Pat Hobbs Absurd Contract
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Its states about salary. In the OP you are griping about the term. Have you compared the term of Hobbs' contract to his peers? It seems not. You are comparing him to a "typical SVP" - whatever that means - and declaring his contract to be absurd.
Meanwhile, back on earth, those of us who have some perspective about the matter will note that on the whole, the Athletic Department under Hobbs is the best it has ever been. He has raised more funds from donors than anyone in history. For the first time in forever, we are building multiple facilities at the same time, and will have facilities on par with our peers. We didn't have that in the AAC....we are about to have that in the Big Ten. New basketball, wrestling and gymnastics facility, new soccer/lacrosse facility, new practice football fields, soon a revamped football only Hale Center made possible by the other buildings; new baseball practice facility, academic excellence center for athletic academic support. All done with donor money, while at the same time reducing the subsidy.
Significant coaching upgrades have been made in multiple sports. Every fall sport except football has been ranked this year. Our women's teams swept Michigan this weekend. If you ask the coaches who are having all this success what they think of Hobbs, to a person they all say he is phenomenal, and is doing everything he can to get them whatever they need to be successful.
But yeah, his contract is absurd. Guy raised a $100 million dollars, and is running the most visible wing of the University. He has fixed every sport he has touched except football - many of which had been disasters for years. Certainly, a 5 year contract at $725k is way too much for this law school dean with no football experience.
And now you guys want to cry he should be fired for not tipping his cap and overpaying Schiano - for no reason at all - in the middle of October. Its insane.
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GIven the most resources in history?? You must be kidding. He was given a mandate to cut the subsidy. Everything good going on in the AD right now is attributable to his ability to raise funds. Something Julie couldn't do, and something Pernetti couldn't do. But yeah, let's thank Pernetti for hiring a career position coach who couldn't recruit at $750k per year to save money and put us in this position in the first place.
Totally great job by Pernetti. Clearly, as a former football player, he was eminently more qualified than a guy who has run multiple large organizations.
Meanwhile, hiring a Defensive Coordinator away from the most successful program in our conference, away from a divisional rival, who was groomed by one of the most successful coaches in college football history....that was obviously idiotic.
The football program is going through a thermonuclear type meltdown ..but Hobbs is doing a great job overall....lmfao
In 2015 Barchi proclaimed gleefully that money woukd not be an issue in hiri g a new coach
couldn’t agree more that the last hire was rushed. But you can’t have it both ways. Where is the proof that Greg Brown effectively made the hire and not Pat Hobbs? And if it was a bad idea to hire a guy 5 days on the job, isn’t that Hobb’s fault? I agree that it was beyond rushed. This time around, however, he has had months if not years to prepare for this inevitability.
To Barchi, that probably meant $2 million. Remember, they were paying Flood minimum wage. Don't know if Barchi is the real problem, or the BOG. If the numbers being floated now ($4 million) are true, they may have finally learned.
They have seen twice now what going on the cheap has gotten us. Spend for the best, and the attendance, concessions and merchandise will pay for the the hire. Spend on the cheap, and lose more money. It's pretty simple.
80%? Where did you get that number from?
73.5% on just under a sample of 400 votes. I don’t think the 6.5% changes the point.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/poll-schiano-or-no-schiano.174342/
I want to be clear that I am not saying Brown effectively made the hire. But given the circumstances and the timing, and the fact that Greg Brown knows Alvarez quite well, it can be inferred. Now there I go doing what I chided you for doing, and I just smacked myself upside my own head.:Sly:
But back to the timing-- of announcing the hire of Ash on Dec. 5 when Hobbs was hired on Nov. 29---it is a little bit odd. How could Hobbs have been reasonably expected to do a search, generate a list of potential hires, reach out to agents, cull the list, set up interviews with top candidates, have call back interviews, etc. in 5 or 6 days. The whole thing reeks of a rush job. And I agree with you that Hobbs should have resisted. Does that make it his fault? If that is the way it went down, partially. But we will likely never know. And that is why I don't share the "off with his head" view of many posters.
To be honest, that is a low bar.
Because this message board is representative of all Rutgers fans... ok.
Also, that poll is a false binary.... there's no option for those like myself who would be happy with Schiano but also happy if it's another quality choice.
I have no idea if this is a lot for a Power Five AD. Anyone know what the 13 other Ads make in the Big Ten ?
hey I don’t disagree with your logic as long as I’m allowed to make inferences with everything I’ve heard recently haha!
I think the narrative around the boosters being wrong this time vs last time is that last time, it was JUST the boosters. Ash was not the consensus pick amongst the Rutgers community. Schiano is overwhelmingly this time. On wall st, there’s a reason only 5% of analysts have a track record better than the consensus estimates.
Total BS
Going 3-9 with a more competitive team and building a future is something fans of this program long for.
Let’s see how the Recruiting classes fare for ‘20, ‘21, and beyond with Schiano vs. the Ash debacle.
Exactly this. Especially the "meanwhile back on earth" lead in - a lot of posters on this site seem to live in some la la land of snap decisions, black-and-white thinking, and green lights all the way.
He absolutely has been given the most resources especially since athletics is borrowing against future B1G money from the university and the league. He even admitted that being a member of the B1G is the reason he believes he can fund this and pay off the awful contract he did with Ash. The subsidy has not been decreasing as reported by beat reporters.
Your statements regarding the hires of ash and flood are tremendously flawed. On the surface a DC at OSU should be a better candidate than an OL coach at Rutgers. however Flood was much more successful than Ash although with Greg’s recruits and the buyout for Flood was less than $1m vs 8.5m for Ash.
Article from last year about AD salaries. Also an article from two years ago with Hobbs salary at 615K put him around #10 in the B10.
https://footballscoop.com/news/the-...tic-directors-salary-database-jack-swarbrick/
https://journalstar.com/sports/husk...ion_7cbf33a7-29c1-5a1e-b4d4-13d1918ac9f7.html
I probably should not be, but I am surprised there is such a high consensus around Greg. I guess people want this done and thus with him be available that adds to the movement to hire him. I think would prefer Butch Jones as the candidate who presumably could be hired at any time. I am not going to criticize PH for doing a full search and am not sure where I see competition of GS's services coming from.
You get weird results with false binaries. A better poll would have been:
- Schiano only, no other choice is acceptable
- Prefer Schiano, but other choices are acceptable
- No preference for or against Schiano, just want a quality HC
- Would prefer going in a different direction, but would accept Schiano
- Another option only, Schiano is not acceptable
The Ash hire seemingly came from out of nowhere. He did not seem to be on anybody's list. But most (other than a vocal minority) saw his resume, having been a DC at Wisconsin, Arkansas (result against RU aside) and tOSU, were on board with the hire. But Ash pretty much came out flat from the beginning, and his OC and DC hires were uninspiring. This time, even if it is Greg (or even some other top candidate), questions should be asked about who the candidate HC plans to hire for OC/DC.
To me, dwelling on what went wrong in the past is not necessarily harmful, if we are going to look for people to vilify. Unless something changes dramatically, Hobbs and the big donors are going to be major stakeholders in the decision to hire the next coach. All fans should be encouraged that Rutgers is taking its time this time to get the hire right, instead of rushing through the process and take the first guy who looks good and is willing to take the job.
This is a non sequitir. How are my statements concerning the hires tremendously flawed. To boil it down, my view is that Flood was a completely unreasonable hire, while Ash was a very reasonable hire.
Flood was underqualified, and was an utter failure. No other school, let alone a P5 school, would have ever considered hiring him as a head coach. Putting him in charge was an epic disaster. The results at first may have been acceptable, but his inability to recruit anyone with a pulse (right out of the gate - astoundingly) killed the program. He also invited numerous scandals, and killed our hard earned reputation with high schools thanks to his complete ineptitude.
Ash was qualified to be hired to the role of HFC. Had we not hired him in that role, someone else would have. He simply didnt work out. I agree the contract was too long. Should have been a 5 year deal max. But the selection of the individual was reasonable, and does not suggest some huge flaw in Hobbs way of thinking. He made a perfectly valid choice in selecting Ash. He gave him a long contract, because others were also vying for his services.
Tuesday, December 1, Ash becomes the top name at Syracuse
https://insidetheloudhouse.com/2015/12/01/syracuse-football-is-chris-ash-our-next-head-coach/
Wednesday, December 2, Ash pulls out of Syracuse running
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ch-search-bowling-green-dino-babers/76673566/
Saturday December 5,
Babers named Syracuse coach
https://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2015/12/syracuse_football_hires_dino_babers.html
Hobbs comes to terms with Chris Ash, BOG approves Monday December 7.
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2015/12/chris_ash_officially_named_rutgers_football_coach.html
If I had to guess, those two were the top choice, and either Hobbs picked Ash, or Babers declined the job.
We got the wrong guy. It happens. We move on.
Ash was 8-32 it was a terrible decision to hire him and give him a guaranteed contract no way around it. Recruiting was non existent while he was the head coach. He has destroyed the fb program and it is all on Hobbs.
I think 90% of the board would fall in the middle three. The problem is the 5% ONLY Schiano and 5% HATE Schiano nuts post nonstop.
I will be viewed as “only Schiano nut” but the truth is I want whoever is going to win. I just don’t trust Hobbs’ judgement here to make a better pick and Schiano has proven to get the job done here.
Any who thinks they know what is going on is just kidding themselves. Hobbs’s job is to identify candidates and hire the best on for Rutgers. So far that’s what he is doing. Everyone please stop pretending you know what’s going on.
It's also a way to spread out the post-termination comp over time, instead of paying a lump sum up front. Look at it like a golden parachute. Doesn't matter whether the school terminates or he does.
Right. As you said if you can get it . But I imagine it’s the top 1 -5 percent of the field that gets these jobs . Rutgers has managed to find coaches and AD’s that appear to be the bottom 1-5 percent lol
Like I said people are so upset that Rutgers won that now they are digging deep to find something to be upset about.
Go outside and take a deep breath.
Go outside and take a deep breath.
He was 8-32 when he was hired? Or was he just a good candidate at that time? You are lost. You are either arguing that Ash wasnt a qualified candidate, which is wrong, or you are asserting Hobbs great failure was not being able to see the future, when he hired a great candidate away from Syracuse within 2 weeks of being on the job. Never mind that when given an appropriate amount of time to make a hire, every single hire Hobbs has made has been a homerun.
You guys are clowns. You want to run off the best AD we have ever had, because Ash couldn't fix our football team. Get over yourselves.
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Let me be clear:
Ash should have never been hired, the contract he was given was a disaster and he should have been fired last year. Hobbs has no idea what he is doing when it comes to football.
Homerun hires? Who has won anything?
The two best coaches were hired by Bob and Tim. Goodale and Brecht.
You want to find a good experienced AD. Look at UCF and Temple.
Its actually a pretty good contract given how much money he has helped spearhead to bring in and the direction most other sports are trending. Yes, football hire was screwed up. He knew it and took action. He is now doing what he needs to do to make that next hire right. The bottom line is that this post is misguided.
Thanks. That is different from the other poll which showed 46% preferred Schiano. But the clear takeaway from the other poll is the vast majority (84%) want a thorough search.
Maybe it's time for another poll.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...obbs-to-select-as-the-next-head-coach.176205/
And it would be a lot of the same people. Stamping their feet and crying about everything is a way of life with these hindsight heroes.
Why? You think this team has talent to do more? Hobbs thought so and he's learning that misguided lesson now. I certainly don't and most people here don't. Whoever comes in here is going to inherit a Chris Ash constructed sh*tshow.
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