.

We are very easy to defend in the half court because of the lack of shooting ability.

 

[RUsojo]

http://www.barttorvik.com/team-view...2value=Wisconsin&t2year=2019&scode=0000001100

 

[SirScarlet]

I think he got gun shy on the 3 ball after the bonnies game. Talked about it in post game. Referenced it a few more times afterwards.

Probably gives the message to his guys the ole coach saying of “work the ball around for a good shot” instead of taking a “early” shot clock three. But like I said we aren’t good enough offensively to pass on good looks.

The talent thing is true but this is a clear case, like the 2 for 1, where Pikiells stubbornness (like many other coaches) shows, and he ignores the value added utilizing theses strategies and leans on old baskets truisms.

We shoot 2% worse from 3 than our opponents in big ten play.

yeah...this is where his defense first philosophy has helped us get to where we are quicker than we expected (assuming recruiting is constant), but now needs to be further enhanced/developed to allow us to take the next step.

I'd love to go back and see what his SB teams were like...I am sure they were tenacious defensively but curious if they are the same as we are now offensively (style wise)

btw...I don't disagree with us needing to shoot more 3s...been telling my buddy that for a while...but, I do feel like it has increased over time.

 

[bethlehemfan]

Have you guys watched when we shoot 3’s early in the shot clock?

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

It’s almost as if Magoo has no idea that in big ten play missing three full games baker has way more assists than anyone on the team.

What does that have to do with our terrible offense? He's arguably our best player. Best players often have more points/assists than others. Baker can create for himself and hit the open man better than anyone else on the team. That's why he's the point guard. The point is that he's almost always improvising because our offense is terrible. Count how many times we waste 20 seconds on the shot clock only to hoist a desperation heave at the buzzer. Also, watch our end-of game plays. It's almost always winding the clock down for a Baker step-back.

 

[zebnatto]

Not run and gun, but whether or not to take open threes early(ish) in the shot clock. For this team is a good basketball discussion.

 

[RUJMM78]

I think he got gun shy on the 3 ball after the bonnies game. Talked about it in post game. Referenced it a few more times afterwards.

Probably gives the message to his guys the ole coach saying of “work the ball around for a good shot” instead of taking a “early” shot clock three. But like I said we aren’t good enough offensively to pass on good looks.

The talent thing is true but this is a clear case, like the 2 for 1, where Pikiells stubbornness (like many other coaches) shows, and he ignores the value added utilizing theses strategies and leans on old baskets truisms.

We shoot 2% worse from 3 than our opponents in big ten play.

In the Wisconsin the 3 point differential was 21 points which is too much to overcome along with the foul shots.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Wisconsin never (as in “not ever”) loses at home. Does not matter who the team is. Excessive hand-wringing and paralysis by analysis in this thread. Somewhere Bo Ryan is amused by this thread (211-22 home record). Wisconsin is 13-1 at home this year.

 

[RUsojo]

In the Wisconsin the 3 point differential was 21 points which is too much to overcome along with the foul shots.

I was very confident we would get a win at Wisconsin and i think Pike and the team did a good job. Unlucky result and officiating.

 

[rudad02]

Whatever. Get some guys like Wisconsin has. Or Michigan. Or a number of other schools. They can shoot. We need shooters. It’s been the biggest issue this program has and remains the last one that hasn’t been addressed.

Yes.

 

[rubaseball78_rivals]

Ponytails

Blonde pony tails

 

[Caliknight]

Wisconsin never (as in “not ever”) loses at home. Does not matter who the team is. Excessive hand-wringing and paralysis by analysis in this thread. Somewhere Bo Ryan is amused by this thread (211-22 home record). Wisconsin is 13-1 at home this year.

This isn't just about Wisconsin. It's obviously a huge hinderance not being able to shoot. At home, we can get away with it. The crowd drives our guys and helps keep the other team in check. It's a huge Rutgers advantage.

On the road, you need to be able to shoot well and hit free throws. It's not rocket science why our away/neutral court record is so awful. All gets back to our inability to shoot.

It's such an obvious problem that I am not sure why people are debating it. The debate should be, which players are we recruiting that can fix it.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Wisconsin beats teams at home, all comers. Teams with shooters, teams without. They always find a way to win at home.

 

[NickKnight 1]

This isn't just about Wisconsin. It's obviously a huge hinderance not being able to shoot. At home, we can get away with it. The crowd drives our guys and helps keep the other team in check. It's a huge Rutgers advantage.

On the road, you need to be able to shoot well and hit free throws. It's not rocket science why our away/neutral court record is so awful. All gets back to our inability to shoot.

It's such an obvious problem that I am not sure why people are debating it. The debate should be, which players are we recruiting that can fix it.

Don't we have three commits for next year, that are suppose to be shooters?