30 NET/27 Kenpom/30 BART
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technically none of this matters. At some point we will all die and the world will cease to exist. I don’t come into your threads (which I enjoy) and tell you anything you post is worthless. Please don’t do that in mine
For ncaa purpose kenpom might be listed on sheet but its just not much relevant. Its a ranking where RU has lagged in anyhow so not sure why it matters..ditto for Bart
Not about shitting in your thread just reminding everyone not tuned in what teally matters
Not about shitting in your thread just reminding everyone not tuned in what teally matters
But it is still interesting to some people and that’s the point of updating it.
Yeah, but fans like Wisconsin live by it to justify them being better than Rutgers right now. [roll] Wisky is 24th in Kenpom while Rutgers is 43rd, see.
Disagree. It's predictive based on analytics. May not matter for an NCAA bid, but as more data continues to come in kenpom does as good a job with the datasets as any site. Much better at predicting future results than most other sites.
It's not worthless, it is a data point on how our team's play compares to our upcoming opponents. I was happy we kept tonight at double digits in case any of these rankings use that in their formulas.
I just hope the team stays hungry and continues to play like they haven't earned anything yet.
I just hope the team stays hungry and continues to play like they haven't earned anything yet.
But teams are punished for last year's problems. You have to go 1/2 to 2/3 of a season before the data includes enough current data to judge a team.
That is correct. But now, at the halfway point, the data does start to become "interesting".
If you look at the "conference-only" numbers, Rutgers has the #6 offense and the #5 defense in the B10.
Obviously a small sample size of 3 or 4 games but this cuts out any noise from vast differences in OOC schedules.
We haven't even faced any of the bottom 7 offenses yet (MSU, PSU, Wisconsin, and Nebraska are all top-7).
Obviously a small sample size of 3 or 4 games but this cuts out any noise from vast differences in OOC schedules.
We haven't even faced any of the bottom 7 offenses yet (MSU, PSU, Wisconsin, and Nebraska are all top-7).
Bac...also, for what’s its worth, our rpi is 16!!!
BART has us at a 56.2% probability of being in the NCAA tournament......after the 1st round.
It matters for analyzing your team vs others...just not NCAA.
And Rutgers is better than what people believe. Having coach sports, once you have the players to complete. After that, it comes down to match-ups and coaching (chess match). I don't think people know Coach Pike was a steal from SB. Rutgers keeps the pressure on teams with their defense. People talk about PSU's defense, Iowa's defense, but they don't play for long stretches like Rutgers.
Pitt became a Q1 loss from Q2
SF Austin became Q3 win from Q2
UMass, Nebraska and St Bonaventure getting closer to Q2 territory.
SF Austin became Q3 win from Q2
UMass, Nebraska and St Bonaventure getting closer to Q2 territory.
It matters because it is reported often in recent years, it impacts popular opinion among fans and voters, and is absolutely something the committee is aware of even though it's not the metric they have established like the NET.
its on the sheet but realistically its your quad numbers, your sos, and overall NET plus the eye test. The eye test is that unsaid metric. I have been doing bracketology for years and never once even looked at Kenpom. In general its not like its going to deviate much from the NET rankings, you will always have an exception or two
It's not popular as a guide but someone is setting a Vegas line and it's not based on how much potential could be used to try and balance things with favorites or underdogs.
Right now, RU is "breaking metrics", which is the #1 way that common sense people use to see value or whether a team is at, over or behind where the computers believe things to be.
RU -12 over SFA...won by 12
RU -13.5 over NJIT...won by 27
RU -9 over UMass....won by 25
RU + 2.5 at Pitt.....lost by 11
RU + 14.5 at MSU.....lost by 12
RU PIck vs Wisconsin.....won by 7
RU + 1.5 vs Seton Hall....won by 20
RU -15.5 vs Lafayette.....won by 19
RU -5 @ Nebraska.....won by 19
RU +1.5 vs PSU......won by 11
That's 10 games (excluding the Caldwell game, which boosted the confidence of Young and Mulcahy)....
That's 10 games and 81 total points better than what the computers/Vegas had in place.
It is very easy why some people are struggling to eventually identify RU as a legitimate product....these preseason rankings factored in a 12th place finish and a similar record or worse, because they subtract data on Eugene Omoyuri leaving and had no real way to quantify the sophs and Young/Mulcahy and Yeboah. All of these numbers are "breaking the interwebs".
It is why I was very bullish and uber confident about Eugene not being a factor at all in the next step. There are simply more shots/minutes and rebounds and assists being spread out to make the team better.
My own personal opinion is RU really hasn't played it's A game outside of Seton Hall and parts of UMass and Nebraska had very shaky or unsettling starts.
We are not shooting well from 3 and are getting good looks....
We are still learning as a team, how to adjust, minus Geo Baker.
It may take another 4 to 5 games to have the computers catch up.....and then we hopefully add Geo Baker back, which is another variable of upside.
I am not saying RU is undervalued....there are serious doubters still skeptical from a good amount of our own fans....and obviously reluctant praise from opponents.
But the metrics or numbers are scary....RU has upside from this point forward. 81 point difference vs 10 different opponents is 8PPG better than what Vegas has. 8PPG is a LARGE gap of perception that will change how this program is perceived on a regional or national level, if it continues.....it all adds up to Wins.....
Right now, RU is "breaking metrics", which is the #1 way that common sense people use to see value or whether a team is at, over or behind where the computers believe things to be.
RU -12 over SFA...won by 12
RU -13.5 over NJIT...won by 27
RU -9 over UMass....won by 25
RU + 2.5 at Pitt.....lost by 11
RU + 14.5 at MSU.....lost by 12
RU PIck vs Wisconsin.....won by 7
RU + 1.5 vs Seton Hall....won by 20
RU -15.5 vs Lafayette.....won by 19
RU -5 @ Nebraska.....won by 19
RU +1.5 vs PSU......won by 11
That's 10 games (excluding the Caldwell game, which boosted the confidence of Young and Mulcahy)....
That's 10 games and 81 total points better than what the computers/Vegas had in place.
It is very easy why some people are struggling to eventually identify RU as a legitimate product....these preseason rankings factored in a 12th place finish and a similar record or worse, because they subtract data on Eugene Omoyuri leaving and had no real way to quantify the sophs and Young/Mulcahy and Yeboah. All of these numbers are "breaking the interwebs".
It is why I was very bullish and uber confident about Eugene not being a factor at all in the next step. There are simply more shots/minutes and rebounds and assists being spread out to make the team better.
My own personal opinion is RU really hasn't played it's A game outside of Seton Hall and parts of UMass and Nebraska had very shaky or unsettling starts.
We are not shooting well from 3 and are getting good looks....
We are still learning as a team, how to adjust, minus Geo Baker.
It may take another 4 to 5 games to have the computers catch up.....and then we hopefully add Geo Baker back, which is another variable of upside.
I am not saying RU is undervalued....there are serious doubters still skeptical from a good amount of our own fans....and obviously reluctant praise from opponents.
But the metrics or numbers are scary....RU has upside from this point forward. 81 point difference vs 10 different opponents is 8PPG better than what Vegas has. 8PPG is a LARGE gap of perception that will change how this program is perceived on a regional or national level, if it continues.....it all adds up to Wins.....
Scarlet and White scrimmage to get an extra Q1 game and Q1 win
It helps our front court defense is much better this year than last year, and the defense was better in 2017-18 than last year. We are just on another level for proficiency on offense this year.
2018 (64.8 pts/gm 17th, 136 Blocks, 240 steals, 34 games)
FG 41.4% 42nd, 2pt 47.1% 74th, 3pt 32% 27th
2019 (68.8 pts/gm 105th, 124 Blocks, 201 steals, 31 games)
FG 42.5% 100th, 2pt 47.0% 57th, 3pt 35.3% 237th
5 Doorson(32 Blocks)/Johnson(23 Blocks)
4 Omoruyi/Carter
2020(59.7 pts/gm 16th, 78 Blocks, 110 steals, 15 games)games
FG 37.3% 17th, 2pt 41.8% 13th, 3pt 30.6% 83rd
5 Johnson(25 Blocks)/Carter
4 Harper Jr/Yeboah
RHJ and Geo had 16 Blocks each all last year.
RHJ 13 and Geo 12 thru 15 games.
Carter's move to 5 from 4 is much better, he might give up a few inches and weight but he is quicker and more agile than most 5s. Harper and Yeboah are better defenders at the 4 than Omoruyi ever was, sans the charges. Offense is on another atmosphere...
Offense
2017-18 FG 40.6% 334th, 2pt 44.4% 344th, 3pt 29% 347th
2018-19 FG 41.9% 297th, 2pt 47.2% 298th, 3pt 31.3% 317th
2019-20 FG 47.2% 41st, 2pt 54.8% 38th, 3pt 29.3% 324th
Why the 3s aren't that big a deal is because we are rarely behind big in games that we don't need to take 3s to catch up, and our elite defense keeps us in every game. If we start hitting 3s efficiently, we take that next level to being a top 10 team this year.
2018 (64.8 pts/gm 17th, 136 Blocks, 240 steals, 34 games)
FG 41.4% 42nd, 2pt 47.1% 74th, 3pt 32% 27th
2019 (68.8 pts/gm 105th, 124 Blocks, 201 steals, 31 games)
FG 42.5% 100th, 2pt 47.0% 57th, 3pt 35.3% 237th
5 Doorson(32 Blocks)/Johnson(23 Blocks)
4 Omoruyi/Carter
2020(59.7 pts/gm 16th, 78 Blocks, 110 steals, 15 games)games
FG 37.3% 17th, 2pt 41.8% 13th, 3pt 30.6% 83rd
5 Johnson(25 Blocks)/Carter
4 Harper Jr/Yeboah
RHJ and Geo had 16 Blocks each all last year.
RHJ 13 and Geo 12 thru 15 games.
Carter's move to 5 from 4 is much better, he might give up a few inches and weight but he is quicker and more agile than most 5s. Harper and Yeboah are better defenders at the 4 than Omoruyi ever was, sans the charges. Offense is on another atmosphere...
Offense
2017-18 FG 40.6% 334th, 2pt 44.4% 344th, 3pt 29% 347th
2018-19 FG 41.9% 297th, 2pt 47.2% 298th, 3pt 31.3% 317th
2019-20 FG 47.2% 41st, 2pt 54.8% 38th, 3pt 29.3% 324th
Why the 3s aren't that big a deal is because we are rarely behind big in games that we don't need to take 3s to catch up, and our elite defense keeps us in every game. If we start hitting 3s efficiently, we take that next level to being a top 10 team this year.
Bart shows us with a 12.7% chance of sharing the regular season B1G title. Wow! Also, a 0.1% of getting to 18 conference wins???
Lunardi Friday update: We are a 9 seed in the West region. http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?src=desktop
With some movement and results elsewhere, Kenpom is 31 starting Sunday, which is UP a few spots.
Penn State dropped some after 2 losses to RU and home to Wisconsin
Florida dropped some after a road loss at Missouri.
Illinois winning 2 this week is slightly higher than RU at 27.
Big week for RU, RAC must stay loud these next 2 games. I think the Illinois game, without a good performance from some guards, minus Geo and only losing by 3 (prediction by computers was 5 to 6), strengthened the resume a LOT.
FWIW, a “quality loss” doesn’t matter on the resume. Wins and “bad losses” do, but a close loss has historically not been mentioned by a selection committee (it obviously influences things like Kenpom, but those have nothing to do with NET or the selection committee)