I obviously don’t know 100%, but at the time he was viewed as a top 10 player in football and was in the midst of his behaving. It was clear to many the team needed to rebuild, complete flop by Gettleman.
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He still had his history. And no deal that got Dexter Lawrence is a complete flop.
Vernon for Zeitler didn't turn out so bad as well.
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Yep, just like Duron Harmon wasn't worthy of a 3rd round selection because the analysis said he was a 7th round pick at best. Think he's proved that wrong many times over now.
But you know the so called draft experts know better than the people making the decisions for these NFL teams. Always funny how fans stick to what they say when they are wrong so often.
I think sometimes the TV analysts are correct, and certainly NFL teams make mistakes.
But this is a situation where it looks like the TV analysts were wrong. Jones has old school prototype size, new age mobility, and a strong and accurate arm. Not to mention the smarts which comes along with playing at Duke. I think he was the victim of being on a bad team, certainly one that lacked in skill position talent.
I was certainly one who bought into the stats argument. The 29 int. was quite concerning for me. I even poo pooed the 6th pick as way too high for him. But I must say and even said so on this site, as the season wore on he won me over.
Now he hasn't fully justified that #6 pick just yet, but hitting on 62% for 23 TD's and 11 int. is one hell of a rookie year. Especially when you consider, all this without a true #1 receiver and a starting TE who thinks the training room is his 2nd home.
The splits are even more promising, I think it's an 18-5 td-int since New England.
He had two outstanding games ... against the redskins. He beat the buccaneers as well. We probably won’t know until he has a serviceable team around him. He reminds everyone a lot of Eli, who was never a top 5 qb in the league and had great defenses around him. I’m a giants fan, but an objective one, and eli is borderline HOF and probably not a HOF without a three miracle catch and a wes walker drop. Elis run through post season on the road was amazing but his regular season play left a lot to be desired.
His demeanor is similar to Eli's, but he's a much different QB.
So I don't see what Eli has to do with this, but I do love the "objective" Giants fans who downplay their superbowl wins as well as Eli's career.
The Giant teams that won the SBs were never dominant teams. They were 10-6 and 9-7. Both times they were wildcards. Eli's strength (and a Giants strength) was being good when 'it counted most. Eli is 13th for 4th quarter comebacks - more than Montana. Eli's best pass was always his long ball. When he had Plaxico he had his best days. Giants never had many elite WRs and a good OL at same time. Eli was on a lot of bad teams and was forced to throw short passes that he was bad at. After the 2012 SB Eli was considered among the top clutch QBs. On a good team in a playoff game Eli was among the elites. During the season he could throw a lot of bad passes for whatever reason
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...the-most-clutch-quarterback-since-joe-montana
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Drafting a borderline HOF QB who may not have been top 5 (although there are few years where I would dispute that) but was top 10 for at least a decade at #6 is not exactly a wasted pick.
ESPN actually did a good piece on this, highlighting gettleman’s failures
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-...pat-shurmur-gm-dave-gettleman-on-shaky-ground
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-...pat-shurmur-gm-dave-gettleman-on-shaky-ground
I think some of those are disputable, keeping Eli around for instance, which I think came from ownership. I mean is the writer unfamiliar with what happened in 2017?
But there are certainly moves that Gettleman has made that I am not about to try and defend.
Still with all the experience the young players got this season, plus all the cap $$ coming off the books, I think the Giants are in good shape going into next year.
I don’t understand the premise that Shurmur keeps his job because he helped develop the rookie franchise QB this season. Get rid of Shurmur, get an even better HC, and see Jones develop that much more. Also some other rookies played well this season - let’s see if their growth accelerates under a new HC also. Shurmur is not a winning HC never will be - cut your losses and move on (sound familiar?)
I heard a beat writer on the FAN say that the firing of Schurmer is all but official. Said it will be announced after the game
Gettleman I don't know about. I cant say he's done a bad job with draft. Bringing Eli back was a question but owner might have pushed that. Only real off thing is the trade with Jets, but I'm not privy to what Gettleman was thinking. I dont assume hes a fool
Yes Gettleman was hired first, and was part of Shurmur hire. It all happened in mid to late January, and who knows who was available at that time, and if Shurmur was a first choice. There was no Jones or Barkley yet but there were headcases all over.
Gettleman said he liked Shurmur because he was "an adult" and he was thinking of stabilizing the team in the locker-room as much on the field. Looking back, getting rid of Beckham and some others was a good thing. I liked Collins but Peppers was a good move sideways.
I think NYG must look like a better job now than it did 2 years ago
Typical at Metlife this season for both the Jets and Giants
Hordes of opposing fans.
Dallas, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Minnesota, etc, now Philly
Giants fire Pat Shurmur after just two seasons, but GM Dave Gettleman to stay
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-pat-shurmur-fired-dave-gettleman-20191230-pqtzjnvbqresblfwjfgi7ip7dm-story.html#nt=oft-Double Chain~Flex Feature~top-version1~giants-916a~~1~yes-art~curated~curatedpage
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-pat-shurmur-fired-dave-gettleman-20191230-pqtzjnvbqresblfwjfgi7ip7dm-story.html#nt=oft-Double Chain~Flex Feature~top-version1~giants-916a~~1~yes-art~curated~curatedpage
Maybe get ready for Gettlechick lol?
Bill Belichick to Giants scenario would make a lot of sense
https://nypost.com/2019/12/29/fascinating-bill-belichick-to-giants-scenario-would-make-sense/
The odds are right up there with my chances of winning Mega Millions. Belichick turns 68 next year, not exactly the age you take on a rebuilding project.
Put a gun to my head, get rid of Dave Gettleman as well. Yes he got rid of the players who were needed to be be gone. And yes he did get Barkley, Jones, and the no name receivers and tight ends who have done better than the top picks. But he did get Matt Solder and was the genius who got rid of two picks for a departing Leonard William's, who didnt do a thing in blue.
Now if the Giants hire Jason Garrett, I'm done. Gettleman is the reason why Ron Rivera and Matt Rhule are not interested in the Giants. So of course Gettleman would get the ultimate puppet in Garrett.
Solder sucks but to be fair good OL dont usually show-up in free agency, and Solder was supposed to be one of the best one that year. Not many teams needy OL were going to pass on Tom Brady's left tackle. Nobodt will draft and sign FAs with 100% success. One good player people forget about is the LB Gettlman drafted from Wisconsin - who was great until he got hurt. Leonard Williams was a head scratcher but Giants have actually been among NFL best vs the run. They just have no pass rushers. I think Gettleman could be one of the guys who likes AJ Epenesa more than Young, and I would be happy with that. AJ flashes in big games despite being doubled. Chase Young has been invisible in some big games
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I agree. Gettleman needs to go. I am so tired of watching Saquan play after play run into a brick wall. This team is short on talent in lots of areas....and that's on the GM.
I also agree on Garrett. It's gonna be tough to root for the G-men with him running the team.
BTW, was yesterday the first time NJ's fat ex-governor was rooting for the Giants ? Sad.
I'd be happy with the Front 3 DL(+substitutes) currently on the team if Williams can be signed for a sane contract. They weren't the problem. The Back 8 is where the help is needed, though I suspect the DBs will be better just on the basis of rookies going through a learning curve. Edge rusher is the top priority.
They fire shurmur and keep gettleman. What coach will want to work with gettleman knowing a new GM is likely soon. . What a mess.
the giants needed a total house cleaning. The team has no direction. Gettleman has been awful.
One guy who has nailed this has been mike francessa. Once shurmur left calling into his show it was the kiss of death.
the giants needed a total house cleaning. The team has no direction. Gettleman has been awful.
One guy who has nailed this has been mike francessa. Once shurmur left calling into his show it was the kiss of death.
Can't say there's no direction at all.
Giants got their franchise QB by avoiding the groupthink (Haskins). They got "generational" RB passing on a QB everyone wanted but so far seems as good as Jones but misses more games. The OL was awful but has gotten somewhat better. Head cases were cleared-out (not easy when so many wanted to keep Jr). Other draft positions have gone ok. Last years draft will end-up being one of the best in years. Gettleman was central to all that. I cant give Gettleman a bad grade compared to Reese, who let a lot of good lineman go and flopped in draft aside from a few lucky hits (Like JR - who was his second choice).
Francessa had a personal vendetta with Gettleman after he ditched his interviews. Too often the WFAN crew expects team staff to come on shows and take beatings while throwing other team members and staff under the bus. Adams situation was the same. Sure you can ask hard questions but they can be the NY Sports Inquisition when inclined (and nothing else to talk about with so many poor teams)
Giants got their franchise QB by avoiding the groupthink (Haskins). They got "generational" RB passing on a QB everyone wanted but so far seems as good as Jones but misses more games. The OL was awful but has gotten somewhat better. Head cases were cleared-out (not easy when so many wanted to keep Jr). Other draft positions have gone ok. Last years draft will end-up being one of the best in years. Gettleman was central to all that. I cant give Gettleman a bad grade compared to Reese, who let a lot of good lineman go and flopped in draft aside from a few lucky hits (Like JR - who was his second choice).
Francessa had a personal vendetta with Gettleman after he ditched his interviews. Too often the WFAN crew expects team staff to come on shows and take beatings while throwing other team members and staff under the bus. Adams situation was the same. Sure you can ask hard questions but they can be the NY Sports Inquisition when inclined (and nothing else to talk about with so many poor teams)