Issa dismissed from team.

SJScarlet

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Sorry, not sad about it if he actually did this.
I know you just mean “he deserves the dismissal”, but it can be sad for a number of reasons
- Thrown away opportunity on the court. Resurgent game against Iowa, could possibly have provided helpful minutes his senior year or at least helpful depth.
- Unless you think of people in terms of good and evil (which you shouldn’t), you can be sad for how this kid’s life just changed and how he let his problems/flaws ruin great opportunities in life. He may now get deported to Senegal in disgrace with no college degree. Will be on him to make something of his life.
- Shocking development from someone who appeared to be a gentle kid. Goes under the heading of “you never know with anybody”. I’m pretty cynical and kind of shakes your faith in people a bit.
- Tough and unfair for the team/coaches to go through and regroup as they end what has been a positive season. Brutal loss to penn state and then this played a role in the final score at Indiana in my opinion.
 

Mr. Magoo1

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I know you just mean “he deserves the dismissal”, but it can be sad for a number of reasons
- Thrown away opportunity on the court. Resurgent game against Iowa, could possibly have provided helpful minutes his senior year or at least helpful depth.
- Unless you think of people in terms of good and evil (which you shouldn’t), you can be sad for how this kid’s life just changed and how he let his problems/flaws ruin great opportunities in life. He may now get deported to Senegal in disgrace with no college degree. Will be on him to make something of his life.
- Shocking development from someone who appeared to be a gentle kid. Goes under the heading of “you never know with anybody”. I’m pretty cynical and kind of shakes your faith in people a bit.
- Tough and unfair for the team/coaches to go through and regroup as they end what has been a positive season. Brutal loss to penn state and then this played a role in the final score at Indiana in my opinion.

I don’t think of people as purely good or purely evil but I’d like to think that it is a rare exception of a person who would do what he is accused of. I’ll give you that we don’t know what is going on in his life that could have led to him potentially “snapping”. So, in that context, the situation is sad.

However, If this is true, I am more sad for the girl whose life was supposedly threatened with a knife and was slapped repeatedly.
 

zebnatto

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I know you just mean “he deserves the dismissal”, but it can be sad for a number of reasons
- Thrown away opportunity on the court. Resurgent game against Iowa, could possibly have provided helpful minutes his senior year or at least helpful depth.
- Unless you think of people in terms of good and evil (which you shouldn’t), you can be sad for how this kid’s life just changed and how he let his problems/flaws ruin great opportunities in life. He may now get deported to Senegal in disgrace with no college degree. Will be on him to make something of his life.
- Shocking development from someone who appeared to be a gentle kid. Goes under the heading of “you never know with anybody”. I’m pretty cynical and kind of shakes your faith in people a bit.
- Tough and unfair for the team/coaches to go through and regroup as they end what has been a positive season. Brutal loss to penn state and then this played a role in the final score at Indiana in my opinion.

I’ve been teaching at an urban community college since the 80s. Such a shame what he threw away, as it would be with any kid.
 

RUtix4me

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This doesnt seem to be the first time he got violent either. Young man needs help. I feel sorry for the victim.
 
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JonathanAlan

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I know you just mean “he deserves the dismissal”, but it can be sad for a number of reasons
- Thrown away opportunity on the court. Resurgent game against Iowa, could possibly have provided helpful minutes his senior year or at least helpful depth.
- Unless you think of people in terms of good and evil (which you shouldn’t), you can be sad for how this kid’s life just changed and how he let his problems/flaws ruin great opportunities in life. He may now get deported to Senegal in disgrace with no college degree. Will be on him to make something of his life.
- Shocking development from someone who appeared to be a gentle kid. Goes under the heading of “you never know with anybody”. I’m pretty cynical and kind of shakes your faith in people a bit.
- Tough and unfair for the team/coaches to go through and regroup as they end what has been a positive season. Brutal loss to penn state and then this played a role in the final score at Indiana in my opinion.
Well said comments especially about someone who came off as a quiet but " gentle" kid as you've expressed it. You're right --never imagined Thiam for getting into this "alleged" problem.....
 

SJScarlet

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Well said comments especially about someone who came off as a quiet but " gentle" kid as you've expressed it. You're right --never imagined Thiam for getting into this "alleged" problem.....
I wonder if the team and coaches feel the same way and were surprised, or if there were signs. Either way, I hope the players and coaches address it fully, as I really think this is the kind of thing where the bad vibes can lower morale and stick around if you don’t digest it fully. A team needs to feel like they are a family on a mission together, especially in a sport like basketball with a small roster compared to say football. Hopefully they can get past it and even use it to bring them closer together, and feel good heading into the offseason.
 

JonathanAlan

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I wonder if the team and coaches feel the same way and were surprised, or if there were signs. Either way, I hope the players and coaches address it fully, as I really think this is the kind of thing where the bad vibes can lower morale and stick around if you don’t digest it fully. A team needs to feel like they are a family on a mission together, especially in a sport like basketball with a small roster compared to say football. Hopefully they can get past it and even use it to bring them closer together, and feel good heading into the offseason.
I really believe that Issa's suspension on Friday had a major affect on the Indiana game. You're right--it's a sense of disruption within the basketball family. Nothing is more upsetting within a family than to discover that someone you thought you knew only to discover you really don't.
 

sct1111

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I wonder if the team and coaches feel the same way and were surprised, or if there were signs. Either way, I hope the players and coaches address it fully, as I really think this is the kind of thing where the bad vibes can lower morale and stick around if you don’t digest it fully. A team needs to feel like they are a family on a mission together, especially in a sport like basketball with a small roster compared to say football. Hopefully they can get past it and even use it to bring them closer together, and feel good heading into the offseason.
Maybe this relationship was part of the reason for his poor play. Who knows. It does open up a roster spot though.
 

NewJerseyHawk

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Terrible look by Issa....this is a societal problem and issue that unfortunately could derail a young man's life and educational career and future success.
 

RUPete

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I know you just mean “he deserves the dismissal”, but it can be sad for a number of reasons
- Thrown away opportunity on the court. Resurgent game against Iowa, could possibly have provided helpful minutes his senior year or at least helpful depth.
- Unless you think of people in terms of good and evil (which you shouldn’t), you can be sad for how this kid’s life just changed and how he let his problems/flaws ruin great opportunities in life. He may now get deported to Senegal in disgrace with no college degree. Will be on him to make something of his life.
- Shocking development from someone who appeared to be a gentle kid. Goes under the heading of “you never know with anybody”. I’m pretty cynical and kind of shakes your faith in people a bit.
- Tough and unfair for the team/coaches to go through and regroup as they end what has been a positive season. Brutal loss to penn state and then this played a role in the final score at Indiana in my opinion.
Yup. Couldn’t agree more. I am always sad about wasted opportunities. But actions have consequences and many times you do not get a second chance.
 

bac2therac

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I was a little surprised at how some dismissed these charges as overblown and tried to downplay it. These were serious charges. The only one we should feel sorry for is the victim. Whether he threatened her life looks like he said/she said but slapping and pushing a woman is a no no. A domestic dispute that got heated but its over the line when violence is involved

Who knows what was going on with Issa all year long, it was a mystery novel for sure but his MIA routine hurt this team no doubt

Rutgers doing the right thing by dismissing him. Its a distraction that the program does not need this late in the season and obviously had an impact on the Indiana no show. Hopefully the players can move on and find the right mindset for the Big 10 tournament...another learning lesson for them.
 

DHajekRC84

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I know he's a string bean but at 6 foot 10, that's a big guy there considering . so freaking sad. Realy sad.
 

zebnatto

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I was a little surprised at how some dismissed these charges as overblown and tried to downplay it. These were serious charges. The only one we should feel sorry for is the victim. Whether he threatened her life looks like he said/she said but slapping and pushing a woman is a no no. A domestic dispute that got heated but its over the line when violence is involved

Who knows what was going on with Issa all year long, it was a mystery novel for sure but his MIA routine hurt this team no doubt

Rutgers doing the right thing by dismissing him. Its a distraction that the program does not need this late in the season and obviously had an impact on the Indiana no show. Hopefully the players can move on and find the right mindset for the Big 10 tournament...another learning lesson for them.

There is reason to feel bad for a young man who has just screwed up his life regardless of how appropriate and necessary the punishment can be. Of course it’s over the line, Issa completely fkd up.
 

RUPete

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I was a little surprised at how some dismissed these charges as overblown and tried to downplay it. These were serious charges. The only one we should feel sorry for is the victim. Whether he threatened her life looks like he said/she said but slapping and pushing a woman is a no no. A domestic dispute that got heated but its over the line when violence is involved

Who knows what was going on with Issa all year long, it was a mystery novel for sure but his MIA routine hurt this team no doubt

Rutgers doing the right thing by dismissing him. Its a distraction that the program does not need this late in the season and obviously had an impact on the Indiana no show. Hopefully the players can move on and find the right mindset for the Big 10 tournament...another learning lesson for them.
I agree and I think it becomes clear why we saw the performance we did on Sunday. Unfortunately, I think this will carry over to Wednesday. Crappy ending to an otherwise good year.
 
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Colbert17!

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I was a little surprised at how some dismissed these charges as overblown and tried to downplay it. These were serious charges. The only one we should feel sorry for is the victim. Whether he threatened her life looks like he said/she said but slapping and pushing a woman is a no no. A domestic dispute that got heated but its over the line when violence is involved

Who knows what was going on with Issa all year long, it was a mystery novel for sure but his MIA routine hurt this team no doubt

Rutgers doing the right thing by dismissing him. Its a distraction that the program does not need this late in the season and obviously had an impact on the Indiana no show. Hopefully the players can move on and find the right mindset for the Big 10 tournament...another learning lesson for them.

Bac,
Count me among those who thought the charges might be blown out of proportion. I admit I was wrong.
 

ColonelRutgers

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Impossible not to have affected the team. And since it happened in Issa's apartment even if conceivably none of his roommates were actually there (which we don't know one way or the other), some of them are now staying in a crime scene and one of their teammates/roommates is sitting in a jail cell potentially waiting to be deported.
 

S_Janowski

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I was a little surprised at how some dismissed these charges as overblown and tried to downplay it. These were serious charges. The only one we should feel sorry for is the victim. Whether he threatened her life looks like he said/she said but slapping and pushing a woman is a no no. A domestic dispute that got heated but its over the line when violence is involved

Who knows what was going on with Issa all year long, it was a mystery novel for sure but his MIA routine hurt this team no doubt

Rutgers doing the right thing by dismissing him. Its a distraction that the program does not need this late in the season and obviously had an impact on the Indiana no show. Hopefully the players can move on and find the right mindset for the Big 10 tournament...another learning lesson for them.

Sad reality these days. People just can’t have patience and let things play themselves out and instead usually need to latch on to one side of an argument.

You can say that the “terroristic threat” charge needs to be revised in NJ but if these charges are true then they’re pretty bad and as nice as Issa might have seemed he screwed up big time and deserves to be off the team.

Hopefully this was only a one time occurrence for the victim and he gets help and this doesn’t derail his life.
 
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bac2therac

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Impossible not to have affected the team. And since it happened in Issa's apartment even if conceivably none of his roommates were actually there (which we don't know one way or the other), some of them are now staying in a crime scene and one of their teammates/roommates is sitting in a jail cell potentially waiting to be deported.


true...the teams lives becomes like a three day soap opera of texts, innuendos, rumors before they try to figure out the truth not to mention cops sniffing around. Its a major upheaval for players who are used to routine and not distractions. Now this stuff may have been swirling beforehand and is an explanation for the Thiam MIA routine this year so maybe they are not surprised who kows. At least they are getting away from the area unlike last year when the tourney was in NYC
 
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I agree and I think it becomes clear why we saw the performance we did on Sunday. Unfortunately, I think this will carry over to Wednesday. Crappy ending to an otherwise good year.
Sunday had nothing to do with issa. We simply got the **** kicked out of us