I've been wrong about some things in regards to Pikiell but that is an absolute joke. It's 2020. Recruit or develop a few ******* shooters like every other team in the country.
One player hit a three pointer.
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The fact that the only player who shoots the ball with confidence is the player who was coached by someone else besides Pikiell for four years is not a coincidence.
Last two games, players besides Yeboah are 4 for 33 from three. That's 12.1%. Unacceptable.
3-17 and only one guy...17%. Its inexcusable at this level to not have a guy who can hit them...almost every school has one that you can plug in at times.
and Yeboah didnt get hardly any touches in the 2nd half, 2nd game in a row..inexcusable
And yet, the rest of the team and our coach stop feeding him in the second half. That in itself is disgraceful and shows low BB IQ.
You think Geo or Harper or Caleb or Montez cannot hit a 3 pointer. They just didn’t tonight for various reasons. There was a greater attempt to get good looks from 2 point range or drive( which they did not do enough, looking at you Ron) since we have been jacking up too many threes and until these last 2 games were shooting close to 50% from 2 point range. I did not disagree with the strategy .
The problem is not that we can't make 3-pointers. The problem is that the coach is allowing these kids who clearly can't make any 3-pointers shoot them over and over and over again. Just tell them to stop shooting threes; it's not that hard. Mid-range jumpers only (or pass the ball). If they shoot a three, sit them down for 5 or 6 minutes until they get the message. Otherwise, you're just wasting possessions.
lol, you have to be able to shoot 3s in todays game. What do you think happens when we completely just stop shooting them? Defenses sag off and make it that much harder to get anything going down low
I hate to jump in here but if I watched the same game we all did, I saw a freak-show high 4*, LaMarcus Aldridge type NBA talent in Jalen Smith, knock down 3 3's, as the MD starting Center.
He went 3 for 7 from 3.....1st team All B1G caliber guard, senior Anthony Cowen went 3 for 5 and drew a foul on another attempt late to make 3 FTs.
The rest of Maryland and their all 4 * lineup and top 10-15 nationally ranked program went 5-20 from 3, against a very good defensive gameplan from RU.....which I thought was going to get torched by Maryland, based on the threads here yesterday.
The narrative is not shooters....there has to be an ability to "get buckets"....McConnell went 3-13, but 3 of his makes were tough shots and missed a couple of chippies in the middle of the 2nd half...Harper has to get back to getting post position and working on his 2 point, post moves.
The teams that can establish offense from a 1 on 1 perspective inside the 3 point line, are the teams that can score more consistently, get to the line and control the tempo of the game.
This narrative about 3 point shooting is wrong. Good teams defend the 3 point line and good teams like Maryland, MSU with Plus athletes/height, do well defending the 3.
RU is playing well against very good teams. RU as a team needs Ron Harper to turn into PSUs Lamar Stevens in the next 2 years and become a go to post/baseline player, who has the offensive toolbox to shoot 3s AND get buckets from 8 to 12 foot, in post ups, turnaround jumpers, up and unders....teams are too good to just allow you wide open 3s.
The team is still mostly young and has a good 3 point shooter in Yeboah, who when he was chased off the 3 point line in the last 2 minutes (MD defense was waiting at the 3 point line), went to the fundamentally sound play.....pump fake, dribble to his right hand, allowed the shot block Center to attack him, made a great pass to Myles for a dunk. That's the play you have to make, not expecting 3s...
That Yeboah play is because you have a scorer, who didn't just shoot a 3 and had MD overplaying our team at the 3 point line....you have to execute ALL plays, it can't be just 3s.....MD and the rest of their roster other than Cowen and Smith went 5-20 from 3...which isn't good either. Smith and Cowen beat teams by executing all phases of offense, 3a, off dribble, getting into the lane, making passes etc.
He went 3 for 7 from 3.....1st team All B1G caliber guard, senior Anthony Cowen went 3 for 5 and drew a foul on another attempt late to make 3 FTs.
The rest of Maryland and their all 4 * lineup and top 10-15 nationally ranked program went 5-20 from 3, against a very good defensive gameplan from RU.....which I thought was going to get torched by Maryland, based on the threads here yesterday.
The narrative is not shooters....there has to be an ability to "get buckets"....McConnell went 3-13, but 3 of his makes were tough shots and missed a couple of chippies in the middle of the 2nd half...Harper has to get back to getting post position and working on his 2 point, post moves.
The teams that can establish offense from a 1 on 1 perspective inside the 3 point line, are the teams that can score more consistently, get to the line and control the tempo of the game.
This narrative about 3 point shooting is wrong. Good teams defend the 3 point line and good teams like Maryland, MSU with Plus athletes/height, do well defending the 3.
RU is playing well against very good teams. RU as a team needs Ron Harper to turn into PSUs Lamar Stevens in the next 2 years and become a go to post/baseline player, who has the offensive toolbox to shoot 3s AND get buckets from 8 to 12 foot, in post ups, turnaround jumpers, up and unders....teams are too good to just allow you wide open 3s.
The team is still mostly young and has a good 3 point shooter in Yeboah, who when he was chased off the 3 point line in the last 2 minutes (MD defense was waiting at the 3 point line), went to the fundamentally sound play.....pump fake, dribble to his right hand, allowed the shot block Center to attack him, made a great pass to Myles for a dunk. That's the play you have to make, not expecting 3s...
That Yeboah play is because you have a scorer, who didn't just shoot a 3 and had MD overplaying our team at the 3 point line....you have to execute ALL plays, it can't be just 3s.....MD and the rest of their roster other than Cowen and Smith went 5-20 from 3...which isn't good either. Smith and Cowen beat teams by executing all phases of offense, 3a, off dribble, getting into the lane, making passes etc.
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Really? Because we just lost a close game to a Top 10 team and, if you took away Yeboah, we pissed away 12 possessions by just firing up 3-pointers that were never going to go in the basket.
The game before? If you take away Yeboah's 2 for 3 ... we wasted another 18 possessions and lost a 6 point game.
You know what you really need to be able to do in today's game? Not piss away 1/4 of your possessions.
We get it. Your idea is to not shoot 3 pointers. It's a terrible idea.
When we shoot 3s, we miss and give up long rebounds because were going back to prevent the fast break. If anything we're attempting too many 3s.
Great analysis. Seems like many on here who complain about 3pt shooting, players making bad plays etc don’t really understand reasons why in 1st half of games or in any particular game things go great and then seem to suddenly disappear. It’s called in game adjustments by the other team. Let’s not forget they are playing to win also
Trying to figure out if you actually watch basketball
If your running back is averaging 3 yards per carry you don't stop running the ball because the defense will key in on the passing game. You run it situationally and in the right scheme and try to maximize the value you get from it.
If your pitcher has bad off-speed pitches you don't tell him to stop throwing them entirely, because hitters will just tee off on the fastball if they know it's coming.
Just read a quick blurb about a local HSBB player who now plays at Felician College (frosh), 6'5" guard, 3 point shooter and 1,000 point scorer. Averaged 18 points last week with 9 threes, second time OP of the week. Granted, against non B1G competition, but he is a proven shooter. So there are kids out there who can shoot and have shown this ability in HS. Maybe he wouldn't qualify or wouldn't want to come to RU, don't know. Anyhow the point being that there are guys who can make threes right in our backyard and maybe Pike has to give a little for those exact players he is looking to bring into the program. Other teams find them and not everyone is a 4*.
We lost a big advantage by not being up by 10+ at halftime. They went completely flat prior to the break and gave us 8 possessions, but we pretty much stayed on 25 in that stretch. Regardless of our shot selection, we have to score a few times in those situations. This has become a big problem for us and there were quite a few bad decision plays mixed in too. Have to come up with a solution quickly.
Yes, but is there any evidence that teams are coming out and playing our shooters on the perimeter? Because I'm seeing us miss plenty of wide open 3s ... which suggests these teams are already collapsing down on the interior players because they know we're not going to make any 3s that we happen to shoot anyway.
To fit your analogy ... we're not average 3 yards a carry. We're averaging .5 yard a carry and the defense already has their dime package in. The running game (shooting 3s) does not appear to be keeping the defense honest.
FACT: Taking a shot that is 20-25% likely to go in the basket is never a smart strategy. It just isn't.
Our players can't shoot 3s. Allowing them to shoot 3s is not helping; at all.
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Don't you think part of the problem is the desperation 3 as shot clock runs down? Doesn't that describe like every Geo 3 attempt?
We do not need those 3s.
Are we resting on offense, when we are forced into a half-court set, because we play tough D? Is that why in a half-court set we seem to use the whole play-clock and maybe half the time end up with a 3 by.. whoever happens to be holding the ball last?
I think we need to be running a play sooner.. maybe do away with the weave which seems to taunt our big men to risk moving pick calls.. though that is way down from earlier in the year. What if we run plays to get clear 3s from guys who can shoot it? Wasn't PM a good 3 shooter in HS? We know he can drive and dish a bit.. if we run a play for him and he hits a 3 that means he'll draw a F or SF out to him opening up the middle a bit.. he can drive off the 3 fake and dish to Myles when his man comes to help. Yeboah also of course.
We do not need those 3s.
Are we resting on offense, when we are forced into a half-court set, because we play tough D? Is that why in a half-court set we seem to use the whole play-clock and maybe half the time end up with a 3 by.. whoever happens to be holding the ball last?
I think we need to be running a play sooner.. maybe do away with the weave which seems to taunt our big men to risk moving pick calls.. though that is way down from earlier in the year. What if we run plays to get clear 3s from guys who can shoot it? Wasn't PM a good 3 shooter in HS? We know he can drive and dish a bit.. if we run a play for him and he hits a 3 that means he'll draw a F or SF out to him opening up the middle a bit.. he can drive off the 3 fake and dish to Myles when his man comes to help. Yeboah also of course.
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3 point defense is more luck than skill. Most analytics sites admit such. Wed be horrific at defending 3’s if teams could hit open 3’s which we give up left and right
Anecdotally ... it seems like half the times we set-up on offense in the half-court, Myles comes out and sets a pick and then rolls to the basket. I can't remember one time that we actually passed him the ball on the pick and roll; not once.