Home vs. Road Wins

[RutgersChow]

It should only be about total wins for the tournament. Why is there a difference between a team not winning on the road and another team losing at home. There is no difference. Are the officials cheating to help us at home? Basket is ten feet high at home and away, court is the same length as on the road, three point line is the same. So if we won two games on the road but lost two at home we would be a better team? That is incredibly absurd thinking and totally illogical, but so is beating Colgate on the road a quad one win illogical. It's how many wins you get and who you beat that matters you idiots involved in the rankings. But why would we think the NCAA is smart. Condolezza Rice was ranking teams a few years ago.

 

[Shell21]

I agree . Obviously it’s tougher to win on the road but easier to win at home so if you lose at home shouldn’t you get penalized too ? Shouldn’t it balance out ? Like a road win is good and a home loss is bad . We have no bad road losses (12 points being the biggest margin of defeat ) and don’t have any losses at home which means no bad losses

 

[BillyC80]

Every year most NCAA tournament teams have a few home losses, and they make up for it by stealing a few games on the road. In our case we have nothing to make up for, plus we have one road win so far.

 

[Knight Ed_rivals]

None of the NCAA tourney games will be played at the RAC. Just saying...

 

[Shell21]

Also look at our road opponents . Except for Pitt , All NCAA teams and top 30 net teams . All close road losses too

 

[Doctor Worm]

I think it is reasonable for the committee to consider a team's record away from home, since that is where the tournament games will be played. HOWEVER, that is already factored into the NET rankings! It should not be considered separately, because then it would be double counted

 

[Shell21]

None of the NCAA tourney games will be played at the RAC. Just saying...

They also won’t be played on the other teams home court .

 

[bac2therac]

because its a big ******* deal to win on the road...the selection committee has emphasized this. Its a criteria. If you cannot win a road game perhaps you should not be in the tournament

dont know why people are having an issue with this..the committee wants schools to challenge themselves with their schedule and win in tougher environments

 

[Knight Ed_rivals]

They also won’t be played on the other teams home court .

Every other team has more than 1 road win. Come on now. It matters. Rutgers needs to man up and win on the road.

 

[BillyC80]

because its a big ****ing deal to win on the road...the selection committee has emphasized this. Its a criteria. If you cannot win a road game perhaps you should not be in the tournament

dont know why people are having an issue with this..the committee wants schools to challenge themselves with their schedule and win in tougher environments

This is true, but if we go undefeated at home, with one win on the road, the selection committee will put us in the tournament.

 

[bac2therac]

Its not a charity. RU needs to win a game on the road and sorry beating moribund Nebraska does not do it.

if they just took care of business against a middling Pitt it wouldnt be that big of a deal right now as we could probably just get on in the B10 tourney

That said if RU beats Michigan and Maryland, then the road thing is moot

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

50 different threads, 50 same stale arguments.

Let's put a scenario together for the road game nonsense.

Let's assume RU beat both St Bonaventure and Pitt on the road and won at Nebraska BUT, that means you have to subtract 2 home wins from the equation....

If RU has the same 18-8 record and went 11-0 OOC and sat at 7-8 in the B1G, what would the argument be?? It certainly wouldn't be that RU is a lock for the NCAAs because they had 3 road wins....we all know the argument would be that RU played nobody in the OOC except SHU or maybe SFA, and they have a losing record in conference.....they would be killing RU and Pike for ,"weak scheduling", even though nobody had RU on the radar as a contender to a bid this year on a national scale.

Tell me which home wins are you subtracting from the equation, to get the "precious" road win....can I eliminate beating Top 10 PSU.....?? How about also ran Minnesota?? Do we lose to Purdue, Indiana, Illinois....?? Or do we have losses to Northwestern and Nebraska at home??

The whole road game nonsense is absurd. Watch the games in the Big 12 and who has a larger home court environment than Kansas?? Nobody.....

Why should RU and their program be penalized....?? For winning at home against quality opponents and battling tough on the road vs quality NCAA teams??

So, RU has a revived and excited fanbase, hungry for wins and we make our home court as tough as everyone else, but we get no credit for doing so??

Some of these phantom road wins in other leagues are NOT the same as playing in most of the B1G arenas...outside of NW and Nebraska which no one is getting credit for, every building is tough...is playing at a half empty Oklahoma State arena or 60% filled Stanford gym, really considered a tough environment....??

No way man...I am not trading some random road win against a worse opponent, vs a win at home vs a quality opponent.

 

[bac2therac]

nice try but that is not how it works.

the proper switch is this.....take away with the Wisconsin win at home and replace it with the Illinois win on the road. RU would have the same 17-8 and 9-6 mark but it would actually have another quad 1 win, and you would subract a Q2 win...but that win at Illinois would negate the talk that RU cannot win on the road...eliminating a red flag

you can declare you do not care all you want to but ROAD WINS ARE AN OFFICIAL CRITERIA FOR THE SELECTION COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT

it does not mean that RU isnt going to get in with a 1-11 road mark because there are several scenerios where they can it just that it has made the job harder, RU with a quality road win is probably a lock right now

 

[brucelaw8]

Its not a charity. RU needs to win a game on the road and sorry beating moribund Nebraska does not do it.

if they just took care of business against a middling Pitt it wouldnt be that big of a deal right now as we could probably just get on in the B10 tourney

That said if RU beats Michigan and Maryland, then the road thing is moot

Knocking on door and ready to break on in.Surprised is we fail to do so during the next three.Our motivation will carry the day

 

[bowlgoal]

There’s nothing like going to a road game as a fan and watching your team win. I can only imagine the feeling as a player or a coach? There’s no doubt that it’s hard to win road games. Look at every team that’s come to the RAC. But if you want respect, you have to overcome and win more than 1 road game. I just hope we get another road win this year. We need to have the confidence for the big 10 tournament and for post season.

 

[BlockR]

need to win one more road game (and a B10 tournament game ?)and either Michigan or Maryland at home.
tough road to take.
so two more wins ,ONE being on road.probably gets us in..
want to feel warm and fuzzy? add a B10 tournament game win.

 

[gordel1]

This debate will ultimately be answered if RU just wins 1 more at home vs. Michigan only. The Michigan game is the least significant game on the schedule for that reason. If RU just wins 1 road game or beat Maryland they should be in. However, just beating Michigan at home continues those same questions on selection day should RU go winless after that.

 

[bac2therac]

the win over Michigan is still important though..it is a quad 1 win, it would be our 3rd biggest of the year but yes any road would be bigger, even Purdue

 

[bowlgoal]

This debate will ultimately be answered if RU just wins 1 more at home vs. Michigan only. The Michigan game is the least significant game on the schedule for that reason. If RU just wins 1 road game or beat Maryland they should be in. However, just beating Michigan at home continues those same questions on selection day should RU go winless after that.

Agree but I’d rather have that discussion with a win over Michigan. We are overcoming new hurdles like beating Purdue. A win over Michigan would be another step forward. They have more athletes but anyone can lose at the RAC. We need to play elite defense and force Teske away from the basket. They have a zillion weapons but that kid can kill you and he doesn’t miss free throws. We can’t double up either as they crushed us with pick and roll plays in the Garden. We have to play tight defense and out rebound them. And on offensive, we have to move the ball to find the open shot and not take quick shots with nobody to rebound.

This is a hard game but it’s winnable.

 

[RutgersChow]

It should only be about total wins for the tournament. Why is there a difference between a team not winning on the road and another team losing at home. There is no difference. Are the officials cheating to help us at home? Basket is ten feet high at home and away, court is the same length as on the road, three point line is the same. So if we won two games on the road but lost two at home we would be a better team? That is incredibly absurd thinking and totally illogical, but so is beating Colgate on the road a quad one win illogical. It's how many wins you get and who you beat that matters you idiots involved in the rankings. But why would we think the NCAA is smart. Condolezza Rice was ranking teams a few years ago.

because its a big ****ing deal to win on the road...the selection committee has emphasized this. Its a criteria. If you cannot win a road game perhaps you should not be in the tournament

dont know why people are having an issue with this..the committee wants schools to challenge themselves with their schedule and win in tougher environments

As it should be an equally big ***ing deal when you lose at home. Because the committee emphasizes it doesn't mean it makes any more sense. Again, if its so hard to win on the road, then a loss at home is equally as bad as a road loss. Too much logic here I guess.

 

[bac2therac]

gee then everyone should finish 500..great

 

[RutgersChow]

gee then everyone should finish 500..great

gee then everyone should finish 500..great

Not much of what the NCAA does makes any sense. It's almost laughable to think we would have been better off winning at Colgate than beating Illinois the other night. And how arbitrary is the "wins over top 75 teams on the road" to get credit for a quad 1 win. Why not the top 77 teams or top 63 games. Now we're actually basing a ranking on another ranking. Which came first the chicken or the egg. JMO, but the whole system is a little screwed up.

 

[bac2therac]

first of all your scenerio is bogus, Colgate is not in the top 75 NET...when you come to table with that nonsense, you are not here for a normal discussion

 

[czxqa]

3 road games left. We've already beaten all three at home. Surely we can win one or two.

 

[fluoxetine]

because its a big ****ing deal to win on the road...the selection committee has emphasized this. Its a criteria. If you cannot win a road game perhaps you should not be in the tournament

dont know why people are having an issue with this..the committee wants schools to challenge themselves with their schedule and win in tougher environments

I have an issue with it because it's a dumb ******* metric made up by people who don't particularly understand the proper way to rank teams.

If it's "a big ******* deal" to win on the road then it is an equally "big ******* deal" to lose at home. These are symmetric things and should be treated symmetrically.

Any system where equal performances against the same schedule are treated differently depending on which games you played well in is a stupid ******* system. No amount of "blah blah tough environments blah blah" is ever going to convince me otherwise. Wake me up when the #1 seed gets to play on their home court and then I'll believe these random fluctuations that lead to some teams having bad or good road records are predictive of tournament success.