Livers a game-time decision
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We lucked out with Dosunmu. He shredded Penn State last night.
What do you mean lucked out with Dosunmu?
Rutgers led most of the game. Rutgers held IU to less than 29% shooting from the field. It under 15% from 3 pt land. The difference in the game was FT. IU shot over 84% while Rutgers was at 38%. I felt Rutgers gave away the game more than IU took it.
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Illinois didn't have Dosunmu for the game on Saturday... he was a game-time decision but did not play. Considering how good he has against Penn State last night, we got lucky. Maybe we'd have won anyway but he's the heart and soul of their offense.
I thought you were talking about the game at IU. Besides, Rutgers is a different beast at home. They are a runaway freight train. Over time it gets into the heads of both the visitors and home team.
Well i did say Dosunmu wasn't hurt and would definitely play against us and he didn't so I will say Livers is 100% a go for tonight and hope I am wrong again.:cool2:
He's clearly talking about the first game w played Illinois, when they had Dosunmu and we should have won, if we would have been even 50 percent from the charity stripe.
My only thought is that he felt okay enough to go back in, but then the additional stress of the rest of the game led to a lot of swelling the following morning. Sometimes injured joints can tighten up once you're off them for a while. I'd also be surprised if he didn't play - but the "day after" may have been worse than the "night of" for that injury.
At the very least, I'd imagine they limited him in practice to allow it time to heal - which could also work to our advantage with him on the court.
Geo didn't play first game against Illinois and we lost by 3.
Is this a joke? We won by the same amount dosunmu typically averages per game. There is no argument you can give..with dosunmu I doubt we win that game by more than 2 points, if at all.
It's really not logical to say that. Others step up, as was the case when Geo was out, when stars are injured. We just as easily could've beaten them by 15, as we could have lost, had he played.
No, we couldnt have just as easily beat them by 15 with dosunmu. Dosunmu is a legit NBA guy. That's a ridiculous statement and idk how anyone can say it with a straight face. Look at what he did to PSU!
Let's just beat them at full strength and that takes care of everything. Usually in this case somebody else always steps up that wasn't planned. Just have to deal with it.
Go RU.
Go RU.
You gotta get lucky to get to the tournament. Just be glad it was 9th ranked PSU at home and not you lol
Yes, we COULD have, to assume otherwise make zero sense whatsoever. You do realzie we only lost to them by 3 on the road, with Dosunmu, and WITHOUT Geo Baker, right?
Not a joke. Do you think someone else who replaced Dosunmu is going to score at the same rate alongside him in the game? Take for example, McConnell scoring went up with Baker out, but as soon as Baker returned McConnell scoring decrease even though his minutes didn't change all that much. Dosunmu shooting percentage isn't so superior to the guy who replace him, that Dosunmu sudden return means IU scores on an additional 9 or 10 possessions. There are only so many possession in a game.
Besides, my point wasn't about winning by 15. It was about Rutgers being a different team at home and I don't think Dosunmu would have been enough to be a difference-maker. At Illinois, they needed ever point from Dosunmu to win a close game against Rutgers.
The more I see of Dosunmu, I am thinking he might be the best NBA prospect in the conference this year. Maybe Smith from Maryland would be close but I would put both of these guys ahead of Winston from MSU who is also very good. Others like Garza, Otruro, Wesson, Stevens and Cowan would seem to be a notch below.
I disagree..as a penetrator he gives them another dimension. Not saying they would have won but the whole game becomes different. Illinios does not have the depth to make up for his absence.
Id put Garza on the same level. A beat-em-up big that shoots the 3 as well as he does is rare.
Horrible take.
1. He was talking about the away LOSS, in which Dosunmu played
2. Even if we were talking about the win, you are assuming Dosunmu would score his average, and would only score on possessions on which IU came away without points....ie his increased scoring would not have reduced the scoring of anyone else.
He does give them a different look, but even when he was on the court at Illinois, his presence didn't lead to Illinois blowing Rutgers out at their place. I just think Rutgers has more depth and is a slightly better team based on how the teams are built right now.
I think Dosunmu impact is felt more in the PSU game because PSU doesn't place tough defense. Dosunmu's ability to penetrate and distribute the ball to teammates is greater against PSU because PSU allowed it. In the first meeting between RU/IU, Rutgers took Dosunmu's teammates out of the game and it didn't allow Dosunmu to impact the game in his usual way. IU had 7 assists on 18 made FG. The difference in the game was at the FT line. Rutgers put IU there and they cashed in. IU went 16 of 19 while Rutgers was 3 of 8.
Overall, I think Rutgers matches up well against Illinois. Against Rutgers, Dosunmu is not the X factor he is in most games. I may not be a basketball guru, but I understand coaching and it translates to most sports. Attack the weak link and force the strength of the team to overcompensate. Rutgers took away the open shots Dosunmu's teammates have grown accustomed to with him demanding so much attention. IU panicked and started to jack up shots (28%)
Well, first, you can't just add his avg pt total to the Illinois score and say Illinois would have scored that many more points had he played. And you can't just say "look at the PSU game" and assume he plays that way against us. If Harper played every game like he did at Illlinois we might be 25-1 right now. But he doesn't. And we're not.
But to declare there's no way we win by more than 2 is silly.
I actually think he would score more than his average if he played us the other day.
Yeah , but Doug’s point is that it would not have mattered. We were up 20 points with a minute to go until their last 5 garbage points. If he played we probably win by 10 instead. Very few teams if any, would have beaten us on Saturday and definitely with the second half we played. It had more to do about us than who Illinois had playing. By the way , Ayo played at Iowa and at home and. against Maryland and Michigan State at home and they lost all 3. So okay, he is a tremendous player, an NBA talent and probably had his best second half of the entire year against Penn State but doubtful they win against us. If you want to call that being lucky , then I can say Illinois lucked out and beat us without Geo in a much closer game. But I would not say that because we should have won even without Geo that day, and kinda random as to which Geo we get. If it is the last 3 games Geo , then that was a huge loss. Ayo did not kill us at Illinois either., Feliz did.
You people are touched in the head thinking we beat illinois with dosunmu by 10+. Talk about a lack of respect/overall knowledge of cbb..
You are defending a post that the writer made in error. He thought I was talking about the road game, but I was talking about the home game.
And Griffin who covered for Ayo increasing his minutes from an average of under 20 minutes/game to 35 minutes against Rutgers was the leading scorer with 14. Griffin doesn't average double digit points per game.
If Ayo would have played Rutgers on Saturday, we may not have won by 15, however, Rutgers was not losing the game either.
If Ayo would have played Rutgers on Saturday, we may not have won by 15, however, Rutgers was not losing the game either.
I am convinced Livers will start and give it a go, just not sure how effective he will be. It's a right ankle sprain on top of his previous left groin strain and left hip injury. He was still slightly less than full go from those left sided injuries and adding a rolled ankle on the other side will slow him down a little. He did come back in the game for a few minutes but was mostly just jogging and not going full speed.
How effective he can be and how many minutes he can go will significantly influence Michigan's rotation and bench.
How effective he can be and how many minutes he can go will significantly influence Michigan's rotation and bench.
By your logic we would’ve beaten them by 10 AT Illinois with Geo playing SO WHY NOT at home? Your “logic” makes ZERO sense unless it goes both ways!!