The Friggin rotations
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Why? We were getting our a** kicked all game. I thing was working. Thank god our best five finally woke up
If you’re gonna title and start a thread like this at least add some context, insight or opinion.
My god you make so many miserable and terrible posts.
My god you make so many miserable and terrible posts.
I’m starting to think that maybe we get Myles out of the starting 5 as he’s prone to early fouls.
Geo needs to be back out there as a starter.
Young is great off the bench as he can score 1 on 1 and on the break. Bring him in with Mulcahy when Geo needs a rest as Paul is not a scorer.
Young and Mathis not on the floor together.
McConnell belongs playing off Geo.
Just a few opinions...
Geo needs to be back out there as a starter.
Young is great off the bench as he can score 1 on 1 and on the break. Bring him in with Mulcahy when Geo needs a rest as Paul is not a scorer.
Young and Mathis not on the floor together.
McConnell belongs playing off Geo.
Just a few opinions...
Easy on the OP he has a point. I mean what does Pike know? He is a career hoops guy... successful D1player and coach, he’s with the players every day, it’s his career AND HE IS GOOD AT IT! So with that said whiny old Lou clearly has better insight and knows more than Pike 0__0
Unfortunately we will see several more posts like this from our coaches in waiting. Lou being just one of them
Unfortunately we will see several more posts like this from our coaches in waiting. Lou being just one of them
Your deadline threads were better.
And to put things in perspective, those threads were horrendous.
And to put things in perspective, those threads were horrendous.
Can't see us starting Geo for Myles. Gotta have a big man in there. I agree Geo showed he is ready to start again, but for who? If Mathis, then he and Young enter together. If he starts Wednesday, I think it is in Caleb's spot. Outside shot of it being Harper. It shouldn't be Yeboah.
McConnell PG
Geo SG
Mathis SF
Harper PF
Carter C
Mulcahy PG
Young SG
Yeboah SF
Johnson C
Any combo of Geo, McConnell, Harper depending upon who’s going well.
We would have anywhere from 3-4 scorers on the floor at any one time.
Ball handling with Geo, McConnell, Mulcahy.
Energy with Young and Mathis.
Size with Carter and Johnson.
Versatility with Harper and Yeboah.
Then we mix and match in the 2nd half based on who is playing well that game and which combos are working.
Geo SG
Mathis SF
Harper PF
Carter C
Mulcahy PG
Young SG
Yeboah SF
Johnson C
Any combo of Geo, McConnell, Harper depending upon who’s going well.
We would have anywhere from 3-4 scorers on the floor at any one time.
Ball handling with Geo, McConnell, Mulcahy.
Energy with Young and Mathis.
Size with Carter and Johnson.
Versatility with Harper and Yeboah.
Then we mix and match in the 2nd half based on who is playing well that game and which combos are working.
I am fine with our starting lineup. May be time to bring Geo back into the fold and Caleb off the bench.
One thing that bugs me is pre set subs. We seem to never ride out the hot hand and kill momentum. If a guy or a group of guys are playing well. Give them an extra few minutes to build on what they started.
One thing that bugs me is pre set subs. We seem to never ride out the hot hand and kill momentum. If a guy or a group of guys are playing well. Give them an extra few minutes to build on what they started.
Caleb and Geo NEED to be on the court at the same time. You heard Bob Wenzel. He said having Caleb running point to free up Geo to create was the difference last night!!
This was my thought. But that probably means Mathis goes to the bench, which I don't like. I am definitely not taking Yeboah out of the starting lineup. I can't see us going small without Myles in the lineup. That means RHJ probably goes to the bench. I have a hard time seeing that happening, but that is probably the right move.
As dumb as this sounds I said the same thing about bringing Myles off the bench. Kind of like how relievers are not starting games for pitchers. Get 2-4 minutes in without a Myles foul!
And why was Myles in the game less than a minute before half? Throw Doucoure out there. Very thankful for the win, but needed to get this off my chest.
And why was Myles in the game less than a minute before half? Throw Doucoure out there. Very thankful for the win, but needed to get this off my chest.
don't forget, Geo is playing with a left thumb that is probably not fully healed. I played a whole season in HS with the same injury and trust me, it hurts every time you receive a pass. gotta have a little faith in the staff regarding his minutes
You have to start Yeboah over Mathis unfortunately now Mathis and Mulcahy minutes get cut in favor of Geo
Rotations are really bad.
Geo/Young/Mulcahy for hugeeeee stretches like wtf?
We get off to slow starts because McConnell and Tez should never play together as the only guards on the floor.
We go to the bench too quick.
We’re not as deep as Pike would like to believe.
Just doing these simple things will get us really far and you saw it at the end of the game last night. Cost us Maryland and Illinois, id say Michigan too.
Pike has done a really good job everywhere else for the most part.
@RUSCFORMERLYRULOU @S_Janowski
Geo/Young/Mulcahy for hugeeeee stretches like wtf?
We get off to slow starts because McConnell and Tez should never play together as the only guards on the floor.
We go to the bench too quick.
We’re not as deep as Pike would like to believe.
Just doing these simple things will get us really far and you saw it at the end of the game last night. Cost us Maryland and Illinois, id say Michigan too.
Pike has done a really good job everywhere else for the most part.
@RUSCFORMERLYRULOU @S_Janowski
A lot of sideline coaches here. I think Pike has done the right thing. Baker has not been contributing until last night. He's been turnover prone and the shots weren't falling. There was no justification for starting Geo. There is now. Pike knows the pulse of this roster and he will make the right choice.
For those saying Myles shouldn't be starting. There is a huge drop off from Johnson to Carter. I don't know why any one here is trying to start out in a hole. Myles has been just about as foul prone as any other big man is.
For those saying Myles shouldn't be starting. There is a huge drop off from Johnson to Carter. I don't know why any one here is trying to start out in a hole. Myles has been just about as foul prone as any other big man is.
Wow.
So basically you are saying we are winning despite the coach?
I mean no coach is perfect and I am all about criticism...but when you say something like they are so so awful.... I don't know man. Seems like you don't have much perspective here.
And to try and help put things in perspective ...if we do manage to make it to the NCAAs for the first time since 1991, I guess if he played his rotations the way you are proposing we would have been a lock several games ago? Or that we would have won every game so far and never have lost?
I mean, can you hear yourself here?
And again, I am all about questioning what the coaches do. But your post suggests that our coach is an absolute moron.
That's how it comes across.
We don't "out talent" teams and we don't "out athletic" teams. We out work everyone. Everyone. And to do that Coach needs to be fluid and aggressive in his rotations. There is not much room for error.
Our rotations are based on the premise that to play the way we need to play to WIN GAMES nine (9) guys are going to have to play 15+ minutes a night. Embrace it. It is why we win. It is how we are still able, 24 games in to the season, to dominate the glass, to be aggressive on defense, etc. etc.
To play this way sometimes you are going to force minutes. But over a 30 game season and certainly thru 24 thus far, the way Coach doles minutes is one of the main factors as to why we are where we are.
Our rotations are based on the premise that to play the way we need to play to WIN GAMES nine (9) guys are going to have to play 15+ minutes a night. Embrace it. It is why we win. It is how we are still able, 24 games in to the season, to dominate the glass, to be aggressive on defense, etc. etc.
To play this way sometimes you are going to force minutes. But over a 30 game season and certainly thru 24 thus far, the way Coach doles minutes is one of the main factors as to why we are where we are.
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I'm far from an expert. The only head-scratcher for me last night was that Montez spent most of the second half on the bench. He's probably been our best player the last 5 games.
I didn’t say anything was “so awful” in my post. I’m saying we’re not as good as we could be offensively because the rotations, especially guards, aren’t complimenting each other’s skill sets.
What’s wrong with saying that?
I am reading all of these different ideas and thoughts......quite frankly I don't like them all.
Myles Johnson --- he has fouled out of 1 game this year. We want to get off to good starts.
Montez Mathis -- you have to get a pulse on the psyche of our players. Montez has to start.
Geo Baker and Caleb -- Geo went off when he became the primary ball handler. For better or worse he is better with the ball in his hands.
When Pike sticks to his normal rotations people complain he needs to play the hot hand. When he deviates people say the opposite.
I am a huge fan of players knowing their roles. I have ZERO problems in the 1st half with a set substitution pattern where Geo Jacob Paul and Shaq know exactly when they are going in games. It is very important with this Rutgers team and the way we play minutes are maxed at certain levels.
Myles Johnson --- he has fouled out of 1 game this year. We want to get off to good starts.
Montez Mathis -- you have to get a pulse on the psyche of our players. Montez has to start.
Geo Baker and Caleb -- Geo went off when he became the primary ball handler. For better or worse he is better with the ball in his hands.
When Pike sticks to his normal rotations people complain he needs to play the hot hand. When he deviates people say the opposite.
I am a huge fan of players knowing their roles. I have ZERO problems in the 1st half with a set substitution pattern where Geo Jacob Paul and Shaq know exactly when they are going in games. It is very important with this Rutgers team and the way we play minutes are maxed at certain levels.
Montez fan here....I think given the opponent and the energy he had he was where he should have been. The only question I had in my mind was whether I would have had him in the game late when it was a defense - offense sitaution. In the end Baker did a fine job on Buie at the end og regulation.
We got wrecked when that last rotation was on LOL
Yea Geo is a ball handler. Lot of his problems over the years have been Pike thinking he needs to play off the ball. He’s said it a bunch of times and it’s blatantly clear he needs the ball. Geo/McConnell was a great fit.
Pike has played Geo as our primary PG since the day Corey left. I think you are wrong here.
Yes he has. I’m saying that after Corey left he has said many times he wanted to get Geo off the ball.
I watch all the pressers and have not heard it. Maybe I missed it.
Until Paul PG has been the one position we have struggled recruiting. Pike clearly prefers size at the PG position and that isn't easy to find. And Paul was never going to be a Day One starter. Geo was the PG last year, this year and more likely than not next year.
Even when Caleb and Geo play together, Geo is primarily on the ball. And I think he has evolved in to a pretty good "lead guard".
It’s a good pairing. To be frank I don’t understand why McConnell is a primary ball handler on this roster. And I don’t understand pairing him with Tez and no other guard.
Because @Greene Rice FIG is correct in his post above. Montez has to start on this team. Has to. So either Caleb or Geo starts at the "1" unless you are sitting Harper (which I wouldn't because he is too important on the glass). Until his injury it was Geo. Since the injury it has been Caleb. I think that decision is spot on.
Next year I think you see a Geo-Tez-McConnell-Harper-Myles starting unit. But I am a long way from having to think about next season.
Agree with the last part.
As far as Tez totally agree.
BUT, we are getting off to slow starts because Pikiell wants to play Geo 30 minutes but off the bench.... clearly he’s healthy. He should be starting. This whole discussion is on pairings and rotations; Geo has been playing...so there is no excuse IMO
Caleb is our third leading scorer since being put back in the starting lineup once Geo was injured. He's also our 3rd leading rebounder in B1G games and 2nd in assists in B1G games.
I thought the contention was about rotations. Geo and Caleb are both going to play 26+ per game. Not sure it matters who starts. The "rotations" aren't changing if Geo starts or Caleb starts. Paul is still coming in with Young and Geo/Caleb at the 5 or 6 minute mark (or so), Carter for Myles at around 7 or 8 (barring foul trouble), Harper back in for Yeboah around 9 or 10 .... the rotation doesn't change whether Geo or Caleb start.
It matters not who starts - but who plays major minutes, who plays at critical moments and who finishes the game .
I think the discussion about the starting 5 is a worthy debate. I am not sure who would be removed if we insert Geo back in. Given that he is a sophomore and has verbalized "being a team player" I'd think Caleb would be the person.......assuming a change at all.
Yes the exactly right. The conversation is about rotations/pairings. The staring lineup is a bad lineup combination. You can’t have McConnell and Tez paired together with no other guard.
It’s about minutes and who plays together within those minutes.
If Geo is paired with McConnnell more, or just not trotted out with Young AND Mulcahy, then that will help.
Keep in mind when Geo plays 30 minutes we are 2-2 in P5 play. When Geo is out or plays less than 30 minutes we are 7-4 in P5 play.
Im not saying just one thing. I’m not saying Geo can’t play 30 minutes (although I think there are alternatives to doing so). I’m saying for sure he can’t play 30 minutes with the lineup combinations Pike uses.