Riveria was gettlemans boy and worked with him and won’t even interview for giants job.
OT: NY Giants Season Thread
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Giants are the example of what many teams have known for about 15 years now. You can have a world class RB at the peak of his career and it means nothing without an effective supporting cast, especially OL. Many teams are finding much more success with a few serviceable backs and spending the money on the lines. Unfortunately Barkley’s career will probably be on the back end once the Giants fix this mess.
Barkley has been a threat to bust a long TD run at any time even with a bad OL. The OL was worse last year and he was a phenom. This year the ankle obviously jacked his game up for weeks, Barkley can catch like a thief too. Guy can make 2000 yards and 12-15 TDs a year
Cowboys have had an elite OL, Zeke is every bit as good as Barkley, and yet they have nothing to show for it.
Barkley is a great player but look at the recent Super Bowl winners (Pats, Eagles, Broncos) — none of them had an elite RB.
Actually Zeke is a much better blocker lol.
I think Zeke is more of a straight ahead runner with excellent long speed and a few nice cuts. Barkley can juke guys out of their socks in the first yard. Barkley is like Eric Dickerson, Barry Sanders, Marcus Dupree genetic experiment. My only concern is I think he'll be injury prone like so many others with maxed-out leg muscles
Exactly. He wasted the #2 overall pick on a guy who is going to spend his peak years getting hit in the backfield three times more often than having a chance to break one. Jets wanted to trade up from 6. They should have made the deal, gotten BPA at 6 and the extra picks to build with. Then 2 more first rounders last year with Jones at 17 not 6 and this would be a different team. Keep the draft picks he wasted on Ogletree and the kid from the Jets. So many stupid choices.
I did read the Giants are his dream job but who knows. I also read other teams want him too. He does have ties to the Giants
I guess the Giant brass were impressed with Gettleman's "fleecing" the Jets out of mediocre free-agent-to-be Leonard Williams in exchange for the 4th pick in both the 3rd and 4th (or 5th) rounds of this upcoming draft. What a bargain.
Maybe he should give the Jets his 1st round pick in exchange for Trumaine Johnson while he's at it. Trumaine sucks almost as bad as Williams.
Maybe he should give the Jets his 1st round pick in exchange for Trumaine Johnson while he's at it. Trumaine sucks almost as bad as Williams.
I thought that the following moves were grounds for dismissal of Gettleman:
1) Signing OBJ and then trading him 6 months later; forcing the Giants to pay him 21 million this year while he played for the Browns.
2) Giving up picks at the top of the 3rd and 5th rounds for the rental of free-agent-to-be Leonard Williams in a lost season. A couple weeks after the trade, Williams said he want Aaron Donald money.
As a comparable, the Rams gave up a 3rd and a 5th to the Jags for a much better Donte Fowler- in the middle of a push for the Super Bowl.
1) Signing OBJ and then trading him 6 months later; forcing the Giants to pay him 21 million this year while he played for the Browns.
2) Giving up picks at the top of the 3rd and 5th rounds for the rental of free-agent-to-be Leonard Williams in a lost season. A couple weeks after the trade, Williams said he want Aaron Donald money.
As a comparable, the Rams gave up a 3rd and a 5th to the Jags for a much better Donte Fowler- in the middle of a push for the Super Bowl.
Problem is that Saquan is going to want QB money after next year. Ask the Rams how that Gurley contract is working out.
That's the prevailing opinion, but I disagree. The Broncos traded down and got their guy Drew Lock at 42 overall. He only played I think 5 games but the Broncos won 4 of them. He also had a higher completion percentage and QBR than Jones this year without the fumbling issues. 2019 was not a strong year for QB, unlike 18 and 20 which both have multiple top notch guys. Denver did it right. Gettleman blew it both years imo.
Not true. All Washington fans I know say they had Jones as their number one guy, not Haskins. If The giants passed on Jones, Jones was going to the 'Skins.
OK. If I was a Giants fan, that wouldn't make me feel better about the pick. :WideSmile:
First player to run for over 1000 yards
His first two seasons.
Why bring back manning if your going to draft Jones 6. That’s the head scratcher. And then there is the Leonard Williams debacle. And OBJ debacle.
Don't listen to the fans. They're wrong.
Redskins:
https://www.12up.com/posts/6358376-...-look-like-a-fool-for-daniel-jones-commentary
Broncos:
https://nypost.com/2019/04/28/gettleman-may-have-been-fooled-by-broncos-daniel-jones-interest/
Just a typical part of the gamesmanship that goes on leading up to the draft, and all three teams got the guy they wanted, only the Giants took theirs way too early.
Maybe his NFL dream job, but the Pedophiles are his college dream job.
Very surprised Gettleman didn't get fired, he hasn't done a good job with the roster.
Very surprised Gettleman didn't get fired, he hasn't done a good job with the roster.
For what it's worth, Phil Simms said this morning that he knows for a fact that there are several teams that would have taken Jones before 17. He won't name the teams because he says he knows they'll simply deny it.
Barkley owns a lot of records already - including braking Dickersons record for most 100 yd games by a rookie (broke Reggie Bush total yards too). I have no doubt Barkley can be an all time great if tem gets better blockers and Barkley stays healthy. He sells shirts and tickets too. I only watched Giants games last year to watch Barkley
https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-...ants-all-time-records--126177397/#126177397_5
Gettleman has more responsibility for the draft than the roster. Looking at the last 2 drafts I see a good, though not great, job.
You bring back Manning because he was under a no cut no trade contract.
Then Manning starts and the kid learns how to receive a ball from center, read defenses and a milion
Other things. He would have learned
Alot playing on the practice squad and
Filling in on games when appropriate
Made no sense to pay a pro 23 million
To sit on the bench. BUT I'll tell ya, Jones had a long way to, he was lucky to be out 2 weeks, could have gotten
Killed. He was out more games than
Manning was in his entire career. Gett. and Shurmur could have done better.
yep, agreed. I love Saquon, but he can not deliver the one or two yards up the gut on 4th and 1 like Elliot can.
I think that will come in the next year or two when he realizes how to use the power he has...rather then relying on dancing and waiting patiently for a hole to open for him.
I think the OL Elliott was running behind compared to the one Barkley ran behind had something to do with it.
SIAP -- I noted that the center snap was low (about knee high) all game long. I wasn't surprised that Jones couldn't handle a snap.
How many times did I see Barkley stopped behind LOS because defenders just blew through Giant OL? We were lucky there weren't more fumbles. Barkley can have a little dancing Ron Dayne in him, but there were times in short yardage where everybody knew Barkley was coming up the middle, and they were all stacked over center, and the QB never audibled away from the dive. You have an OL that gets pushed back and a defense that clogs the middle because everybody knew what was coming