I’ve heard a few people toss out this 2019 record as a must for CA to save his neck. Whether or not this team can attain this record is a question for another time. But my question is: would you be happy with it? Is that enough progress and would you accept that the program is headed in the right direction or would you still complain that CA is being retained?
Would you be happy with 5-7?
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This team can be 15-0 and some here would still want him and Hobbs gone.
But in all seriousness a GOOD 5-7 record with legit improvment would probably save Ash for another year. A BAD 5-7 season ending with a 7 game losing streak may be enough to finally pull the plug.
But in all seriousness a GOOD 5-7 record with legit improvment would probably save Ash for another year. A BAD 5-7 season ending with a 7 game losing streak may be enough to finally pull the plug.
5-7 means he stays 2 more years until his contract runs out.
It would be a major turnaround if he gets to 5 wins. Highly highly unlikely but huge if he does.
It would be a major turnaround if he gets to 5 wins. Highly highly unlikely but huge if he does.
Growth? Progress? Accepting below .500 seasons? Being satisfied with this for 150 years is why we are where we are.
5-7 and he can stay . 4-8 and let’s see what it looks like , but he should probably be fired.
Keeping in mind Ash was 4-8 in 2017, don't really think that 5-7 should be the bench mark.
There are 7 games that are "winnable" on the schedule. Winnable and whether an Ash-coached team will win them are two different stories.
There are 7 games that are "winnable" on the schedule. Winnable and whether an Ash-coached team will win them are two different stories.
I take it you wouldn’t be happy with 5-7. I suspect you’d have a lot of company, but just wasn’t sure.
I would be happy with it. It’s year 4 of a 5 to 7 year rebuild so 5 wins in the best conference is good. Consider that we have built up and revamped lots of foundational things that Ash was charged with. So the worst part is over. I think we really need an identity which we don’t have and we need big time help marketing the football team .
Way too few peaks and way too many valleys, so no I would not be happy with 5-7 that is a losers mentality and until we demand better expect more of the same.
Not trying to be mean.
2017 was a bad 4-8.
Averaging under 20pts per game isn't sustainable for Rutgers.
As we saw in 2018.
2-10 but scoring 30pts per game shows more evidence of success going forward than squeeking out 5-7 scoring under 20pts.
Depsite what people posting ("all that matters is wins this season"), process does matter for repeatable success.
I hear you, but MBB has never surpassed .500 under the current regime and fans are ready to cannonize the man. Just saying’, you gotta start somewhere.
A 5-7 season is when Rutgers
-finally found their QB of the future who can grow with the program.
-RBs continue to improve, OLine and WRs are better
-Defense, which was improving at end of 18 season continues their rise.
-Coaches do a better job with their personel decisions, in game plans and adjustments, and in season recruiting.
A bad season is SAME OLD SH**!!!
The loss to EMU and the pasting 41-0 by Indiana were bad highlights of a bad season.
I honestly would be happy with 5-7. But I don't see him getting anywhere near there.
No one should be “happy” with under .500 records.
But does 5-7 at least inject glimmers for hope and some excitement on Saturdays ??
The second question is the one we’re after. Can Ash do enough to give the team, recruits , and fan base HOPE that a return to bowls are imminent?
We want to enjoy our Saturdays again. Be able to say we’re Rutgers fans with a bit more pride and unity.
That’s all we’re asking for that this point.
But does 5-7 at least inject glimmers for hope and some excitement on Saturdays ??
The second question is the one we’re after. Can Ash do enough to give the team, recruits , and fan base HOPE that a return to bowls are imminent?
We want to enjoy our Saturdays again. Be able to say we’re Rutgers fans with a bit more pride and unity.
That’s all we’re asking for that this point.
What do you see?
I see at least 4 winnable from: BC, UMass, Maryland, Indiana, Minnesota, Liberty, Illinois. Bare minimum 3, but again, winnable does not mean wins. IMO, a coach on the hottest of hot seats has to over perform. 5 wins is the minimum floor of an expectation for Ash to keep his job.
The one silver lining with a 5 win season is if he puts together a top 40 (or top 30) recruiting class.
I look at the schedule and then look at performance of the past two years and can’t find 4-5 games we will win.
There are 4-5 we could win but just not feeling it.
There are 4-5 we could win but just not feeling it.
The problem is that, usually, if a coach is on the hottest of hot seats he hasn't overperformed prior and more likely to underperform.
But there are exceptions.
Will Ash be one? TBD.
So going 5-2 in "Winnable games isn't good enough? If they are winnable aren't they also losable?
I would not be happy with 5-7 but would sign up for it right now. With our coaching, qb and OL concerns we are at a disadvantage, and we are not deep on D either.
Unfortunately I think if we win 3 or 4 then Ash stays. The recent recruiting class was decent and there are still three years on the contract AFTER this one so it gives cover for "2018 was the bottom and we have turned the corner" arguments.
Unfortunately I think if we win 3 or 4 then Ash stays. The recent recruiting class was decent and there are still three years on the contract AFTER this one so it gives cover for "2018 was the bottom and we have turned the corner" arguments.
No. Not at all. Not being 0-14 in the last P5 games. Not in year 4 of a rebuild. And that's not the only criteria. No major blowouts. And how about pulling off a surprise win, which he does not have on his resume. Is that too much to ask after 48 games? 5-7 and a great recruiting class may be acceptable.
How long are we to settle for mediocrity, and is 5-7 mediocrity when recruiting has been sub par?
If we go 5-7 and compete in a majority of those 7 games, yes I would be happy. I may even start to believe in Ash if we did this.
If we got 5-7 and get blown out a majority of those 7 games, no I would not be happy.
Either way Ash has set the bar so low for this program that 5 wins in year 4 would actually seem like major progress so I guess he would be successful in convincing us all that this had to be a 5-7 year rebuild when in fact, it didn’t.
If we got 5-7 and get blown out a majority of those 7 games, no I would not be happy.
Either way Ash has set the bar so low for this program that 5 wins in year 4 would actually seem like major progress so I guess he would be successful in convincing us all that this had to be a 5-7 year rebuild when in fact, it didn’t.
No!
6-6 min. + bowl.
Anything short of that and get my man Hobbs on the job for the next HC.
MO
I agree. Wouldn't be happy with 5-7 under those terms. However the fact is it would be "progress" as the bar can't get any lower. Unless there are off the field issues I don't see Ash getting fired anyway. If it's 5 wins let them all be at home.
Better(funnier?) question is: how many "guaranteed wins" (i.e. Buffalo, Kansas) are people going to predict before the season.....
I used to wear the most scarlet of scarlet glasses and drank gallons of scarlet kool aid daily. Not sure there are any guaranteed wins. Not trying to be aneeyore, but Liberty has Hugh Freeze as head coach- before hiring Hugh Freeze, in 2018 Liberty beat 10-3 Troy, beat New Mexico, and put up 24 points against Virginia.
UMass may be the easiest team on the schedule, but with new coach Walt Bell, I would not even pencil in a win.
Of course a lot of this depends on RU having a functional passing game.
This and agree with bac 4 wins and he will be back. I see maybe 3 wins this year and nowhere close to an upset of anyone close to top of the league. We just have too many questions that need to work out in our favor to approach 5 wins
5-7? Sign me up.
Anything better than 2-10 and I will be very surprised and happy. Skeptical about a functional QB and the OL and DL are shaping up to be as bad, or worse, than last season. But, no big woof, because even with 2-10, Ash will be back in 2020 for Year 5. If a miracle donor didn’t step up with the dough after 1-11, then Hobbs isn’t going to find anyone to fund a private buyout after the 2019 season. Can’t picture the BOG and Barchi paying for it until after Year 5 or 6.
Anything better than 2-10 and I will be very surprised and happy. Skeptical about a functional QB and the OL and DL are shaping up to be as bad, or worse, than last season. But, no big woof, because even with 2-10, Ash will be back in 2020 for Year 5. If a miracle donor didn’t step up with the dough after 1-11, then Hobbs isn’t going to find anyone to fund a private buyout after the 2019 season. Can’t picture the BOG and Barchi paying for it until after Year 5 or 6.
As long as Ash is coach, I hold out hope he might find some momentum, that he's on a learning curve and gets better running the program and catches some breaks on the recruiting trail with impact kids who want to stay home and bring others with them.
As many things as have gone wrong, there have been things fixed, like special teams year one to year two, the defense this past season, the way it started vs. how it finished.
The 4TD's-18ints seems to be the obstacle. Can that be turned around? Does anyone turn that around, like ever?
For this to work, we have to forget about throwing over the middle, 9nto the zone. There's no way anyone can go from seeing the coverage that poorly to seeing it that much better, in one year.
We need to pound the run game.
We need to execute the swing pass/short passing game
We need to take shots down the sidelines into isolated, single coverage where Sitkowski would figure to excel, big accurate arm, deep down the field and hope the WR makes a play.
We need rb's to throw passes down the field a couple of times a game
Five wins? I don't see any way that happens. Maybe four wins. Three probably saves his job. As long as Barchi is here, the appetite for replacing a staff and laying down $15 million for another, is zero.
As many things as have gone wrong, there have been things fixed, like special teams year one to year two, the defense this past season, the way it started vs. how it finished.
The 4TD's-18ints seems to be the obstacle. Can that be turned around? Does anyone turn that around, like ever?
For this to work, we have to forget about throwing over the middle, 9nto the zone. There's no way anyone can go from seeing the coverage that poorly to seeing it that much better, in one year.
We need to pound the run game.
We need to execute the swing pass/short passing game
We need to take shots down the sidelines into isolated, single coverage where Sitkowski would figure to excel, big accurate arm, deep down the field and hope the WR makes a play.
We need rb's to throw passes down the field a couple of times a game
Five wins? I don't see any way that happens. Maybe four wins. Three probably saves his job. As long as Barchi is here, the appetite for replacing a staff and laying down $15 million for another, is zero.
If he doesn't beat both UMass and Liberty he should be fired, period. If he loses to one of those how can we legitimately expect him to beat anybody but the lowliest of P5 programs, such as Illinois. No way he gets to 4, let alone 5, without winning those two games.
A guy who inherited a program that went to 9 bowl games in 11 years now has the fan base happy if they come close to missing a bowl game for the 4th straight year of his tenure.
He would be back at 5 wins but I don’t see it. He is horrific on gameday and this team is talentless save for a few guys. FML.
He would be back at 5 wins but I don’t see it. He is horrific on gameday and this team is talentless save for a few guys. FML.