OT: Monmouth

[OTBOTOR]

Any of you follow Monmouth?

They’re having a good year and are in what looks like a 2-3 way race for their conference championship. They have a big game vs Kennesaw State this weekend.

Looking at the resumes and outcomes so far this season, the two teams look closer than I think most of the FCS writers and podcasters are suggesting. And the current line on the game is KSU -13. That just feels wrong to me. I think it will be a close game and Monmouth has a good chance to win.

I don’t follow Monmouth or the Big South that closely, so am I missing something here? How good are they this season? How do you like their chances for a playoff appearance, either as the AQ or an at large spot?

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

 

[R1776U]

here and there.. i lived like 7-10 mins from campus in ocean sooo... but they are the best Div1 team in Jersey right now for sure... so next year is gonna be fun for me! for me it doesn't matter who wins.. i'll be having a great party out on the deck either way with fireworks(not the crappy **** ya get in jersey) and everything.. just wish it would be a night game so i can hang white cloth and use my projector for a MASSIVE screen

 

[Abro1975]

here and there.. i lived like 7-10 mins from campus in ocean sooo... but they are the best Div1 team in Jersey right now for sure... so next year is gonna be fun for me! for me it doesn't matter who wins.. i'll be having a great party out on the deck either way with fireworks(not the crappy **** ya get in jersey) and everything.. just wish it would be a night game so i can hang white cloth and use my projector for a MASSIVE screen

Princeton is undefeated and the best of the D1 FCS schools in NJ. They beat Monmouth by 40 last season. RU would still beat both IMO.

 

[superfan01]

Princeton is undefeated and the best of the D1 FCS schools in NJ. They beat Monmouth by 40 last season. RU would still beat both IMO.

I think we would be dogs vs Princeton this year.

 

[sherrane]

Princeton is undefeated and the best of the D1 FCS schools in NJ. They beat Monmouth by 40 last season. RU would still beat both IMO.

Why do so many people fall into this trap? There are games where FCS opponents beat FBS opponents, but "that is why they play the game". Play the game 10 times and the FCS team may win once, twice, or not at all. People were saying Liberty should beat RU, which was nonsense because Liberty is still an FCS team. Appalachian State was a better FCS program than Liberty. App State came up to FBS beginning in the 2014 season and they got their first win against a P5 team since coming up to FBS this season against North Carolina.

 

[RUBigFrank]

These are silly statements - the talent level between 1A and 1AA is immense - more so for the Ivies. Look at perception and reality when RU beat Liberty. Granted the RU team most of the year is unmotivated.

 

[APKnight]

Liberty is FBS, not FCS.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Liberty was kicking all kinds of *** and they made us who couldn't even pass for more than 1 yard, look really good on offense. Just like even the worse NFL could beat the best CFB team even the worse FBS team can beat most FCS teams (I say most because they are a few elite FCS teams)

 

[RUPsyched]

Living in Georgia, I follow Kennesaw State a little bit. If you are a college in Georgia not named University of Georgia and now Georgia Tech, you are going to run the triple option. KSU's football program is only 5 years old. What HC Brian Bohannon has done in that short time is amazing....except that his teams are often in the running for the Fulmer Cup.

KSU itself is a large state university with over 35K students. It really has no business being in the Big South, a conference made up of mostly much smaller private colleges like Monmouth. But they needed a football parking space and the Big South was amenable. They should either play in the SOCON or better yet, the Sunbelt where they can join the GStateU/GSouthernU rivalry.

KSU will win and it probably will not be close.

 

[knightfan7]

Big South has been watered down with the loss of Liberty and Coastal Carolina when the schools moved up to FBS. Coastal did beat Kansas this year.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

As rough as things are right now, Princeton and Monmouth would be wins for us.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

Give me a break. We would have the same game plan against Princeton and Monmouth and they would be unable to stop the QB sneak. The size difference between the lines are too big. I actually think Liberty can beat both schools.

 

[rufancoe00]

RU vs. Monmouth yes, vs. Princeton not sure... they are a top 10 FCS team the past two years and would probably give us a good game... alas we will never know

 

[RUSK97]

These are silly statements - the talent level between 1A and 1AA is immense - more so for the Ivies. Look at perception and reality when RU beat Liberty. Granted the RU team most of the year is unmotivated.

Makes no sense. Are you saying Ivy teams can't be better than the average FCS team? Did Princeton not beat the tar out of Monmouth last year to the tune of 51-9?

 

[OTBOTOR]

There are FCS teams that would be favored vs Rutgers. I guess the question here is are Princeton or Monmouth among those teams.

Back to Monmouth and their schedule this season, the top three teams in the Big South all play each other the next few weeks. Should be fun to watch. One will get the AQ, but we have to see if the Big South is strong enough to get two teams into the playoff. I think if KSU wins out, they get the AQ and that’s it. If Monmouth or Campbell get the AQ I could see KSU getting an at large.

In FCS, there’s a group of “P3” conferences (Missouri Valley, Colonial, and Big Sky) that will take most of the at large spots. The Big Sky is especially impressive this year, IMO. They’ll get 4-5 teams in. The MV will get 5 teams in. The CAA might be light this year. The teams are cannibalizing each other and we may only see 3 get in. So who knows.

 

[REDRICH65]

Princeton would outsmart us and we would outsmart Monmouth.

 

[knightfan7]

Give me a break. We would have the same game plan against Princeton and Monmouth and they would be unable to stop the QB sneak. The size difference between the lines are too big. I actually think Liberty can beat both schools.

Liberty was a top 1 or 2 school in the Big South before leaving a couple years ago. With the additional scholarships and better recruiting I have no doubt they'd beat both.

I'm interested in the Liberty - UMass matchup Saturday. I'm thinking 54-28 Liberty.

 

[koleszar]

here and there.. i lived like 7-10 mins from campus in ocean sooo... but they are the best Div1 team in Jersey right now for sure... so next year is gonna be fun for me! for me it doesn't matter who wins.. i'll be having a great party out on the deck either way with fireworks(not the crappy **** ya get in jersey) and everything.. just wish it would be a night game so i can hang white cloth and use my projector for a MASSIVE screen

Put down the crack pipe. Yes we suck, but that's P5 suck, not FCS suck. Here's all you need to know about P5 vs FCS. Ron'Dell Carter couldn't hack it at RU and was buried on the depth chart, a school which is void of defensive lineman. At JMU a damn fine FCS football school, he's having a huge impact.

 

[sherrane]

Liberty is FBS, not FCS.

If this was a response to my post, they are FBS in name only. This is their second year and they still have FCS-level talent. When a school moves up from Division II to Division I, their transition period is four years. The move from FCS to FBS is a two year transition period.

 

[sherrane]

Living in Georgia, I follow Kennesaw State a little bit. If you are a college in Georgia not named University of Georgia and now Georgia Tech, you are going to run the triple option. KSU's football program is only 5 years old. What HC Brian Bohannon has done in that short time is amazing....except that his teams are often in the running for the Fulmer Cup.

KSU itself is a large state university with over 35K students. It really has no business being in the Big South, a conference made up of mostly much smaller private colleges like Monmouth. But they needed a football parking space and the Big South was amenable. They should either play in the SOCON or better yet, the Sunbelt where they can join the GStateU/GSouthernU rivalry.

KSU will win and it probably will not be close.

Georgia State does not run the triple option either. This is a discussion of the offense when it was being implemented last season.

 

[R1776U]

Put down the crack pipe. Yes we suck, but that's P5 suck, not FCS suck. Here's all you need to know about P5 vs FCS. Ron'Dell Carter couldn't hack it at RU and was buried on the depth chart, a school which is void of defensive lineman. At JMU a damn fine FCS football school, he's having a huge impact.

i'll keep smoking my crack pipe... i like RU and Monmouth.. i've wanted to see them play eachother for years now... and IT'S HAPPENING!!!!! and i still think they would kick RU in the keester this year.. unfortunately there is no way to prove either way, this year.... muahahahahahahahaha

 

[LetsGoRUwrestling]

These are silly statements - the talent level between 1A and 1AA is immense - more so for the Ivies. Look at perception and reality when RU beat Liberty. Granted the RU team most of the year is unmotivated.

Immense?...thats just silly! Do you follow North Dakota State or follow the top teams in 1AA..These guys are playing on full scholarships and are good players..If your talking Howard or Norfolk State then yes theres a pretty big difference but Rutgers would be a .500 team lately if they played in the CAA. Big difference is 1AA only has 65 Scholarships so there is a difference in depth. Delaware is having a down year and are 2-2 currently in CAA but Pitt needed to rally to beat them on a late field goal at Heinz Field. The talent level between the top 40 teams in 1AA and the bottom half of 1A programs are pretty close.

 

[jsol_05]

Put down the crack pipe. Yes we suck, but that's P5 suck, not FCS suck. Here's all you need to know about P5 vs FCS. Ron'Dell Carter couldn't hack it at RU and was buried on the depth chart, a school which is void of defensive lineman. At JMU a damn fine FCS football school, he's having a huge impact.

What is crazy is we are in the Big Ten and having this conversation, sad.

 

[shields]

Pacheco would run for like 170 yards versus Princeton.

 

[goru1869]

Pacheco would run for like 170 yards versus Princeton.

Not likely !

 

[tomatocan]

here and there.. i lived like 7-10 mins from campus in ocean sooo... but they are the best Div1 team in Jersey right now for sure... so next year is gonna be fun for me! for me it doesn't matter who wins.. i'll be having a great party out on the deck either way with fireworks(not the crappy **** ya get in jersey) and everything.. just wish it would be a night game so i can hang white cloth and use my projector for a MASSIVE screen

Wow, this kind of talk reminds me of someone with orange hair. Massive, bigly, etc.

 

[R1776U]

Wow, this kind of talk reminds me of someone with orange hair. Massive, bigly, etc.

and how does my post even relate to the president?... i literally am gonna have fun for that game.. is that wrong? should i not have fun with a football game? should i root for one team only when i like both teams? explain what i'm doing wrong?

 

[shields]

Pacheco had 156 yards vs UMASS, yeah he could go for 170 yards.

 

[sherrane]

Immense?...thats just silly! Do you follow North Dakota State or follow the top teams in 1AA..These guys are playing on full scholarships and are good players..If your talking Howard or Norfolk State then yes theres a pretty big difference but Rutgers would be a .500 team lately if they played in the CAA. Big difference is 1AA only has 65 Scholarships so there is a difference in depth. Delaware is having a down year and are 2-2 currently in CAA but Pitt needed to rally to beat them on a late field goal at Heinz Field. The talent level between the top 40 teams in 1AA and the bottom half of 1A programs are pretty close.

Rutgers would be .500 playing in the CAA? Who, other than James Madison, could beat RU? Or are you saying that UMass and Liberty are almost as good as William & Mary and Rhode Island? Honestly, if you believe what you wrote here, you better advocate for SMU or Appalachian State to make the playoffs if they go undefeated this season. Or are they a second place team in the CAA?

 

[gef21]

I think we would be dogs vs Princeton this year.

Maybe but we would dominate them up front.

 

[OTBOTOR]

Rutgers would be .500 playing in the CAA? Who, other than James Madison, could beat RU? Or are you saying that UMass and Liberty are almost as good as William & Mary and Rhode Island? Honestly, if you believe what you wrote here, you better advocate for SMU or Appalachian State to make the playoffs if they go undefeated this season. Or are they a second place team in the CAA?

TBH, Rutgers could beat or lose to almost any team in the CAA this year. JMU is the far and away leader, but most of the other teams are “good” enough to beat each other up. It’s a fun mess trying to figure out who’s a playoff team and who’s just a spoiler.

I think in the Ash/Campanile Era, all of the top 5-7 FCS beat Rutgers by multiple scores. The next 10 or 15 would be favored but could lose to RU, and then RU beats the rest. Versus Simulator doesn’t like RU’s chances as much as I do, though. They have Rutgers beating Monmouth by 1 point at SHI.

 

[LetsGoRUwrestling]

Rutgers would be .500 playing in the CAA? Who, other than James Madison, could beat RU? Or are you saying that UMass and Liberty are almost as good as William & Mary and Rhode Island? Honestly, if you believe what you wrote here, you better advocate for SMU or Appalachian State to make the playoffs if they go undefeated this season. Or are they a second place team in the CAA?

So you don't think Delaware/Villanova/Richmond/New Hampshire would have no shot at beating Rutgers the last couple seasons? Rutgers would be lucky to win 5 games with ASH coaching in CAA.

 

[sherrane]

TBH, Rutgers could beat or lose to almost any team in the CAA this year. JMU is the far and away leader, but most of the other teams are “good” enough to beat each other up. It’s a fun mess trying to figure out who’s a playoff team and who’s just a spoiler.

I think in the Ash/Campanile Era, all of the top 5-7 FCS beat Rutgers by multiple scores. The next 10 or 15 would be favored but could lose to RU, and then RU beats the rest. Versus Simulator doesn’t like RU’s chances as much as I do, though. They have Rutgers beating Monmouth by 1 point at SHI.

UMass was a middling CAA team in their final two seasons and then was a 1-11 team in each of their first two seasons in the MAC. You are grossly overestimating how close the FCS and FBS are. Times are different now, though. When UMass was FCS some borderline FBS players would transfer down so they could play immediately and they'd usually start and be one of the best players on the team. Now they transfer to another FBS team and play immediately after the NCAA grants their hardship waiver. The difference between the two subdivisions is increasing. If Rutgers rehires Ash and drops to FCS next season they would make the playoffs and advance at least one round and probably two.

 

[OTBOTOR]

And yet UMass lost to an unranked FCS by 25 points this season (Rutgers beat 'em by 27).

Some FCS wins over FBS are flukes. Quite a few are not. There are very good FCS teams you can count on beating some of their FBS opponents, sometimes by multiple scores. Rutgers being the worst P5 team in the country, I think there are at least a handful of FCS schools that you could count on beating RU, and at least a handful more that would be tossup games, like I said in my earlier post.

I agree the transfer issue isn’t going to help FCS going forward.

We've been spoiled seeing really BAD FCS teams come to Piscataway for the past dozen or more years. Our next opportunity to gauge is in 2021 vs Delaware. I expect RU will be much improved and Delaware hasn't been very good in recent years. So hopefully this won't even be a question by then.

 

[gogs7]

Immense?...thats just silly! Do you follow North Dakota State or follow the top teams in 1AA..These guys are playing on full scholarships and are good players.

North Dakota State actually offers 63 scholarships whereas Rutgers has 85 to hand out. Nevertheless, they'd without question spank us -- just ask the last 5 FBS teams they've faced including Minnie and Iowa (no FBS games this year as they failed to find one dumb enuff to play them). How they're do this year in and year out is a great mystery but I'd love to catch some of their lightening in a bottle. And its worth noting that last year's NDSU coach Klieman is now at Kansas State and has 'em ranked after spanking No.2 Oklahoma.

 

[OTBOTOR]

Didn’t see this coming. Monmouth whoopin KSU 45-14 early in the 4th Q.

 

[WhiteBus]

Pacheco would run for like 170 yards versus Princeton.

No he wouldn't. I was at a game earlier this season. The difference in size and speed isn't as big as you think. Without a doubt Princeton is better

 

[shields]

Yes he would.

 

[APKnight]

Won big vs a good Kennesaw State team yesterday. Opening game 2020 could be competitive.