Pat Hobbs Absurd Contract

[Ru-baby]

As I recall, you’re a Hobbs man

Dyed in the wool one from the postings.

So to put this in perspective, Hobbs' fundraising and getting projects that were stalled off the ground have been real positive work on his part. He has done much good and is to be extolled for various successes. Football has been another story however that has been well documented. He should not be on any hot seat however unless this fball search reveals issues not currently known. And as for automatic renewal terms, Hobbs was in no position to demand or expect that (and RU in no position to need to give that) given his athletics administration background. The rest written on this subject as to "expected future negotiations" is way far off given the scenario here.

And one posters REPEATED attempt to tie Brown SOLELY (as opposed to Hobbs) to Ash is fairly unbelievable to me. Based on what--some media reports that Brown and Barchi were involved int he decision? Seems to smack of a real desire to string together an exculpatory Hobbs scenario to shield him in advance from any criticism for this search and where we find ourselves now..

 

[DHajekRC84]

I guess reading the actual article was too much to ask from you. It states plainly in the article that his salary will be adjusted to be at least the median of AD's in the Big Ten 2020 and beyond.

I'm not comparing his contract to that of a CEO of a fortune 500 company, but a typical SVP. But I understand how its easier to say I'm out of my depth rather than taking the time to read those terms.

Also, Hobbs himself understood the most important decision by far he would be judged by would be the hiring of the football coach. I know this, because he told me so. There should be consequences for getting something like that wrong, not the $3mm golden ticket he would be owed if he was fired today.

So he has a chance to get it right this time. And we'll know a lot more in 2 years before the auto ext. Kicks in (after 2021 season, and before the 21 to 22 year ends. ) it will only be $1.25m plus x years times $100k deferred).

 

[gef21]

The football program is going through a thermonuclear type meltdown ..but Hobbs is doing a great job overall....lmfao

Facility improvement, donations, and hires in other sports were all huge successes.

 

[SCILS02]

Tuesday, December 1, Ash becomes the top name at Syracuse
https://insidetheloudhouse.com/2015/12/01/syracuse-football-is-chris-ash-our-next-head-coach/

Wednesday, December 2, Ash pulls out of Syracuse running
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ch-search-bowling-green-dino-babers/76673566/

Saturday December 5,
Babers named Syracuse coach
https://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2015/12/syracuse_football_hires_dino_babers.html

Hobbs comes to terms with Chris Ash, BOG approves Monday December 7.
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2015/12/chris_ash_officially_named_rutgers_football_coach.html

If I had to guess, those two were the top choice, and either Hobbs picked Ash, or Babers declined the job.

We got the wrong guy. It happens. We move on.

Coaches publicly "pull" themselves out from a search all the time when they know they aren't getting the job. It makes them sound better than not getting picked or considered. Ash was never a real candidate for the Cuse job. Agent pushed it to drive interest and RU seemingly fell for it with a huge push from Alvarez. Sad I know.

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

Pat Hobbs was hired on November 29, 2015 after Julie Hermann was fired and he hired Chris Ash on December 7, 2015, 8 days later. Why is he getting so much grief about what a crappy search firm Eastman & Beaudine, the same firm that recommended Art Briles to Baylor and Hugh Freeze to Ole Miss, recommended we hire Chris Ash. One bad hire 8 days on the job is going to counteract all the good he has done over the last 4 years. That is bad logic.

 

[angmo]

It's not only that Ash turned out to be the worst football coach in history. It's the fact that the arrogant Hobbs kept doubling down on his mistake.

He's a lawyer and he gives a first time head coach a 7 year guaranteed contract.

He publicly tweets that Ash isn't going anywhere at the start of last season, when it was clear the guy wasn't going to get it done.

He doesn't fire him after last season.

He ignores or is even disdainful of any meaningful celebration on the 150th anniversary of Rutgers inventing football. Like it's a troublesome afterthought.

Then he fires his mistake four games in, along with the OC, with absolutely no plan whatsoever. He puts a high school coach in charge.

He takes two weeks to announce he found a search firm.

His mistakes have cost this program many 10s of millions of $ and the losses continue to pile up. That completely negates any monies he has helped raise.

Who in their right mind would trust this guy to pick the next coach? And some people wonder why anyone is questioning why this guy still has a job let alone a self perpetuating contract.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Pat Hobbs was hired on November 29, 2015 after Julie Hermann was fired and he hired Chris Ash on December 7, 2015, 8 days later. Why is he getting so much grief about what a crappy search firm Eastman & Beaudine, the same firm that recommended Art Briles to Baylor and Hugh Freeze to Ole Miss, recommended we hire Chris Ash. One bad hire 8 days on the job is going to counteract all the good he has done over the last 4 years. That is bad logic.

Stop making sense, that won't go over well with the Schiano Cult.

 

[NorthernKnight_rivals]

This is a non sequitir. How are my statements concerning the hires tremendously flawed. To boil it down, my view is that Flood was a completely unreasonable hire, while Ash was a very reasonable hire.

Flood was underqualified, and was an utter failure. No other school, let alone a P5 school, would have ever considered hiring him as a head coach. Putting him in charge was an epic disaster. The results at first may have been acceptable, but his inability to recruit anyone with a pulse (right out of the gate - astoundingly) killed the program. He also invited numerous scandals, and killed our hard earned reputation with high schools thanks to his complete ineptitude.

Ash was qualified to be hired to the role of HFC. Had we not hired him in that role, someone else would have. He simply didnt work out. I agree the contract was too long. Should have been a 5 year deal max. But the selection of the individual was reasonable, and does not suggest some huge flaw in Hobbs way of thinking. He made a perfectly valid choice in selecting Ash. He gave him a long contract, because others were also vying for his services.

honestly, I’m not a flood fan or an ash fan, but I don’t know how someone can beat up in Flood’s recruiting and not beat up Ash’s recruiting just as much or more.

 

[bitnez]

When you are a B1G school all that ultimately matters is football. If you can’t get that right it’s not the right job for you. There are a lot of excellent ADs at schools that don’t play P5 football. If the new President was already in place I’m not sure Hobbs would get a second hire but he’ll get a chance now to correct the disaster he has stewarded.

 

[Knight Shift]

Pat Hobbs was hired on November 29, 2015 after Julie Hermann was fired and he hired Chris Ash on December 7, 2015, 8 days later. Why is he getting so much grief about what a crappy search firm Eastman & Beaudine, the same firm that recommended Art Briles to Baylor and Hugh Freeze to Ole Miss, recommended we hire Chris Ash. One bad hire 8 days on the job is going to counteract all the good he has done over the last 4 years. That is bad logic.

Actually, it was reported by NJ.com on December 5 that the deal was being finalized.
www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2015/12/rutgers_expected_to_hire_chris_ash_as_head_coach_p.html

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

honestly, I’m not a flood fan or an ash fan, but I don’t know how someone can beat up in Flood’s recruiting and not beat up Ash’s recruiting just as much or more.

Oh, I absolutely agree. Ash should have been able to recruit way way better. That is why he will never be an HC again.

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

Year 2(4-8 and 3 B1G wins) for Ash bought Ash a chance at year 4, but as we realize now, that was more Jerry Kill as OC than Chris Ash as HC. Imagine if Jerry Kill was still OC, Chris Ash might still be here. AD Hobbs had to give him year 4 because of one reason after year 3, he started a true freshman and don't tell me they would have won more with Gio, maybe 1 or 2 more games. In the long run, would it have mattered with his coaching? No. It's pretty standard for coaches and ADs to get a 4 or 5 year deal with 2 year extensions after 2 or 3 years of their contracts. The great Greg Schiano had a 2 year extensions kick in that after year 2 or 3 when his record was 3-20 year 2 or 8-27 after year 3. Chris Ash's record was 6-18 after 2 years. Flood got an extension after 2 years too. Didn't hear many complaints after their extensions.

To get to the recruiting aspect, Ash has brought in talent as did Flood. Flood recruited shady players that couldn't stay on campus which killed depth and culture. 2013-15, Flood lost around 50% of recruits like 38 out of 75, kind of bad, which led to his demise. Ash, on the other hand, recruited to best talent out there regardless of position and now the team has good talent in certain positions, like 12+ LBs, 12+ DBs, and 12+ WRs, and limited or no talent in other positions, no FBs, 1 TE, 2 QBs, at the expense of other positions and the poor development of OL/DL problem. Roster is poorly mismanage and uneven.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Oh, I absolutely agree. Ash should have been able to recruit way way better. That is why he will never be an HC again.

The first warning sign was having a NC, elite DC get his first HC job and it is P5/B1G and he had not one single defensive recruit come with him. Meanwhile- new HC’s all across the nation do this almost 100%.
Hell- we have off field personal move to a lower level and take recruits with them...

 

[Knight Shift]

The first warning sign was having a NC, elite DC get his first HC job and it is P5/B1G and he had not one single defensive recruit come with him. Meanwhile- new HC’s all across the nation do this almost 100%.
Hell- we have off field personal move to a lower level and take recruits with them...

You were seriously expecting him to flip recruits from Ohio State to Rutgers?

 

[yesrutgers01]

As for Hobb’s contract, seems to not be out of the ordinary. I would be sure there is all sorts of terms in there that we don’t know.
The Ash hire...Actually, for the money we were spending and the success of recent UM tree, seemed like a solid gamble at the time.
Hobb’s mistake was hanging on to long. And something about the timing says he was told who he was hiring and maybe why his reason at the time was”he interviewed well”
Hobb’s has to get it right this time. GS would be his “safe” hire. If they could work together, Greg, most likely, give Hobbs a safety net with a high floor.
A bad AD who is only concerned about keeping his job, makes that hire now. That is what some of you are asking for.
An AD earning his salary- doesn’t go with a low floor safe hire but takes time he needs to make the right hire. That may be Greg and timing could be now, IF that is the right choice. But he needs to make a full, informed search before he makes this hire.

 

[OntheBanks]

$901,775 for Hobbs? Ha, ha, ha, ha.....this is a freaking joke...where are my sunglasses.
All that sweet shi stadium money is being well spent. God help us!

It's comparing Apples to Oranges but Luis Avilan a right hand pitcher for the Mets got $1.6 million this year. And Todd Frazier got $9 million.
Who has a harder job, Hobbs or these 2 guys?

 

[ruman]

It's gonna be fascinating to see how fast people turn on Schiano when we go 3-9 next year.

Only the idiots and Schiano haters - we know the task at hand - and the Schiano haters really wont have turned on him

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Dear Lord....

 

[Steve91562]

Facility improvement, donations, and hires in other sports were all huge successes.

Best way to generate $$$ for the athletic department, either through ticket sales, donations, ect., is to have a competent FB program. Most people seem to underestimate the amount of lost dollars by virtue the Flood/Ash debacle. Just because that lost revenue isn't coming from a Rutgers bank account doesn't make it less real.

 

[OldManRiver1]

Actually, it was reported by NJ.com on December 5 that the deal was being finalized.
www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2015/12/rutgers_expected_to_hire_chris_ash_as_head_coach_p.html

Funny how 80% were happy with the hire in the vote results

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

...
as for automatic renewal terms, Hobbs was in no position to demand or expect that (and RU in no position to need to give that) given his athletics administration background.

That says it all.. and explains why Ash got such a nice contract.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

The first warning sign was having a NC, elite DC get his first HC job and it is P5/B1G and he had not one single defensive recruit come with him. Meanwhile- new HC’s all across the nation do this almost 100%.
Hell- we have off field personal move to a lower level and take recruits with them...

Ash was co-DC at OSU and the other guy, Fickell, was obviously the brains (otherwise a perfect post). Ash should have come right away.. for THAT contract he should not have been allowed to coach in the bowl game.

 

[RUSK97]

I agree that Hobbs is the best AD we’ve ever had, but that’s like saying you chowed down on a McDonald’s burger after eating dog poop all your life.

He’s raised $75MM in pledges and put shovels to the ground. He got a better contract for the Stadium naming and a nominally better apparel contract. We don’t know about the club, but at least he got a sponsor in there. He’s a good administrator - a really good one.

As far as athletics, the only teams experiencing success are headed by coaches he didn’t hire (wsoccer and wrestling). Other teams are showing signs of life, but have not achieved anything of note. People love Pike, but the only thing he’s done is not finish last in conference (though that is an achievement). Nothing in FB has gone right. Not the disaster of a coach, not the anniversary, not the timing of the coach’s dismissal. He deserves the chance to make things right in FB, but let’s not pretend he hasn’t made massive errors.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Ash was co-DC at OSU and the other guy, Fickell, was obviously the brains (otherwise a perfect post). Ash should have come right away.. for THAT contract he should not have been allowed to coach in the bowl game.

Now Fickell- that is a guy I feel will have a good run

 

[yesrutgers01]

You were seriously expecting him to flip recruits from Ohio State to Rutgers?

Had no expectations that a 4/5 star OSU recruit was following but where were the 3 star kids that were being dangled a non committable offer or other that just miss the elite cut in Ohio and end up elsewhere.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Mulcahy hired Schiano, Goodale, expanded the stadium and got us into the B1G.

Unless Pickiell or the next football HC win a national title, Mulcahy is the best AD we've ever had, by far.

 

[sherrane]

It's gonna be fascinating to see how fast people turn on Schiano when we go 3-9 next year.

Not a chance. You are going to be in for a letdown if you are looking forward to that day. Schiano will get three years by 40%+ of the people here because Ash sucked so bad that nobody could win with that team. Because the evil Hobbs wouldn't hire him LAST MONTH to get a recruiting class, he'll get a pass for 2020. He could go 1-11 and they'll be grateful he was here to beat Monmouth.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

I agree that Hobbs is the best AD we’ve ever had, but that’s like saying you chowed down on a McDonald’s burger after eating dog poop all your life.

Funny. This is exactly how I feel about Schiano returning.

 

[RUSK97]

Funny. This is exactly how I feel about Schiano returning.

Understood. But sometimes you gotta dine on the McDonald’s burger and establish a place to live that’s more permanent than the cardboard box under the bridge before you can start dreaming about the porterhouse.

 

[Wolv RU]

I agree that Hobbs is the best AD we’ve ever had, but that’s like saying you chowed down on a McDonald’s burger after eating dog poop all your life.

He’s raised $75MM in pledges and put shovels to the ground. He got a better contract for the Stadium naming and a nominally better apparel contract. We don’t know about the club, but at least he got a sponsor in there. He’s a good administrator - a really good one.

As far as athletics, the only teams experiencing success are headed by coaches he didn’t hire (wsoccer and wrestling). Other teams are showing signs of life, but have not achieved anything of note. People love Pike, but the only thing he’s done is not finish last in conference (though that is an achievement). Nothing in FB has gone right. Not the disaster of a coach, not the anniversary, not the timing of the coach’s dismissal. He deserves the chance to make things right in FB, but let’s not pretend he hasn’t made massive errors.

"The only teams experiencing success..." is not fair and not the same grading system that should be applied to the next football coach either.

What about field hockey? Most success in 30 years and it appears to be sustainable.
What about softball?
What about the baseball hire?
Isn't the men's soccer coach doing much better than predecessor?

If anything, your criteria is unfair because many of these coaches are too new to achieve the bar you're setting. If you don't like the improvement in these hires, then I guess football can't be a success until they do actually go to the Rose Bowl or playoff.