OT: NY Giants Season Thread
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What's that based on?
Cowboys are the most valuable franchise and then you have New England and the Giants.
If you do't realize that the NY Giants are a premiere franchise, that absolutely belongs in the same sentence as the Dallas Cowboys, then you should change the name of your handle to "Uneducated NJ Sports fan."
What WR's? They completely blow. #1 on suspension, #2 and #3 on concussion protocol. #4 is slow as hell. #5, #6 are invisible, #7 was just activated. O and we have a TE would can't block but is supposed to be a premier pass catcher. He lit them up for 5 catches and a whopping 40yds. The Giants offense is a complete sh*t show with or without Barkley.
Add in a defense which is giving up 31.5 pts. a game and you have the recipe for a top 5 pick. Good job Gettelman on constructing this sh*tshow of a circus. Headed by the ring master himself Shurmur.
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Who is Barkley?
Oh wait..yeah I see him...18 carries and 3 receptions. Practically a starter.
0-2?
While Barkley has been great, a franchise QB trumps all other positions.
Besides, don't most fans want the Giants to trade Barkley in a couple years?
I mean, the Patriots dont have marquee RBs.
That was what everyone yelled at me to justify the OBJ trade - "but but...NE wins without marquee WRs!"
I like Darnold and wanted him OR Barkley. It could be said that Giants should have taken Darnold but so far Darnold hasn't been Mahomes, and he and Daniel Jones don't look oceans apart. Is still early, but Jones/Barkley could be a better tandem (over time) than Darnold/Bell. They might just be even too and that's ok. Both teams are going nowhere fast at the mo.
A lot of the problem on offense lies with Eli.
His zero ability to buy time, fumbles, interceptions and batted down passes are hard to overcome.
In today’s game, you simply need a play maker at QB.
Brady is a once in a generation defense reader and is incredible at getting the ball out... he simply doesn’t count, no one can do what he does
Funny how that works. A lot of that modern approach involves blocking people and throwing the ball in the general direction of receivers that are actually open.
Years ago the NFL realized because of
Expansion, they needed to realign
So they moved some west teams
To east, and some east teams west.
Every team complied but Dallas they
Said they are staying East with the Giants because the Giants were the premier team in the NFL and needed to be with them. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH ththththth.
You guys realize you are both right. NY Giants are a huge national brand, so are NE/Pitt/GB...But the Cowboys are the Yankees as compared to Boston/Cubs/Dodgers
None of the clubs mentioned above as well as a couple of more, have anything to apologize for and are the e;ite of the elite. But, teams like Yankees/Cowboys are the Uber Elite.
"It's part of the game. Bad calls have happened forever."
Same stupid repsonse is given when the suggestion of automated balls and strikes in baseball.
Apparently bag judgement calls should just be accepted.
If only he could have beaten Eli at least once, huh? Besides that, he was pretty good but there is always someone out their better. Manning as you may want to remember won two MVPs playing against Brady who supposedly had the better team, I think undefeated at least once.
By the way the Giants receiving core was rated 31st in the league this week. Also I saw many faults with the Giants today, many and the QB did not lose
the game. As far as going with the new guy now I have two words for those that want to bring him into this mess now. Andrew Luck.
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The Giants defense won’t allow them to beat anyone.If only he could have Eli at least once, huh? Besides that, he was pretty good but there is always someone out their better. Manning as you may want to remember won two MVPs playing against Brady who supposedly had the better team, I think undefeated at least once.
By the way the Giants receiving core was rated 31st in the league this week. Also I saw many faults with the Giants today, many and the QB did not lose
the game. As far as going with the new guy now I have two words for those that want to bring him into this mess now. Andrew Luck.
I’m talking about their offensive woes.
Eli’s skill set simply doesn’t match their offensive deficiencies... if you have a poor OL you need a mobile QB
I know this is the common complaint, but my answer is they went and got the guy they think is their QB of the future.
But he is not ready for this yet, my comment about Luck, is I don't want him to get killed like Luck. Problem is
The top picks go to the worse teams. We need to be patient, you can't undo Reeses' horror show in a year.
I think it should be the other way. You build around the QB. Eli has never been mobile, now even less so. That's why you need a great pass blocking line for their offense to be successful. That's on the GM, their OLine is absolutely awful. They've won in the past with Eli. You give him time and he's a pretty good QB.
People say Eli has lost a lot but I remember his first few years when he didn't have much either. I recall being disappointed after all the hype about Eli. He's always been the worst short passer I've ever seen. He can throw a screen to a solitary receiver in the flats and miss him by 3 yards. He's also always been a klutz. I'll never forget Eli vs Dallas some years ago, when he was running free late in the 4th, and about to score a TD to take a lead, when he tripped untouched and fell down. He also dropped the ball and lost possession. Never saw a more goofy play by an NFL QB. Even the butt fumble looked like art compared to that. Eli can place a longer ball though. That's how he won SBs
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So the plan should have been take 2-3 years building around a 38year old QB in the last year of his contract who costs over $20mil in cap space?
Instead of the high 1st round draft pick under team control for 4 years at 6mil per year?
No what I'm saying is if you're planning on keeping your aging quarterback who has zero mobility as your starter then you should also plan to give him a line that gives him time to throw.
He actually has no qualified starting receivers, with his best two out. Two will be back some and when they come back, start the kid? How,s that fair to Eli.
Heard Carl Banks on the radio.
He said defense actually has talent ("they aren't Kansas City") but they aren't being coached in the right direction. He sees a "potpourri" of plays that's allowing offensive players to get free and roam, while Giants defenders are obviously lost schematically. Players aren't understanding their defense because its not founded on a basic defensive profile based on personnel abilities and mental grasp of plays. He aid to trim things down to what players can do best and understand, and then add layers on to that. Things just a mishmash as they are.
On offense, Banks doesn't understand why Barkley is being left out of the offense as the game unfolds. He said Barkley might not get the ball but could still be uses strategically to stress the defense. He doesn't see that.
He said Buffalo blocks a lot of passes (they did it to Jets too) because its something they are good at as a defense and their specific personnel. He wasn't blaming Eli who isn't known to have a lot of blocked passes at 6'4"
Giants biggest problem - among many - seems to be coaching
He said defense actually has talent ("they aren't Kansas City") but they aren't being coached in the right direction. He sees a "potpourri" of plays that's allowing offensive players to get free and roam, while Giants defenders are obviously lost schematically. Players aren't understanding their defense because its not founded on a basic defensive profile based on personnel abilities and mental grasp of plays. He aid to trim things down to what players can do best and understand, and then add layers on to that. Things just a mishmash as they are.
On offense, Banks doesn't understand why Barkley is being left out of the offense as the game unfolds. He said Barkley might not get the ball but could still be uses strategically to stress the defense. He doesn't see that.
He said Buffalo blocks a lot of passes (they did it to Jets too) because its something they are good at as a defense and their specific personnel. He wasn't blaming Eli who isn't known to have a lot of blocked passes at 6'4"
Giants biggest problem - among many - seems to be coaching