Commission on College Basketball Report released

[Scarlet_Scourge]

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Commission on College Basketball sharply directed the NCAA to take control of the sport, calling for sweeping reforms to separate pro and college tracks, permit players to return to school after going undrafted by the NBA and ban cheating coaches for life.

The independent commission, led by former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, released a detailed 60-page report Wednesday, seven months after the NCAA formed the group in response to a federal corruption investigation that rocked college basketball.

Read the rest here: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ollege-basketball-shares-recommendations-ncaa

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Here is the actual report: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4445900-Commission-on-College-Basketball-Report-and.html

 

[LOU-RU85]

Those changes would even the playing field. Coaches must have consequences aligned with cheating.

 

[RURM85]

Very interesting. Read the ESPN article and wish I had the time to dive into the 60 page document.

Solely based on the ESPN summary, it appears the Commission is on the right track. Obviously it's up to the Universities and NCAA to make the proposed changes a reality. Without action, words mean very little. However, it's a start to develop a blue print.

I like hearing more stiff penalties for cheating Coaches including lifetime bans, however, it's all in the process implementation that's important.

Also, it mentions the end of one-and-dones, however, still notes players can leave after 1 year but the rules would not compel them to do that. I struggle to understand how the rules are determined and what that means. Regardless, the one-and-done era needs to end as soon as possible.

I also like the Commission's position of keeping amateurism over paying players. Not a supporter of paying players. That's the NBA's job and should not influence a college environment.

 

[ScarletKid2008]

Two things I took away from reading the detailed report is :

1) Only 34% of grad transfers actually end up obtaining the grad degree. So they called that process out for being non-academic reasons and hence against the spirit of the grad transfer rule. Recommended to do something about that

2) They suggested that players could enter the draft and if go undrafted, could return to school. What stops a player like Corey then from entering the draft every season ? Makes it really difficult to manage scholarships in that case. But I would support this rule as it favors the player and their future more-so than the school.

 

[RUChoppin]

Two things I took away from reading the detailed report is :

1) Only 34% of grad transfers actually end up obtaining the grad degree. So they called that process out for being non-academic reasons and hence against the spirit of the grad transfer rule. Recommended to do something about that

2) They suggested that players could enter the draft and if go undrafted, could return to school. What stops a player like Corey then from entering the draft every season ? Makes it really difficult to manage scholarships in that case. But I would support this rule as it favors the player and their future more-so than the school.

The grad thing is interesting to me, as most grad programs are two years and grad transfers just get one paid for. So, the grad transfer scholarship gets them half way to a degree, but they'd be on their own to finish it. If transfers didn't have to sit out a year at all, then the idea of a special "grad" transfer wouldn't be a thing.

For players who don't intend to play professionally, there is incentive to either redshirt a year or to transfer to get that extra year of scholarship. Playing as a freshman gives them just 4 years of scholarship, while transfering/redshirting gives them 5.

 

[RW90]

2) They suggested that players could enter the draft and if go undrafted, could return to school. What stops a player like Corey then from entering the draft every season ? Makes it really difficult to manage scholarships in that case. But I would support this rule as it favors the player and their future more-so than the school.

In an interesting twist, this might actually level the playing field a bit more as signing blue chip recruits would require additional scholarship management on the parts of those elite programs.

 

[IMARUFAN]

2) They suggested that players could enter the draft and if go undrafted, could return to school. What stops a player like Corey then from entering the draft every season ? Makes it really difficult to manage scholarships in that case. But I would support this rule as it favors the player and their future more-so than the school.

Exactly.

Actually, what stops every single player from "entering" the draft every single year if they could then continue playing college ball if they're not drafted?

Clearly, coaches wouldn't be concerned about most of their players being drafted but teams with a lot of good players wouldn't know what the heck to do regarding recruiting since they could lose several players to the NBA for all they know.

 

[RUBigFrank]

It's fairly evident who is getting drafted - as there are only two rounds. Rule makes sense.

Grad transfer rule is good - a stepping stone for those players in subsequent years who want to move on to coaching via grad asst.

 

[TDIrish27]

Not really it isn't------big X factor is the Foreign players .

The only people who really know about them are the scouts and the GM's-----and every year the quality of their play and their readiness to play in the NBA increases.

 

[T2Kplus10]

From the ESPN article:

"Most noticeably, the commission recommends stiffer penalties for coaches that knowingly break rules -- including potential lifetime bans.

"Currently, the rewards for violating the rules far outweigh the risks," Rice said."

Call this the Coach Cal rule when it is implemented!

 

[ScarletKid2008]

From the ESPN article:

"Most noticeably, the commission recommends stiffer penalties for coaches that knowingly break rules -- including potential lifetime bans.

"Currently, the rewards for violating the rules far outweigh the risks," Rice said."

Call this the Coach Cal rule when it is implemented!

This is so overdue its not even laughable anymore. The penalties for cheating in the NCAA do not even equate to a mosquito bite for the program or coaches. Meanwhile the rewards for cheating (even if getting caught) are making it so that you're not even able to stay competitive if you don't cheat

 

[Russ Wood]

From the ESPN article:

"Most noticeably, the commission recommends stiffer penalties for coaches that knowingly break rules -- including potential lifetime bans.

"Currently, the rewards for violating the rules far outweigh the risks," Rice said."

Call this the Coach Cal rule when it is implemented!

Why? When did the NCAA ever state that Coach Cal violated a rule? It would be much more accurate to call it the Larry Brown rule since he was penalized for breaking rules at Kansas, UCLA and SMU

 

[MGSA99]

This is so overdue its not even laughable anymore. The penalties for cheating in the NCAA do not even equate to a mosquito bite for the program or coaches. Meanwhile the rewards for cheating (even if getting caught) are making it so that you're not even able to stay competitive if you don't cheat

If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.

 

[RUBigFrank]

Not really it isn't------big X factor is the Foreign players .

The only people who really know about them are the scouts and the GM's-----and every year the quality of their play and their readiness to play in the NBA increases.

Yes it does - it even reduces the number of slots in the draft that NCAA players who will or can be drafted

 

[TDIrish27]

Correct

The other big change in recent years when it comes to draftees is guaranteed money.

Until recently the only guys getting it were 1st Rounders----believe the lowest # 1 was guaranteed just over 3 million for 3 years.

Now I'm told Top 50 guys are getting guaranteed money.

Not like the Top 20 guys but was told a High 2nd Rd pick will get a 2 year deal for 1.5 with up to 1 million of it guaranteed.

They spend most of their time in the G league but so do half of the 1st Round guys.

Not a ton but it isn't chump change.

 

[soundcrib]

Two things I took away from reading the detailed report is :

1) Only 34% of grad transfers actually end up obtaining the grad degree. So they called that process out for being non-academic reasons and hence against the spirit of the grad transfer rule. Recommended to do something about that

2) They suggested that players could enter the draft and if go undrafted, could return to school. What stops a player like Corey then from entering the draft every season ? Makes it really difficult to manage scholarships in that case. But I would support this rule as it favors the player and their future more-so than the school.

Also what happens to a player’s amateurism when the agent buys them a new car, chain, and apartment but still goes undrafted?

 

[NBKnight]

Also what happens to a player’s amateurism when the agent buys them a new car, chain, and apartment but still goes undrafted?

Without reading the report or even the article. As it is the case now, if you sign with an agent, you can't go back.

 

[RURM85]

After taking media criticism, today Rice clarifies her position and supports athletes being paid for their name, image and likeness once the courts legal proceedings are complete.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...-incomprehensible-condoleezza-rice/596549002/

I just don't know how I feel about this issue. I do believe football and basketball recruiting will become more inequitable if players are paid for NIL compared to the current environment. I would think a player is much more likely to sign with a school that has a large fan base, sells more jerseys and has boosters that have the ability to endorse needed to use the larger fanbase to create a larger revenue opportunity.

 

[SJScarlet]

After taking media criticism, today Rice clarifies her position and supports athletes being paid for their name, image and likeness once the courts legal proceedings are complete.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...-incomprehensible-condoleezza-rice/596549002/

I just don't know how I feel about this issue. I do believe football and basketball recruiting will become more inequitable if players are paid for NIL compared to the current environment. I would think a player is much more likely to sign with a school that has a large fan base, sells more jerseys and has boosters that have the ability to endorse needed to use the larger fanbase to create a larger revenue opportunity.

The whole concept is ridiculous and the people who support it are naive and/or disingenuous.

 

[Russ Wood]

I would think a player is much more likely to sign with a school that has a large fan base, sells more jerseys and has boosters that have the ability to endorse needed to use the larger fanbase to create a larger revenue opportunity.

In other words, the really good players would continue to sign with the schools that they are already signing with under the current system.

 

[RURM85]

In other words, the really good players would continue to sign with the schools that they are already signing with under the current system.

If I were a borderline player I would still have a preference for the larger fanbases and more importantly the schools that sell the most apparel with hopes that I could profit. Those would be the only criteria and i would go down the list as those classes fill up. In today's world there are exceptions based on other criteria

 

[Russ Wood]

If I were a borderline player I would still have a preference for the larger fanbases and more importantly the schools that sell the most apparel with hopes that I could profit. Those would be the only criteria and i would go down the list as those classes fill up. In today's world there are exceptions based on other criteria

Of course. And maybe a borderline player or two has a really good freshman season and his jersey or poster sells. Most fans will buy a jersey with the star player.

Of course, this whole thing sets up nicely for a Title IX challenge where schools will be forced to market jerseys and posters of players on women's sports.

 

[SJScarlet]

If I were a borderline player I would still have a preference for the larger fanbases and more importantly the schools that sell the most apparel with hopes that I could profit. Those would be the only criteria and i would go down the list as those classes fill up. In today's world there are exceptions based on other criteria

The implications are too many to count. There is no feasible way to police Jimmy's Cadillac dealership in Tuscaloosa Alabama choosing to host an autograph signing for an incoming freshman 5-star, planned in advance during his recruitment, with lots of boosters with big wallets planning to show up.