OT: NY Giants Season Thread

[NickRU714]

He actually has no qualified starting receivers, with his best two out. Two will be back some and when they come back, start the kid? How,s that fair to Eli.

Fair to Eli?

I say this as someone who has two Eli jerseys in his closet and can tell you exactly where I was when the Giants drafted Eli:

I'm much more concerned about the Giants winning long term (not going to happen this year) and beginning to prepare their high draft pick QB than being "fair to Eli".

I wouldn't be shocked if Eli's last start is Week 6 against Patriots on Thursday night (would be 1-5 potentially after that game) then a QB change during the bye week.

 

[RUhasarrived]

The New York Football Giants have announced that Daniel Jones will be the starting QB on Sunday.

Unless Lawrence Taylor shows up on the other side of the ball,it won't matter for this season.

 

[Abro1975]

Trade Eli to the Jets.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

If he flops, fans will take out their frustration on him.

 

[RUInsanityToo]

The New York Football Giants have announced that Daniel Jones will be the starting QB on Sunday.

Unless Lawrence Taylor shows up on the other side of the ball,it won't matter for this season.

If he flops, fans will take out their frustration on him.

The 40 of us or so who tailgate every Giants game pretty much as a consensus accept that Jones will make mistakes. Eli is not the future and a move like this is not about this season. Let the kid learn, make mistakes and take some lumps while the team (especially the defense) sucks anyway and expectations are low. I'm looking forward to seeing what Jones can do instead of continuing to roll out more of the same with Eli.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

This move also allows the coaching staff to hide some of their deficiencies behind a young QB learning the NFL. Bettcher should be fired mid season if the defense doesn’t show improvement. There are talent issues, yes. But a lot is schematic right now too. Guys are out of position all over the damn field.

 

[MGSA99]

Ben is out for the yesr, and Eli gets benched. Anyone check on Philip Rivers?

 

[RUInsanityToo]

This move also allows the coaching staff to hide some of their deficiencies behind a young QB learning the NFL. Bettcher should be fired mid season if the defense doesn’t show improvement. There are talent issues, yes. But a lot is schematic right now too. Guys are out of position all over the damn field.

I'm not very high on this staff either.

 

[SouthJerseyRU]

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

It was completely idiotic to bring Eli back, and then waste a Top 10 pick on QB.

Either make a run with Eli, or admit he has reached the end of the line and commit to the youth movement.

You didn't need to pay Eli and use a Top 10 Pick on QB. You do one or the other, not both.

 

[rutger80]

This move also allows the coaching staff to hide some of their deficiencies behind a young QB learning the NFL. Bettcher should be fired mid season if the defense doesn’t show improvement. There are talent issues, yes. But a lot is schematic right now too. Guys are out of position all over the damn field.

Hadn't seen receivers run free through a defensive backfield like that since, Buffalo-Rutgers last year.

 

[rufeelinit]

Trade Eli to the Jets.

The Steelers would be a more likely destination but I doubt he is going anywhere.

 

[NickRU714]

This is great.
Give the staff 14 games to start seeing if Jones is the future.

This will be a big 14 games since Giants are likely to have a very high draft pick in a possibly loaded 2020 QB draft.

And before anyone says "That's insane. Why would the Giants consider a QB in the 2020 draft?" ask a Bears fan if they are still all in on 2017 #2 overall pick Trubisky.

This is why Jones needs to play sooner than later. So the team can start evaluating him.

 

[NickRU714]

It was completely idiotic to bring Eli back, and then waste a Top 10 pick on QB.

Either make a run with Eli, or admit he has reached the end of the line and commit to the youth movement.

You didn't need to pay Eli and use a Top 10 Pick on QB. You do one or the other, not both.

This outlines just how much Gettleman bungled the cap with Eli (dont even mention the OBJ cap debacle).

https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/09/g...e-the-highest-paid-player-in-nfl-history.html

Work out a deal with Eli or bring in a cheaper vetern to keep the seat warm for a few weeks until DJ(or whoever the new QB was going to be) takes over.

 

[koleszar]

This move also allows the coaching staff to hide some of their deficiencies behind a young QB learning the NFL. Bettcher should be fired mid season if the defense doesn’t show improvement. There are talent issues, yes. But a lot is schematic right now too. Guys are out of position all over the damn field.

This it what I was thinking as soon as I heard the move. Shurmur goes 5-11 or worse again people will be calling for his head. Stick a rookie QB in there and you have a built in excuse to get another year.

 

[koleszar]

This outlines just how much Gettleman bungled the cap with Eli (dont even mention the OBJ cap debacle).

https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/09/g...e-the-highest-paid-player-in-nfl-history.html

Work out a deal with Eli or bring in a cheaper vetern to keep the seat warm for a few weeks until DJ(or whoever the new QB was going to be) takes over.

Wow $33.6 mil in dead cap space and now a $23.2mil. QB sitting on the bench. So $56.8mil. dollars worth of players you can't get. No wonder we suck so bad. The cap is only what? $188mil. for 2019. Gettleman has blown it bigtime for this year.

 

[Postman_1]

A sad and exciting day for us Giants fans. Eli will always be a GIANTS legend. The remainder of this season is about seeing Jones get better and hopefully a few guys on the defense can too. Jones is def gonna struggle because he is a rookie but at the end of the season hopefully he is better in week 17 then week 3.

 

[zappaa]

8-26 last 34 starts!
Had to happen, if your O Line is awful, you need an at least somewhat mobile or elusive QB to off-set it...

 

[T2Kplus10]

8-26 last 34 starts!
Had to happen, if your O Line is awful, you need an at least somewhat mobile or elusive QB to off-set it...

Jones may get Andrew Luck'ed behind that crappy line. I know you need to make a change, but they are putting a brand new rookie in a very tough situation.

 

[zappaa]

Jones may get Andrew Luck'ed behind that crappy line. I know you need to make a change, but they are putting a brand new rookie in a very tough situation.

Why,
The line will be better next year?
How would he be more ready next year?

 

[Graduatedayear2early]

I recall Gettleman saying he wanted a QB who faced some adversity...

I don't know if they totally phoned it in or think it will spark the team, but how about addressing the Defense/Lack there of?

 

[ashokan]

Eli has been the fall guy for all the years of Giant mismanagement and bad luck. Eli was making a lot of good throws. Brady and Roethlisberger have never been that mobile. They are also the same age or older. Eli still hasn't missed a game due to injury. Giants scored enough points last year to win more games but defense was no good. They took actions to make it worse this year. They lost their best WRs and have only ham and eggers. Starting a new QB under these conditions has its risks. You can ruin a young QB (Rex Ryan did it to Sanchez). Giants ownership and management skills haven't been that good for a long time. I don't like current coaches

 

[cicero grimes]

The Jints should sign Rettig to create a QB controversy and take the attention off how they mishandled the Eli situation.

 

[RUfinal4]

trade Eli to a contender who loses their starting QB to injury and then sign kapernick to back up the rookie

 

[knight82]

trade Eli to a contender who loses their starting QB to injury and then sign kapernick to back up the rookie

If they sign Kaepernick, then for the first time in my life, I will no longer be a Giants fan

 

[Purple-Ed]

Is Fran Tarkenton in game day shape?

 

[RU05]

Eli has been the scapegoat for years, from a large segment of both the fans and the media.

But I feel the team is doing this in part to keep him from falling below .500

It is frustrating that over the past however many years Eli has either had to deal with an atrocious O-line, or no running game, or no defense, or an injury depleted WR corp, but end of the day, he made hundreds of millions of dollars, and will go down a team legend. He'll be OK.

I'm excited to see Jones out there.

 

[mdk02]

8-26 last 34 starts!
Had to happen, if your O Line is awful, you need an at least somewhat mobile or elusive QB to off-set it...

The o-line is actually better than the last few years but the top 3 WRs were out on Saturday. Eli might have had 4 seconds to throw as opposed to 2.5 seconds for the last 2 years but if your WRs can't get any separation it doesn't matter. And in that sense Eli is a scapegoat.

 

[NickRU714]

 

[Salvi's Headband]

If they sign Kaepernick, then for the first time in my life, I will no longer be a Giants fan

Does baby need a paci? Grow up

 

[ScarletR30]

Jones may get Andrew Luck'ed behind that crappy line. I know you need to make a change, but they are putting a brand new rookie in a very tough situation.

The Oline has been solid through the first 2 and the Bills and Cowboys have 2 of the better front 7s in the league. If hes the guy he will be able to handle a "tough" situation

 

[RUInsanityToo]

Eli has been the fall guy for all the years of Giant mismanagement and bad luck. Eli was making a lot of good throws. Brady and Roethlisberger have never been that mobile. They are also the same age or older. Eli still hasn't missed a game due to injury. Giants scored enough points last year to win more games but defense was no good. They took actions to make it worse this year. They lost their best WRs and have only ham and eggers. Starting a new QB under these conditions has its risks. You can ruin a young QB (Rex Ryan did it to Sanchez). Giants ownership and management skills haven't been that good for a long time. I don't like current coaches

While I agree that Eli has taken the brunt of Giants' mismanagement, it's time to move on. There is no sense in continuing to ride an old and expensive QB on a team that is being rebuilt or needs rebuilding (especially on D). What differentiates Brady from Eli is he is much more accurate and with a quicker release as well as the Pat's offensive scheme. Roethlisberger while not a running QB can evade and throw while mobile at a higher level than Eli. The twitter outrage supporting Eli is sillyness. The NFL is littered with players getting replaced/cut. The Giants will still struggle winning with Jones until they fill in some of their obvious gaps (such as pass rush)....but he represents the future and the team needs to evaluate and he needs to develop.

 

[RUInsanityToo]

The Oline has been solid through the first 2 and the Bills and Cowboys have 2 of the better front 7s in the league. If hes the guy he will be able to handle a "tough" situation

This. For those that have been watching/paying attention.

 

[RU05]

While I agree that Eli has taken the brunt of Giants' mismanagement, it's time to move on. There is no sense in continuing to ride an old and expensive QB on a team that is being rebuilt or needs rebuilding (especially on D). What differentiates Brady from Eli is he is much more accurate and with a quicker release as well as the Pat's offensive scheme. Roethlisberger while not a running QB can evade and throw while mobile at a higher level than Eli. The twitter outrage supporting Eli is sillyness. The NFL is littered with players getting replaced/cut. The Giants will still struggle winning with Jones until they fill in some of their obvious gaps (such as pass rush)....but he represents the future and the team needs to evaluate and he needs to develop.

How many of those guys are two time super bowl MVP's?

I know that has become passe to a point,and I'm also at the point where I am OK that we move on, but the Super Bowls are a significant difference between Eli and literally every other player who has been replaced recently.

 

[mdk02]

While I agree that Eli has taken the brunt of Giants' mismanagement, it's time to move on. There is no sense in continuing to ride an old and expensive QB on a team that is being rebuilt or needs rebuilding (especially on D). What differentiates Brady from Eli is he is much more accurate and with a quicker release as well as the Pat's offensive scheme. Roethlisberger while not a running QB can evade and throw while mobile at a higher level than Eli. The twitter outrage supporting Eli is sillyness. The NFL is littered with players getting replaced/cut. The Giants will still struggle winning with Jones until they fill in some of their obvious gaps (such as pass rush)....but he represents the future and the team needs to evaluate and he needs to develop.

Speaking strictly about the 2 first games of this season, what differentiates Brady from Eli are the receivers he's throwing to.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Not a hall of famer

 

[RUInsanityToo]

Speaking strictly about the 2 first games of this season, what differentiates Brady from Eli are the receivers he's throwing to.

While I don't necessarily disagree as the Pats have loaded up on WR's this year, Belichick has had a history of lesser known WR's being very successful in his scheme.

 

[RUInsanityToo]

How many of those guys are two time super bowl MVP's?

I know that has become passe to a point,and I'm also at the point where I am OK that we move on, but the Super Bowls are a significant difference between Eli and literally every other player who has been replaced recently.

I really like Eli and appreciate all he has done for the Giants, but how many of those guys are putting a $20MM salary against the cap and are 38 years old on a crappy team with a top 10 draft pick QB behind them? Going back to the twitter outrage.......if guys like O'hara or Warner were coaching the Giants, they would do likely replace Eli as well. What purpose does it serve to continue to play him at this point except if you think he will continue to be your QB beyond this year or you believe the Giants can be a playoff contending team. As it appears neither of those are the case, it does not make any sense to continue to start him even though he is not the main reason the team is not winless and he still may not be ready to pack it in.

 

[greenknight]

Eli has been the fall guy for all the years of Giant mismanagement and bad luck. Eli was making a lot of good throws. Brady and Roethlisberger have never been that mobile. They are also the same age or older. Eli still hasn't missed a game due to injury. Giants scored enough points last year to win more games but defense was no good. They took actions to make it worse this year. They lost their best WRs and have only ham and eggers. Starting a new QB under these conditions has its risks. You can ruin a young QB (Rex Ryan did it to Sanchez). Giants ownership and management skills haven't been that good for a long time. I don't like current coaches

Sanchez sucked and had no business going anywhere near top 3 rounds let alone #1

 

[BuggsyRU]

This. For those that have been watching/paying attention.

Agree with everyone that this O-line has so far shown more promise than in any of the past 5 years.

It is time to end the Manning era. It's just time. He is not the present, let alone the future. The Giants need to focus on the future, and that means Daniel Jones.