Reading this thread, I just think back to when teams like SMU and Memphis were terrible.
If they can get themselves winning seasons, we can too.
If they can get themselves winning seasons, we can too.
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Teams like smoo and Memphis don’t play PSU MSU OSU UM and the rest of the B1G
in our place they’d suck too
IU does and they’re 7-2 this year and have made a bowl 3 out of the last 5 years and the two years they missed out had 5 wins. It can be done.
Have to think they would be doing a lot better against the lesser teams that have already beaten us up.
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does not change the fact that smoo and Memphis would also suck in our league...right now RU is just a bad example to argue with...our theoretical ceiling is higher (again in theory)
Norvell (or anyone like him) and his family have to have an affinity for living in the northeast.. near NYC/Ocean, etc. There is a lot to offer here.. with some headaches.. but it takes the right people to want it. Otherwise, he'd look only at football programs.
According to winsipedia, there are only 42 teams claiming national championships (and, no, we're not one of them.. and UCF is) and 30 that claim more than one.. and that has to include the split championships and as mentioned earlier UCF's undefeated season.
If a coach is truly interested in winning a national championship, I'd think he'd be interested in a school that has won them.. and recently.. or at least played for a few of them.
From 1992 Bowl Alliance/BCS championships until the playoffs started.. these are the teams who have played for a "championship"
1992-1997 (number is number of NC games played in, otherwise it is 1)
Alabama
Miami 2
Florida State 2
Nebraska 4
Florida 2
Tennessee
1998-2013 BCS
Tennessee
Florida State 4
Virginia Tech
Oklahoma 4
Miami
Nebraska 2
Ohio State 3
LSU 3
USC 2
Texas 2
Florida 2
Alabama 3
Auburn 2
Oregon
Notre Dame
2014-2018 Playoffs NC game
Ohio State
Oregon
Alabama 4
Clemson 3
Georgia
Now 2014-2018 should probably be a list of teams that made the playoffs because each of those teams actually has a chance to win a national championship game
2014-2018 all playoff teams
Oregon
Florida State
Ohio State 2
Alabama 5 **every playoffs has seen Alabama
Clemson 4
Oklahoma 3
Michigan State
Washington
Georgia
Notre Dame
So.. if we total these up.. since 1992, these teams have played for a national championship
Alabama 9
Oklahoma 7
Florida State 7
Nebraska 6
Ohio State 5
Florida 4
Clemson 4
Miami 3
LSU 3
Tennessee 2
USC 2
Texas 2
Auburn 2
Oregon 2
Notre Dame 2
Virginia Tech 1
Michigan State 1
Washington 1
Georgia 1
That's 19 teams and the number of times they played in an NC game or NC playoff game.
So, if you are a coach looking for a job with a legitimate shot at an NC game and look to where its been done before.. that is your list. Sure some teams with one come down to chance.. and one can question whether they had a legit shot to win a NC... and other prgrams could be their equals with perhaps a better chance..
I would think anyone with 2 legit shots at a NC game have that to sell to potential candidates.. that's 15 teams. And one could argue that Nebraska and Tennessee aren't the jobs they once were. Maybe even USC and Oregon. And if Notre Dame had not squeezed intot eh playoffs last season I could have included them as the worst jobs in that list of 15.
and once you look at teams that have been there 3 times or more.. you are down to 9 teams. 9 jobs.. and one could argue that Miami and maybe Florida State do not belong anymore.
What we need is a coach who is not afraid of coaching teams not on these lists. There's about 100 coaches out there doing that right now. And, like the coach at Washington and Michigan State.. we need a coach to get us onto that list.. then once there, you have to do it again. Do it twice and you are a legit hot program and destination school that can sell playing for national championships.
And GS had us close in 2006.. I personally think that even if undefeated, the powers that be would have screwed us. But on paper.. we were close. We were in the conversation even to mid-November.
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He would if the money was right. No matter how much a coach says they love a school they love money more. He can certainly be selective but he also can't wait too long or the opportunity will pass him by. Ask Phillip Montgomery at Tulsa. That dude could have jumped ship a few years ago when he was the hot name but now...
His recruiting area was different when he was at Arizona State. He was mainly west coast. When he came to Memphis he adjusted to the recruiting area here. He went from recruiting in the west to recruiting the deep south and Texas.
When he came to Memphis he visited every high school in a 2-3 hour radius of Memphis within 2 weeks of his hiring. He had a face to face meeting with every high school head coach in that radius. I had multiple high school coaches tell me after that it was that meeting that sealed the relationship. It only took 1 visit.
Jersey is different but I feel he'd adjust easily because I saw him do it at Memphis. He would need to bring on someone with Jersey connections.
Yeah I think he knows what it takes, but would be more ideal if he has recruited this area or FL. Kids from the south do not want to come here (except FL), so all those connections would be wasted. He’s also a southern boy, so not the ideal fit. Still think Schiano is the safer bet, but Norvell is definitely up there with Butch.
I agree. Schiano is still my top choice with Norvell a close 2nd. Honestly, I just want RU to start winning again :Laughing